any other S75 owners as ticked as I am?

Ulysses · Jun 7, 2001

René said:
I had NO IDEA that Fine jpegs would look like Basic ones! I
expected the same smooth image quality as the S70.

You have some valid questions. But you are just about the only poster I've seen that makes this claim about JPEG compression. I don't think many of the others know what to say about that one.

Member said:
I may have a defective camera for other reasons (focus problems)
but I truly don't think these artifacts are going to go away with
any S75. But I'm looking at a return anyway, and spending the
summer without a camera.

All I can say is that I'm really sorry about the trouble you've had with the S75 both before as well as after your experience with it. Whether it is a defective camera or not may well be beside the point for you personally now, especially if you've become this sour about your "Sony experience". I can only hope that your next camera is much more satisfying and happifying than your last.

At the same time, it's going to help to know that no matter what camera you end up with, it will be rare to find that everyone sees the same problems or virtues in the images that you do. But as long as you are getting the results that you personally want to see, all the comparisons and debates are really moot.

Have a cup of chai --- on me!! And please let us know if things turn out better for you.

Peter S. · Jun 7, 2001

Why all this angst about the arrival of the S85? It simply is not a substantive improvement over the S75. I never read of anyone complaining that the S75 having an insufficient number of pixels in its sensor. The S85 does not rectify the major shortcomings observed in the S75, such as excessive noise and CA, slow autofocusing, inadequate number of white balance options, inadequate zoom range, and inadequate number of scene modes. Hopefully, the S95 will address all these problems and give us a camera with substantial improvements. At which point the S85 owners will be crying in their milk because they did not wait the extra 3 months to buy the S95!

John Burns · Jun 7, 2001

You are a bit confused here. Osborne went out of business for doing what most of the posters here are complaining Sony did not do. Osborne announced his new model over a year before it was to be ready. Sales of his current model dropped so drastically that the company went under before the new model could be brought to market.

John

Alan Hartmann said:
Companies have gone out of business for this reason -- ask Adam
Osborne. (Remember him?)

Alan

Jack O'Neill · Jun 7, 2001

Exactly!!

Jack

Peter S. said:
Why all this angst about the arrival of the S85? It simply is not
a substantive improvement over the S75. I never read of anyone
complaining that the S75 having an insufficient number of pixels in
its sensor. The S85 does not rectify the major shortcomings
observed in the S75, such as excessive noise and CA, slow
autofocusing, inadequate number of white balance options,
inadequate zoom range, and inadequate number of scene modes.
Hopefully, the S95 will address all these problems and give us a
camera with substantial improvements. At which point the S85 owners
will be crying in their milk because they did not wait the extra 3
months to buy the S95!

papa · Jun 7, 2001

Ulysses said:
And maybe you should ask your PC manufacturer to let you trade in
your PC for their new model that they announce a few months later.
Or your printer, or your scanner, or your....

heh, heh if only I could!! (mine is celeron 433, 256ram!) Give me a break! I'm only letting out stream!

Even Sony offers it today for free I will not exchange it!

To me, Sony release their latest on their DSC-SXX line doesn't add up in my books. From a S75 owner point of view, besides timing, the S85's file size is going to take toll on todays memory sticks. Many people owned a 64 or 128 stick(s) are already complaining not enough space on their 3.3 mp let alone a 4.1. I think they should release it on CD300 (or should it be CD400?) With CD300's $900 price tag, it (for the sake of arguments) basically a S70(w more noise) added a CD burner. Mini CDs are Sony's largest stroage media for consumer dc's, and it just makes more sense (for consumers sake) to do an upgrade on this line than the SXX.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292560361

hud · Jun 7, 2001

gel said:
I guess some S75 owners feels they have been spit in the face
because I don't think there is a DC out there that only last 3
months and a "successor" will sold along side. Add the same look
and same/added features, Sony does make S75 owners seem stupid to
purchase the S75. Finally with the $100 difference, it's
understandable some S75 owners are pissed.

these are exactly the points that I'm upset about: a successor so soon, Sony does make me seem stupid, and it is only $100 difference.

papa said:
If I know for sure Sony is coming out a S85 when I brought the S75,
I will strongly consider about the S85 with only $100 more.

EXACTLY!!! I should have had the right to know about BOTH of these models if they were coming out so close to one another, so I could decide for myself which I would prefer. But instead, I feel almost as if I've been suckered by Sony.

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

Ulysses said:
And maybe you should ask your PC manufacturer to let you trade in
your PC for their new model that they announce a few months later.

A few months, that's what I expected. But 3 weeks I did not. Dust has not even begun to build up on the S75 boxes on store shelves yet, and they're already 'old'.

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

Microdrive said:
It seems like a common practice to release them in tandem with the
MP as the main difference. Consider these releases:

Sony P30 / P50
Sony CD200 / CD300
Sony S75 / S85 ?

YES!!! Were not the P30 and P50 announced at exactly the same time? And the CD200 and CD300, they were also announced at exactly the same time as one another. People who wanted these cameras had their options laid out plainy before them. They could make their own decision: less money/less features, or more money/more features.

That's where I feel slighted. I was not given the same opportunity to make a similar buying decision between the S75 and S85.

photogenic said:
Perhaps Sony has intended to release them both together. But
seeing everyone is so enthusiastic about it, they've decided to
cash in and accepted early orders for the S75. Could this explain
the delays that I remebered a while back?

just a theory

Yes, this is what I wonder too. And it should be illegal.

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

stoodman said:
You can't win against these big companies.

That's the part that bothers me the most.

-hud

Michael · Jun 7, 2001

And what would your feelings or concerns have been in three months? Would you be immediately unhappy with a purchase that you were just VERY happy about? You'd be best served by shutting down your computer and going out and taking some pics.

M

hud said:
Ulysses said:

And maybe you should ask your PC manufacturer to let you trade in
your PC for their new model that they announce a few months later.

Click to expand...

A few months, that's what I expected. But 3 weeks I did not. Dust
has not even begun to build up on the S75 boxes on store shelves
yet, and they're already 'old'.

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

Ulysses said:
Microdrive makes a decent point here.

The S75 and the S85 are complementary. One does not replace the
other. The timing may seem odd to those who were so excited about
their S75 purchase, but I would expect that just as there is a
group who are interested in the P30 or the CD200 versus the P50 or
the CD300, there are those who will prefer the S75 versus the S85.
Features and money are factors here. Differentiation.

Yes Ulysses! This is exactly it! Exactly my point! Complementary...features...money... all good things to consider. But, unfortunately, I was not afforded the right to consider such things between the S75 and S85, because Sony kept the S85 secret from us.

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

DUPNEU said:
Hud,

Are you a "fashion victim" or what?

I guess so.

DUPNEU46530 said:
Why do you always want to have the latest camera?

It's just that when I wait and wait for the latest item to come out, and I shell out a couple hundred dollars for it, it would be nice to be able to enjoy having the latest and greatest for at least a couple of months, that's all.

DUPNEU46530 said:
Do you think it makes you look better? Cooler? Smarter

Isn't that what the F505 owners all think about their cameras? ;-)

DUPNEU46530 said:
Just enjoy what you have now... and take pictures, that's what's
important.

I plan on it...with my old S75

-hud, loving his old S75

hud · Jun 7, 2001

Ulysses said:
You sound as idealistic as 'hud' here.

Yeah, he does, doesn't he? I'm so proud! It's good to know that there's still hope for at least someone in this forum! ;-)

-hud, who will probably never totally shake his idealism

Andreas P. · Jun 7, 2001

Hud,

I absolutely understand your point of view. I also would feel odd (and maybe fooled) if i had bought the S75 and after 4 weeks a kind of successor is announced.

But on the other hand you can see it in a positive way:

The differences between S75 and S85 are really marginal
The S75 is a good buy (price / benefit)

So go out and take some photos because you already have a cam into your hands.

Maybe you should see it in the way as you would invest in stocks. You never reach the climax of the chart when you sell a stock. Important
is that you are selling in the declining phase (weird example?)

Okay, this haven't been new facts, bit it is my opinion.

Regards,

Andreas

hud · Jun 7, 2001

Michael said:
And what would your feelings or concerns have been in three months?

Three months would have been kind of soon for the announcement of a direct successor to the S75. But I probably could have dealt with it. But 3 weeks is just waaay too soon.

Member said:
Would you be immediately unhappy with a purchase that you were just
VERY happy about?

Probably not as unhappy as I am now. As I keep re-stating, 3 weeks is just waaaaay too soon.

Member said:
You'd be best served by shutting down your
computer and going out and taking some pics.

You're probably right. Going outside, enjoying the beautiful day here in PA, the fresh air, warm sunshine, blue skies, and taking beatiful pictures with my good ol' S75. A good idea indeed.

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

Skippy said:
Dear Hud,
I must congratulate you on your amazing ability to hold back what
you really thought, and to not even use any really, really bad
words...not even spelt wrong

Thank you. I would have loved to say what was really on my mind, but as Ulysses thoughfully reminded me, that would have made me look really bad. Yeah, so I'm just stuck holding it all in, and taking medication for the stomach ulcers. ;-) (kidding about the stomach ulcers)

Member said:
You are a fine example of how one can hold in steam when the
pressure is on.......ummmmmmm you punched a hole in the wall yet?

Believe me, I would've loved to. Or to just break something. Like something glass. Does anyone find the sound of breaking glass to be a wonderful stress relief? Anyway, unfortunately, my house is not old enough to punch a hole in the wall without being upset for doing it. So, I continue to restrain myself.

Member said:
Yelling and screaming are good ...so I have been told

Again, I would have loved to do both, but it was like 2 AM, and my wife wouldn't have appreciated my doing that inside, and my neighbors wouldn't have appreciated me doing that outside.

Member said:
Well, I would be ticked off too, knowing there was something else
very close to being released, and unknown at the time.

exactly. it's the 'so close' part that bugs me the most.

Member said:
This is why I am quite prepared to wait till November before I
decide on what I am going to buy, because until then I don't really
need it, I just want it ..... I'm mastering patience (RUBBISH
I AM!!!!!!!!!) hehehe

LOL!

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

TurboTed said:
Hud,

Remind me, aren't you expecting a new child soon?

Yes, my wife is due June 18th. She is ready to go at any moment. ;-)

I think I know where you're going with this though: "if you waited for the S85, you wouldn't have had it in time". And yes, that is true. But, I could have at least weighed out that decision: do I want to wait for the S85 and settle for taking film pictures of my child for the first month or two, or do I want to go with the S75 and be able to take digital pics of my child right from the start?

I was not afforded the opportunity to make such a decision. That's my point of discontent.

-hud

hud · Jun 7, 2001

wow, T.L., quite a post! You make a lot of very good points here. And you're right, I just HAD to have my S75 ASAP. It just would've been nice to know about the S85 at the same time. Because like you said, I would've most likely been more than happy to shell out the extra $100 for it. (if I had the luxury of waiting for it)

But, I will continue to love my S75, and will continue to take lots and lots of pics with it.

-hud

Larry G43983 · Jun 7, 2001

Andreas P. said:
Hud,

I absolutely understand your point of view. I also would feel odd
(and maybe fooled) if i had bought the S75 and after 4 weeks a kind
of successor is announced.

But on the other hand you can see it in a positive way:

The differences between S75 and S85 are really marginal

The S75 is a good buy (price / benefit)

So go out and take some photos because you already have a cam into
your hands.

Maybe you should see it in the way as you would invest in stocks.
You never reach the climax of the chart when you sell a stock.
Important
is that you are selling in the declining phase (weird example?)

Okay, this haven't been new facts, bit it is my opinion.

Regards,

Andreas

The thing that would really pi** me off would be a dramatic price drop the week after I had paid full money. The product would be the same, but I would feel ripped off. When I bought an EOS 5, I couldnt care less that an EOS 3 followed it. The "5" did the job but didnt feel right so I regressed and bought back my elderly EOS600. I suppose digital cameras are diferent as they are part of a developing technology. And of course its easy for me to sit on the sidelines waiting to make up my mind... I get to gain while you take the pain!

Larry G43983 · Jun 7, 2001

Larry G said:
Andreas P. said:

Hud,

I absolutely understand your point of view. I also would feel odd
(and maybe fooled) if i had bought the S75 and after 4 weeks a kind
of successor is announced.

But on the other hand you can see it in a positive way:

The differences between S75 and S85 are really marginal

The S75 is a good buy (price / benefit)

So go out and take some photos because you already have a cam into
your hands.

Maybe you should see it in the way as you would invest in stocks.
You never reach the climax of the chart when you sell a stock.
Important
is that you are selling in the declining phase (weird example?)

Okay, this haven't been new facts, bit it is my opinion.

Regards,

Andreas

The thing that would really pi** me off would be a dramatic price drop the week after I had paid full money. The product would be the same, but I would feel ripped off. When I bought an EOS 5, I couldnt care less that an EOS 3 followed it. The "5" did the job but didnt feel right so I regressed and bought back my elderly EOS600. I suppose digital cameras are diferent as they are part of a developing technology. And of course its easy for me to sit on the sidelines waiting to make up my mind... I get to gain while you take the pain! LarryG

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