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jfan said:
alekas said:
jfan said:
The hatred you people are showing twds. America is appalling. Do
you know how many Americans gave their lives for you?
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For me? Really? Did I sent our troops to Iraq?
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Yes, for you. You, I suppose, would prefer that Saddam Hussein
were still in power.
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You know what? I don't care if Saddam is/was in power. At least American soldiers would not be killed everyday for the last 2 years.
jfan said:
You don't know where I've been or where I've lived (although I've
never been to "Easter Europe").
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Just usually pro-Bush people never visiting any country overseas (or even Canada) - it's my experience.
jfan said:
I've noticed you didn't mention
living in or even visiting the U.S. You're making assumptions
about my country and forming strong opinions on those assumptions.
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I live in USA for 3 years now (Seattle, NYC and Detroit). It's enough to make general assumtions and to compare USA with Canada and Russia/Ukraine.
jfan said:
My country is responsible for sacrificing many of it's citizens to
rescue Europe from a psychopathic, murderous dictator. No other
country has made the sacrifices that Americans have made to their
allies.
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Really? Read the history books (without label "Made in USA"). Not USA has won WWII - trust me on it. And at least I know no other country have lost so many lives as Russians did (you want to know the number? Don't be surprised - that's about 20,000,000 people - incomparable number with how many people USA lost).
jfan said:
jfan said:
I saw how people are protesting against Iraq war on the streets of
London last year...
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BFD
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I have no idea what's BFD
jfan said:
Just why do you think the US military is over there? Oil? No,
we're not trying to profit from the oil-for-food program like the
French and Russians did. I take it from your dissappointment in
our being over there now, that you were OK with that situation.
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Yes, right, America is in Iraq to push the "American way to democracy by force". Another question: do you really think January election in Iraq will be democratic? With tanks/foreign soldiers on the streets of Baghdad? :)

By the way - did you remember we are fighting mainly with AlQuada and terrorism? Is Saddam a terrorist? Was he a terrorist 10-20 years ago (when he was a friend of USA)?
jfan said:
jfan said:
Look - almost every country in the world were supporting US war in
Afghanistan. But Iraq is a little different story and I wish you
(and people like you) will understand it (don't be too late, do
repeat Vietnam).

Alex
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Viet Nam will never be repeated.
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Why are you so sure? Lets see in the next couple of years...
jfan said:
That's about as asinine as saying
Chechnya is another Afghanistan for you.
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Whatever... You cannot compare Chechnya (which is a part of Russia by the way and is ON Russian territory) with Iraq (is it somewhere close to Mexico or Canada?).
jfan said:
Before you spew your hatred, you should know that there are a lot
of good hearted, wonderful people in our country (even in the "red"
states) that wouldn't think twice about helping out anybody in the
world (and we have).
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I don't have a hatred (acctually I just learned this word, I never hear or used it before). But I am, as every Russian, know for sure - force must have a brain. It's even better to have good brain without a force... USA goverment thinks differently and some people (majority) support it. That's like in Germany 1930s.
jfan said:
We were attacked on our own soil and are
retaliating.
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By whom? By Iraq? Or by Saudi Arabia men? Oh yes, I forgot, Saudi's are our friend right now (exactly the way Iraq was just 10-20 years ago)...
jfan said:
We're not going to wait for the "OK" from anyone to
go after those who mean to do us or our allies harm.
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Yes, and we have enough force - so we don't need any brain power...
It will work for some time.

Alex

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http://www.pbase.com/alekas
 
Less
tapir said:
alekas said:
Just remember:
1. For every force there is another force with the same power or
even more (sooner or later)...
2. If force is brainless - you need much less force with brain to
defeat it.

For now - USA is a "brainless force" and time is ticking for us.
For US!

Alex
jk said:
because of hypocrate .. rude .. and condescending leftist communistic
supporters these dummycrats have..

these same hypocrats who whine and kvetch about bush who simply
wants to get rid of terrorism who will strike at anyone

these same hypocrats who adore hussein and hitler and otehr despots
cant stand a president who was elected by the majority of americans

these hypocrats where are they went jews were exterminated in ww2
where are they when millions of africans were recently slaughtered
in the mid 1990's ..(with the UN looking away)so on and so forth

(i encourage you to read this book called "the tower of babble"
its about the UN)

bottom line and you foreigners who have no clue about us americans
look at your own govts worry about them be4 you comment about mine

or we just may start organizing protest about your govys too(not
that it would matter)
tbone said:
http://members.rogers.com/flutesofthechi/

and boy did we ever get drunk! woot!
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--
beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain
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http://www.pbase.com/alekas
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http://www.pbase.com/klopus
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http://www.pbase.com/alekas
 
rhodanig said:
Right, Dave, here we go again. Shall we run this out to the end
when one or both of us gets too bored with it to respond? Been
here, done this, so many times I can guess what's coming next. Oh,
well, it's Christmas, so here's a present:
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Yawn.
rhodanig said:
Assumptions about you?
Hardly. I was simply responding to what you wrote:
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"All you
rhodanig said:
hippies make me sick." I "assume" only that you are someone who
would write such a comment in a public forum. You wrote it, so own
it.
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Own it? Did I try to back down from it?
rhodanig said:
If you're not a Bushite, then stop posting like one. Or at
least stop trolling.
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I don't even know what a Bushite is. Sorry. And I'm trolling here no more than you are. Or is it left = welcomed, right = troll?
rhodanig said:
Hypocrite?
The pot calling the kettle black? Moi? Nope, I don't think so.
You said something stupid and I called you on it. That's not
hypocritical.
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Hardly. I made a blanket statement to no particular person. Hippies make me sick. Hippies in this sense meaning people so far left they can't even find the center. Does that include you? Sure starting to sound like it...
rhodanig said:
What are facts?
Do you want to debate that one? Maybe you could start with facts
instead of name calling. Might give you more credibility.
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I couldn't say it any better myself.
rhodanig said:
Who's wearing the foil hat?
I'm not the one who's buying the neocon propaganda. Read the other
side with an open mind before you decide about foil hats. Also,
see above re: Facts.
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You obviously aren't reading very carefully. I don't buy the propaganda. I don't watch the news on TV. I don't read the paper. I get my news from alternative sources, like straight from the AP for example, and I make up my own mind. It always amuses me, though, how you lefties, hippies if you will, bash on Fox News (the only right-leaning news outlet I'm aware of) and the people who watch it like they are some sort of puppets. The other major news outlets are so far left its ridiculous, and they are everywhere.

FYI, I hear Reynolds makes the best foil for satellite mind control shielding.

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Dave
Iowa
 
Bo-ring...

...[click]

No, wait a minute...

...[unclick]

Here's a deal, Dave. Read any one of the following, then let's discuss via private email the information presented therein [no debate; no word-games; no sly put-downs; no name-calling]. If you'll do that, then you can present me with a similar right-wing list from which I will also choose one to read for further discussion.

Thomas Frank. "What's The Matter With Kansas"

David Brock. "The Republican Noise Machine: Right Wing Media and How it Corrupts Democracy"
Seymour M. Hersh. "Chain Of Command: The Road From 9/11 To Abu Ghraib"

Chalmbers Johnson. "The Sorrows of Empire : Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic"

Otherwise, it's click-time.
dwhockey said:
Yawn.
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Yawn
dwhockey said:
Own it? Did I try to back down from it?
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Yes
dwhockey said:
I don't even know what a Bushite is. Sorry. And I'm trolling here
no more than you are. Or is it left = welcomed, right = troll?
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See "Yes" above
dwhockey said:
Hardly. I made a blanket statement to no particular person.
Hippies make me sick. Hippies in this sense meaning people so far
left they can't even find the center. Does that include you? Sure
starting to sound like it...
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Yes
dwhockey said:
I couldn't say it any better myself.
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Huh?
dwhockey said:
You obviously aren't reading very carefully. I don't buy the
propaganda.
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Prove it
dwhockey said:
I don't watch the news on TV. I don't read the paper.
I get my news from alternative sources, like straight from the AP
for example, and I make up my own mind. It always amuses me,
though, how you lefties, hippies if you will, bash on Fox News (the
only right-leaning news outlet I'm aware of) and the people who
watch it like they are some sort of puppets. The other major news
outlets are so far left its ridiculous, and they are everywhere.
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See "David Brock" above
dwhockey said:
FYI, I hear Reynolds makes the best foil for satellite mind control
shielding.
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See "Yawn" above
 
It's a PUBLIC protest - how can the police be SPYING on you when you're in public?

Public discourse would be much better served if the more radical protesters could bash Starbucks' windows and not be held to account.

Those **** fascist cops! How dare they try to keep people from expressing themselves in an unlawful manner!
 
I assume in addition to that Chechen war, Yukos affair, Jirinovsky, corruption and the rest of brutal and lawless circus also scare you less than Bush. In your mind those mythical villains "Bush" (almost of Hitler proportions), "Neo Cons" and "Red Necks" also seem to dwarf American democracy, system of governement, rule of law, economic system, etc. - all that complicated tapestry that makes America. If so then you clearly don't belong here.
alekas said:
tapir said:
alekas said:
Just remember:
1. For every force there is another force with the same power or
even more (sooner or later)...
2. If force is brainless - you need much less force with brain to
defeat it.

For now - USA is a "brainless force" and time is ticking for us.
For US!

Alex
jk said:
because of hypocrate .. rude .. and condescending leftist communistic
supporters these dummycrats have..

these same hypocrats who whine and kvetch about bush who simply
wants to get rid of terrorism who will strike at anyone

these same hypocrats who adore hussein and hitler and otehr despots
cant stand a president who was elected by the majority of americans

these hypocrats where are they went jews were exterminated in ww2
where are they when millions of africans were recently slaughtered
in the mid 1990's ..(with the UN looking away)so on and so forth

(i encourage you to read this book called "the tower of babble"
its about the UN)

bottom line and you foreigners who have no clue about us americans
look at your own govts worry about them be4 you comment about mine

or we just may start organizing protest about your govys too(not
that it would matter)
tbone said:
http://members.rogers.com/flutesofthechi/

and boy did we ever get drunk! woot!
Click to expand...
--
beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/alekas
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--
http://www.pbase.com/klopus
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--
http://www.pbase.com/alekas
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--
http://www.pbase.com/klopus
 
Rick Pali said:
jfan said:
The third pic in the top row tells me all I need to know.
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And the fourth one on the second row...
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And what's that? That you can see one person holding an obscene sign? If that's all you need to know, you have a very limited capacity for knowledge (surprise, surprise). Well, he must represent all Canadians, by jingo! You'd better bomb Ottawa right now. Send in the troops! Hell, there has to be at least one country you can beat, somewhere. You just haven't found one since 1941, that's all. Keep trying!
 
jfan said:
Do you speak German?

No? You're welcome.
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You're welcome? You pompous ass. What did you have to do with defending the Soviet Union during the war? They saved themselves, at the cost of over 20 million of their own lives. People like you are the reason that Americans are hated outside their own country. The vast majority don't deserve that hatred and are decent people. You are not.
 
jfan said:
You don't know where I've been or where I've lived (although I've
never been to "Easter Europe"). I've noticed you didn't mention
living in or even visiting the U.S. You're making assumptions
about my country and forming strong opinions on those assumptions.
My country is responsible for sacrificing many of it's citizens to
rescue Europe from a psychopathic, murderous dictator. No other
country has made the sacrifices that Americans have made to their
allies.
Click to expand...
Well, then you should be aware that the Russians took over 5 times as many casuaties in WW2 as did Americans.
jfan said:
Just why do you think the US military is over there? Oil? No,
we're not trying to profit from the oil-for-food program like the
French and Russians did. I take it from your dissappointment in
our being over there now, that you were OK with that situation.
Click to expand...
Yep:: Oil. Bush is in the Oil business, so is his VP, so is his Dad. Bush (W) ran several companies into the ground before becoming Governor of Texas and running it into the ground, before becomming President and running it from the most properous economic conditions in several centuries and ran US into the ground. He's got a track record for doing this--all you have to do is look.....
jfan said:
Viet Nam will never be repeated. That's about as asinine as saying
Chechnya is another Afghanistan for you.
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VietNam IS being repeated. You cannot pacify a country that simply WANTs a cival war. Iraq is realistically 3 different countries that (were it not for Sadam) would have been having this civil war for decades. Iraq was set up by the British after WW1 so that the British and American Oil intrests (Oil again) could prosper from the riches of this land (rather than the people of that land prospering).
jfan said:
Before you spew your hatred, you should know that there are a lot
of good hearted, wonderful people in our country (even in the "red"
states) that wouldn't think twice about helping out anybody in the
world (and we have).
We were attacked on our own soil and are
retaliating.
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We were NOT attacked by Iraq. We were attacked by OBL--funny since we turnd our attention to Iraq, we havent found the person who caused all of this trouble--almost like we didn't want to find him.....

Meanwhile, all the lies we told the world concerning the omniperil imposed on the world by Iraq has been shown to be blown way out of proportion by (drum roll) The FACTs.

The fact is, Bush wanted a war in Iraq to save his daddy's face. His daddy was smart enough not to overthrow Saddam. His son was not. Now thousands of troops have died, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have dies, we see this 'problem' continuing for at least 5 more years at an anual run rate of $300B/year.
jfan said:
We're not going to wait for the "OK" from anyone to
go after those who mean to do us or our allies harm.
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Does that mean that if some other country sees US as a threat that they have the right and responcibility to reciprocate?

--
Mitch
 
DavidHarris said:
DavidHarris said:
And the fourth one on the second row...
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And what's that? That you can see one person holding an obscene
sign?
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He wasn't the only one...and the means by which the sign is 'obscene' is significant as well. As soon as Nazis or Hitler are drawn into a discussion, the discussion is over in my mind. I've always found that if someone has a point, they can state it without needing to refer to Nazis...and if they're so excitable to need to drag Nazis into it, there's not going to be a discussion, regardless.
DavidHarris said:
You'd better bomb Ottawa right now.
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Me? I've got no bombs. Even if I did I wouldn't go bombing my own city. I suspect my insurance premiums would go through the roof.
 
MitchAlsup said:
jfan said:
You don't know where I've been or where I've lived (although I've
never been to "Easter Europe"). I've noticed you didn't mention
living in or even visiting the U.S. You're making assumptions
about my country and forming strong opinions on those assumptions.
My country is responsible for sacrificing many of it's citizens to
rescue Europe from a psychopathic, murderous dictator. No other
country has made the sacrifices that Americans have made to their
allies.
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Well, then you should be aware that the Russians took over 5 times
as many casuaties in WW2 as did Americans.
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...and they were defending their own country. Americans were overseas rescuing the Europeans. Let's compare apples to apples.
MitchAlsup said:
MitchAlsup said:
Just why do you think the US military is over there? Oil? No,
we're not trying to profit from the oil-for-food program like the
French and Russians did. I take it from your dissappointment in
our being over there now, that you were OK with that situation.
Click to expand...
Yep:: Oil. Bush is in the Oil business, so is his VP, so is his
Dad. Bush (W) ran several companies into the ground before becoming
Governor of Texas and running it into the ground, before becomming
President and running it from the most properous economic
conditions in several centuries and ran US into the ground. He's
got a track record for doing this--all you have to do is look.....
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And that's your proof we're over there for the oil? LOL!
MitchAlsup said:
MitchAlsup said:
Viet Nam will never be repeated. That's about as asinine as saying
Chechnya is another Afghanistan for you.
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VietNam IS being repeated. You cannot pacify a country that simply
WANTs a cival war. Iraq is realistically 3 different countries that
(were it not for Sadam) would have been having this civil war for
decades. Iraq was set up by the British after WW1 so that the
British and American Oil intrests (Oil again) could prosper from
the riches of this land (rather than the people of that land
prospering).
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We're not there to "pacify" anyone, nor are we there to steal their riches. We're there to fight terrorists.
MitchAlsup said:
MitchAlsup said:
Before you spew your hatred, you should know that there are a lot
of good hearted, wonderful people in our country (even in the "red"
states) that wouldn't think twice about helping out anybody in the
world (and we have).
We were attacked on our own soil and are
retaliating.
Click to expand...
We were NOT attacked by Iraq. We were attacked by OBL--funny since
we turnd our attention to Iraq, we havent found the person who
caused all of this trouble--almost like we didn't want to find
him.....
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Yeah, we didn't want to find hem. You're hilarious.
MitchAlsup said:
Meanwhile, all the lies we told the world concerning the omniperil
imposed on the world by Iraq has been shown to be blown way out of
proportion by (drum roll) The FACTs.

The fact is, Bush wanted a war in Iraq to save his daddy's face.
His daddy was smart enough not to overthrow Saddam. His son was
not. Now thousands of troops have died, hundreds of thousands of
Iraqis have dies, we see this 'problem' continuing for at least 5
more years at an anual run rate of $300B/year.
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Don't tell me you also think we were better off with Hussein in charge.
MitchAlsup said:
MitchAlsup said:
We're not going to wait for the "OK" from anyone to
go after those who mean to do us or our allies harm.
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Does that mean that if some other country sees US as a threat that
they have the right and responcibility to reciprocate?
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They already have. Do you think we should wait for an OK from the UN Security council?
MitchAlsup said:
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Mitch
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DavidHarris said:
DavidHarris said:
DavidHarris said:
BFD
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I have no idea what's BFD
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Alex, it stands for "big f*c*ing deal" (you'll have to fill in the
blanks). It was jfan's clever way of getting around the forum
rules. You probably can't expect better from someone who gets his
news from Fox and his culture from Jerry Springer and Survivor.
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I watch Fox news, but not Jerry Springer. He's a democrat. LOL! I also don't watch any of the reality TV shows.
 
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