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The image is very washed out on the web compared to actual printing and or on my Mac. Don't know why. Can anyone out there tell me?

Janice
Janice Legler said:
We have just moved to Utah. Last week I was sitting in my home
office, and just couldn't believe the view. This was taken through
my window! Enjoy.



Janice

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It doesn't look washed out to me. I am viewing this on a Mac. Of course I don't know what the original looks like.

Jay
Janice Legler said:
Janice
Janice Legler said:
We have just moved to Utah. Last week I was sitting in my home
office, and just couldn't believe the view. This was taken through
my window! Enjoy.



Janice

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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
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Jay
 
Hi Jay,

The posted photo has about two-thirds of the color vibrancy that the original has on my Mac. I am also viewing on Mac--both photos side-by-side. I changed it to a sRBG in both cases. Don't know why the difference.

Janice
James de Moye said:
Jay
Janice Legler said:
Janice
Janice Legler said:
We have just moved to Utah. Last week I was sitting in my home
office, and just couldn't believe the view. This was taken through
my window! Enjoy.



Janice

--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
Click to expand...
--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
Click to expand...
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Jay
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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
 
Looks pretty darned vibrant to me. . .beautiful shot.
Janice Legler said:
Hi Jay,

The posted photo has about two-thirds of the color vibrancy that
the original has on my Mac. I am also viewing on Mac--both photos
side-by-side. I changed it to a sRBG in both cases. Don't know
why the difference.

Janice
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Thanks. It was a beautiful view! I can tell that I am not going to get much work done at sunset!

Janice
bigconig said:
Janice Legler said:
Hi Jay,

The posted photo has about two-thirds of the color vibrancy that
the original has on my Mac. I am also viewing on Mac--both photos
side-by-side. I changed it to a sRBG in both cases. Don't know
why the difference.

Janice
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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
 
First of all, your pic looks great on my windows monitor. Very nice shot. I had this problem. If you shoot in aRGB and save your image as aRGB instead of converting to sRGB before saving or post processing [I'm using Photoshop], then the image will look flat on the web. I think the web only supports sRGB. I shoot aRGB, but the image is converted to sRGB in PS before the image is open.

If I'm incorrect with this, please, someone correct me.

Just a thought, MAC may do things different.

Mark
Janice Legler said:
Janice
Janice Legler said:
We have just moved to Utah. Last week I was sitting in my home
office, and just couldn't believe the view. This was taken through
my window! Enjoy.



Janice

--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
Click to expand...
--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
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Hi!
 
MTT said:
First of all, your pic looks great on my windows monitor. Very nice
shot. I had this problem. If you shoot in aRGB and save your image
as aRGB instead of converting to sRGB before saving or post
processing [I'm using Photoshop], then the image will look flat on
the web. I think the web only supports sRGB. I shoot aRGB, but the
image is converted to sRGB in PS before the image is open.

If I'm incorrect with this, please, someone correct me.

Just a thought, MAC may do things different.

Mark
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Perfectly correct. In fact I loaded sRGB Images into Photoshop, then switched to AdobeRGB Color mode (not converted - switched) and suddenly the colors were a lot more vibrant. But when I saved them for web they were flatter again - unless I did a profile conversion from aRGB to sRGB before saving.

So yes, that sounds like the issue here - some color profile went wrong along the way.

Excellent picture, in either case - beautifull world indeed.
 
Thanks. I shoot in aRGB. I postprocess in Nikon Capture, then open in Photoshop to size and do final sharpening and tweaking. Last thing I did was to convert it to sRGB for web. Since all of the stuff I do I keep in regular Adobe RGB, I don't convert it until the end if I am going to be posting to the web.

Janice
MTT said:
If I'm incorrect with this, please, someone correct me.

Just a thought, MAC may do things different.

Mark
Janice Legler said:
Janice
Janice Legler said:
We have just moved to Utah. Last week I was sitting in my home
office, and just couldn't believe the view. This was taken through
my window! Enjoy.



Janice

--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
Click to expand...
--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
Click to expand...
--



Hi!
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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
 
Thanks, Jeff. When you look at it by itself, it doesn't look washed out--only when comparing to the original.

Janice
jmtanes said:
Jeff
Janice Legler said:
We have just moved to Utah. Last week I was sitting in my home
office, and just couldn't believe the view. This was taken through
my window! Enjoy.



Janice

--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
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Jeff Tomasini

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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
 
...to the western US, where desert + clouds + sunset/sunrise = awesome photo ops!



The above is from Rock Hound State Park, Deming, NM. I live in Las Cruces (about a 1 hour drive east).

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Chris Newsom
Las Cruces, NM
(D-7-0, Kit, 60mm Mirco, 70-300mmD & CP-4-5-0-0)
 
I am viewing the image on a 17 inch Apple LCD which was recently calibrated to a gamma of 2.2. If you are using a monitor with a gamma of 1.8 then the image as viewed in, say Safari will look washed out. The reason is that this particular image does not contain an embedded icc profile. Such an image will be assigned your monitor profile by OSX/Safari.

So where did the profile go? If thereoriginally one (You did include a profile, didn't you?) and this particular version was scaled down by the pbase software then the EXIF information and any profile was stripped.

Does this help?

Bob Peters
Janice Legler said:
We have just moved to Utah. Last week I was sitting in my home
office, and just couldn't believe the view. This was taken through
my window! Enjoy.



Janice

--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
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Thanks, Chris. I LOVE the west! I grew up here, so this is coming home for me.

Great shot. Hope to get out to do some desert shots before too long. I'm not far from the Great Salt Lake. Haven't even taken time to drive down to see the shore! Hope to do it before too much longer. Somehow moving and unpacking has taken priority.... That, and preparing for the holidays.

Best,
Janice
cnewsom said:
...to the western US, where desert + clouds + sunset/sunrise =
awesome photo ops!



The above is from Rock Hound State Park, Deming, NM. I live in Las
Cruces (about a 1 hour drive east).

-------
Chris Newsom
Las Cruces, NM
(D-7-0, Kit, 60mm Mirco, 70-300mmD & CP-4-5-0-0)
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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
 
Hi Bob,

Thanks for taking the time to offer some thoughts.

I am viewing the image on my 15" Powerbook. I haven't calibrated my Powerbook since moving (roughly mid-November). Will do so in the next week or so. I generally do so once a month, or before processing a big batch--whichever comes first. I looked at it with both Safari and Internet Explorer. Didn't seem to be any difference (to my eye) in the color.
Robert Peters said:
I am viewing the image on a 17 inch Apple LCD which was recently
calibrated to a gamma of 2.2. If you are using a monitor with a
gamma of 1.8 then the image as viewed in, say Safari will
look washed out. The reason is that this particular image does not
contain an embedded icc profile. Such an image will be
assigned your monitor profile by OSX/Safari.
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Yes, I "converted to profile" in Photoshop, to the sRGB. It should have been embedded--right? Maybe this is what I am doing wrong? Has the EXIF information been stripped from the image on pBase? I thought it was there. At least it shows on pBase when I look.
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler/image/37737858&exif=Y

Is it there for you? Am I missing a way to embed the icc profile? I thought that "converting to profile" in Photoshop does that. Am I wrong? (I could very possibly be--again, lots of holes in my knowledge base here!)

I am not sure, really, what gamma my monitor is calibrated to. How do I find out? And what is the best gamma to use? I have the Eye-One, and have just done the automated as this is a portion of the workflow I don't really understand very well (all the gamma stuff). It seemed safest to go with the automatic setting.

I am using Safari to view the images. But even on pBase, it seems more vivid than it does in the earlier posting here on the forum. Maybe I am just seeing things??? (Could be, there have been way too many late nights unpacking household goods!)

Curious. Thanks for your thoughts.

Best,
Janice
Robert Peters said:
So where did the profile go? If there originally one (You did
include a profile, didn't you?) and this particular version was
scaled down by the pbase software then the EXIF information and any
profile was stripped.

Does this help?

Bob Peters
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--
Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
 
Janice Legler said:
Thanks for taking the time to offer some thoughts.

I am viewing the image on my 15" Powerbook. I haven't calibrated
my Powerbook since moving (roughly mid-November). Will do so in
the next week or so. I generally do so once a month, or before
processing a big batch--whichever comes first. I looked at it with
both Safari and Internet Explorer. Didn't seem to be any
difference (to my eye) in the color.
Robert Peters said:
I am viewing the image on a 17 inch Apple LCD which was recently
calibrated to a gamma of 2.2. If you are using a monitor with a
gamma of 1.8 then the image as viewed in, say Safari will
look washed out. The reason is that this particular image does not
contain an embedded icc profile. Such an image will be
assigned your monitor profile by OSX/Safari.
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Yes, I "converted to profile" in Photoshop, to the sRGB. It should
have been embedded--right? Maybe this is what I am doing wrong?
Has the EXIF information been stripped from the image on pBase? I
thought it was there. At least it shows on pBase when I look.
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler/image/37737858&exif=Y

Is it there for you? Am I missing a way to embed the icc profile?
I thought that "converting to profile" in Photoshop does that. Am
I wrong? (I could very possibly be--again, lots of holes in my
knowledge base here!)
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The EXIF information is there. However, your link leads to the 'large' size on pbase. Any size other that 'original' will have had the embedded profile stripped. Just to verify this I downloaded the 'large' and 'original' sizes and only the 'original' contained an sRGB profile.

NB: I think the resizing is performed by pbase when an image has at least one dimension greater than 800 pixels.
Janice Legler said:
I am not sure, really, what gamma my monitor is calibrated to. How
do I find out? And what is the best gamma to use? I have the
Eye-One, and have just done the automated as this is a portion of
the workflow I don't really understand very well (all the gamma
stuff). It seemed safest to go with the automatic setting.
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Use the 'Advanced" settings (I don't recall the exact wording) for the Eye-One ( I have one, too) and you can specify the target gamma. The default Macintosh profiles use a gamma of 1.8. I switched to 2.2 because I got tired of viewing a lot of images posted by Windows users who didn't embed a profile. By using a gamma of 2.2 a missing profile (assuming the image is in the sRGB color space) will look OK. Try the folowing: Download the 'large' and 'original' version of the image you posted and open them in Safari. There will look quite different if your monitor is calibrated to a gamma of 1.8 whereas they will look only slightly different if you are using a gamma of 2.2. You should also get a warning dialog from Photoshop when the untagged image (the 'large' size) is opened. If you don't get the warning dialog you should probably open the "Color Settings..." and make certain all the warning dialogs in the "Color Management Policies" are enabled.
Janice Legler said:
I am using Safari to view the images. But even on pBase, it seems
more vivid than it does in the earlier posting here on the forum.
Maybe I am just seeing things??? (Could be, there have been way
too many late nights unpacking household goods!)
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Always link to the 'original' size and there will be an embedded profile. Windows users don't see a difference because the Windows version of Internet Explorer does not perform color management.
Janice Legler said:
Curious. Thanks for your thoughts.

Best,
Janice
Janice Legler said:
So where did the profile go? If there originally one (You did
include a profile, didn't you?) and this particular version was
scaled down by the pbase software then the EXIF information and any
profile was stripped.

Does this help?

Bob Peters
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Have camera, will travel :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/janice_legler/
http://www.pbase.com/jwlegler
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Let us know if this helps.

And post some pictures of real mountains, please. My older son and his wife lived in Sandy for 2 years.

Bob Peters
 
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