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I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2 lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
 
I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens
for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the
same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same
price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2
lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
A 28-200mm lens is called "Having your cake and eating it too".

It doesn't work in photography, or at least, not yet with the limited lens technology we have.

But if you plan on walking around a lot and taking a lot of urban photography, You will need three lenses.

A normal zoom (24-70mm), a super wide or Fisheye (10-22), and a Telephoto or Telezoom lens(200 or 70-200).

But being realistic, if I had to choose one lens out of those 3 I just suggested.

I'd blow my 400 bux on a Sigma 24-60mm F2.8.

This new lens is made specifically for Digital SLRs. And i've compared its optical quality to a 24-70mm F2.8L by Canon, outperforms it in every range (except the 10mm that the sigma can't reach).

so basically for around 385 usd shipped, you'll have a 36-105mm lens, which I think is a great compromise, plus it has magnificent color grabbing ability as well as super sharpness.

-stan
 
There are such animals and I happen to have one I bought for my Maxxum SPxi 8 years ago. It's a Vivatar 28-300 and was highly rated then and touted and well proven for 35mm. I have yet to try it on my 7D. ( been sick, damn it.) One guy in this forum said it would not perform well on a 7D, I dunno yet. I paid about $315 at B&H. I am sure they are still available. Here is the Vivatar website on the lens. I would try eBay for a used one, you never know!

http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Lenses/lenspg1.html#Ser1-28-300AF
I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens
for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the
same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same
price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2
lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
A 28-200mm lens is called "Having your cake and eating it too".

It doesn't work in photography, or at least, not yet with the
limited lens technology we have.

But if you plan on walking around a lot and taking a lot of urban
photography, You will need three lenses.

A normal zoom (24-70mm), a super wide or Fisheye (10-22), and a
Telephoto or Telezoom lens(200 or 70-200).

But being realistic, if I had to choose one lens out of those 3 I
just suggested.

I'd blow my 400 bux on a Sigma 24-60mm F2.8.

This new lens is made specifically for Digital SLRs. And i've
compared its optical quality to a 24-70mm F2.8L by Canon,
outperforms it in every range (except the 10mm that the sigma can't
reach).

so basically for around 385 usd shipped, you'll have a 36-105mm
lens, which I think is a great compromise, plus it has magnificent
color grabbing ability as well as super sharpness.

-stan
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Shercando
 
How about Tamron AF 28-300 F3.5-6.3 XR Di? XR Di model is around $360 after rebate. For super zoom lens, I think Tamron 28-300 XR Di is the best choice in that price range.

The combination of Minolta 24-105 D and 100-300 APO D covers similar range. However, both lens combination will be over $500 (about $700?).
I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens
for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the
same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same
price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2
lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
 
Stan, live is full of compromises, as your own Digital Rebel purchase in an earlier post from you proves. If you are willing yourself, to accept such a compromise, why do you claim the statement below, which sounds quite absolute? I will try the Sigma 18-125 as soon as available for Minolta AF as a general purpose walkaround lense for the handy range 27 - 187 (on 7D). In the Canon lense froum, this lense has quite good feedback (better than some low cost Canon lenses). It is light, cheap and prevents me from collecting dust on the sensor under harsh conditions (desert, street shooting..). It will nearly gives me back the beloved A2 range but with lower noise and faster AF of 7D.
Fritz
A 28-200mm lens is called "Having your cake and eating it too".

It doesn't work in photography, or at least, not yet with the
limited lens technology we have.
 
It all depends upon what you are after with your photography. The more extreme the focal length, the longer the zoom range, the wider the focal length, the more compact the design, and the lower the cost, the greater the compromise in image quality and performance. I am sure you already know this.

For casual shooting, there are a number of options, Tamron 24-135, Sigma 18-125, Minolta 24-105, and Minolta 24-85--all which will do well if not shot at their extremes if image quality is a concern.

For more serious use: lenses of better caliber should be your first consideration.

The lenses that offer the best performance to cost ratio for walkaround zooms:

Minolta/Tamron 17-35/2.8-4 D
Minolta/Tamron 28-75/2.8 D

These IMHO are the best zoom lenses to use when image quality and cost are a concern.

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Vance Zachary
http://www.pbase.com/photoworkszach
http://www.photoworksbyzachary.com
 
Vance:

Continuing with your valuable list in the better performance category, what zoom lenses would you list that extend to the 300 territory?

I want two lenses, a zoom that is wide but not necessarily ultra wide, and one that is a telephoto.

Mark
It all depends upon what you are after with your photography. The
more extreme the focal length, the longer the zoom range, the wider
the focal length, the more compact the design, and the lower the
cost, the greater the compromise in image quality and performance.
I am sure you already know this.

For casual shooting, there are a number of options, Tamron 24-135,
Sigma 18-125, Minolta 24-105, and Minolta 24-85--all which will do
well if not shot at their extremes if image quality is a concern.

For more serious use: lenses of better caliber should be your first
consideration.

The lenses that offer the best performance to cost ratio for
walkaround zooms:

Minolta/Tamron 17-35/2.8-4 D
Minolta/Tamron 28-75/2.8 D

These IMHO are the best zoom lenses to use when image quality and
cost are a concern.

--
Vance Zachary
http://www.pbase.com/photoworkszach
http://www.photoworksbyzachary.com
 
Have you heard anything about

Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO Zoom Macro Super II Autocus Lens for Minolta Maxxum

?

Robert
It all depends upon what you are after with your photography. The
more extreme the focal length, the longer the zoom range, the wider
the focal length, the more compact the design, and the lower the
cost, the greater the compromise in image quality and performance.
I am sure you already know this.

For casual shooting, there are a number of options, Tamron 24-135,
Sigma 18-125, Minolta 24-105, and Minolta 24-85--all which will do
well if not shot at their extremes if image quality is a concern.

For more serious use: lenses of better caliber should be your first
consideration.

The lenses that offer the best performance to cost ratio for
walkaround zooms:

Minolta/Tamron 17-35/2.8-4 D
Minolta/Tamron 28-75/2.8 D

These IMHO are the best zoom lenses to use when image quality and
cost are a concern.

--
Vance Zachary
http://www.pbase.com/photoworkszach
http://www.photoworksbyzachary.com
 
Sorry I just don't understand.

The lenses will outlast the camera: the lenses I bought for my maxxum 7000 worked with my maxxum 5 and now my 7D. The good lenses are still good the poor ones are still poor .....but...the great ones (not cheap!) they make cameras really perform!

That's why, I think it makes more sense to pay as much or more for lenses as for the camera. You can always pick up a couple lenses to use while saving some of your money for later when you can spend your big bucks on the focal length you use the most.

Jeo
 
As everyone points out the bigger the zoom range the more compromises you get in image quality, size etc with your lenses.

If you want just one lens then the Sigma 18-125mm thats coming out will get you a useful range from wide-angle to telephoto (nearly 28-200mm in 35mm turns) and I think Tamron have one in a similar range coming? But I'm not sure.

If you want to break that down a little and spend more money and have more lenses but better quality than an all in one solution will give you then here are a few suggestions.

For wide-angle the Tamron or Minolta 17-35mm f2.8-4 will give you a good wide-to standard zoom (25-50mm in 35mm terms) - I have the Tamron version of this lens and its pretty good.

If wide-angle isn't important or to go along with the 17-35mm then consider either the Minolta 24-105mm f3.5-4.5 or Minolta 28-75mm f2.8. The 28-75mm is probably better quality optically but the 24-105mm has a more useful range - the extra 4mm at the wide-angle end is quite significant and it means that the zoom range starts at 36mm in 35mm equiv. rather than 42mm. I use the 24-105mm when I just want to carry one lens around with me all day though its range on a DSLR isn't as useful as it was on a 35mm SLR. The weaknesses of the 24-105mm are that there is distortion at the 24mm end which may make it less suitable for architectural subjects and its not so great wide open. It is however good quality for a relatively wide ranging zoom esp. when stopped down a little and is compact and well made. The 28-75mm is a bit better optically and gives you the constant f2.8 max aperture which is good for low light etc but you lose a little of the range. Either lens is good, its just a question of which is better for your uses.

At the telephoto lens you mentioned the Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 APO Macro - I saw a review which said it was the best telephoto zoom in its price range not long ago so for the price its a good option. If you want to spend more money the Minolta 100-300mm f4-5.6 (D) is a bit more expensive but better optically.

Its difficult to make recommendations for photography because once you start spending money there is no limit to how mcuh you can end up spending! I think most people just start with some el cheapo lens and then build up a more expensive lens collection as their interest grows and they want to overcome the limitations of their initial lens choices.
 
Great help.Thanks...from one "struggling academic" to another.

Mark
As everyone points out the bigger the zoom range the more
compromises you get in image quality, size etc with your lenses.

If you want just one lens then the Sigma 18-125mm thats coming out
will get you a useful range from wide-angle to telephoto (nearly
28-200mm in 35mm turns) and I think Tamron have one in a similar
range coming? But I'm not sure.

If you want to break that down a little and spend more money and
have more lenses but better quality than an all in one solution
will give you then here are a few suggestions.

For wide-angle the Tamron or Minolta 17-35mm f2.8-4 will give you a
good wide-to standard zoom (25-50mm in 35mm terms) - I have the
Tamron version of this lens and its pretty good.

If wide-angle isn't important or to go along with the 17-35mm then
consider either the Minolta 24-105mm f3.5-4.5 or Minolta 28-75mm
f2.8. The 28-75mm is probably better quality optically but the
24-105mm has a more useful range - the extra 4mm at the wide-angle
end is quite significant and it means that the zoom range starts at
36mm in 35mm equiv. rather than 42mm. I use the 24-105mm when I
just want to carry one lens around with me all day though its range
on a DSLR isn't as useful as it was on a 35mm SLR. The weaknesses
of the 24-105mm are that there is distortion at the 24mm end which
may make it less suitable for architectural subjects and its not so
great wide open. It is however good quality for a relatively wide
ranging zoom esp. when stopped down a little and is compact and
well made. The 28-75mm is a bit better optically and gives you the
constant f2.8 max aperture which is good for low light etc but you
lose a little of the range. Either lens is good, its just a
question of which is better for your uses.

At the telephoto lens you mentioned the Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 APO
Macro - I saw a review which said it was the best telephoto zoom in
its price range not long ago so for the price its a good option.
If you want to spend more money the Minolta 100-300mm f4-5.6 (D) is
a bit more expensive but better optically.

Its difficult to make recommendations for photography because once
you start spending money there is no limit to how mcuh you can end
up spending! I think most people just start with some el cheapo
lens and then build up a more expensive lens collection as their
interest grows and they want to overcome the limitations of their
initial lens choices.
 
At the telephoto lens you mentioned the Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 APO
Macro - I saw a review which said it was the best telephoto zoom in
its price range not long ago so for the price its a good option.
If you want to spend more money the Minolta 100-300mm f4-5.6 (D) is
a bit more expensive but better optically.
Its difficult to make recommendations for photography because once
you start spending money there is no limit to how mcuh you can end
up spending! I think most people just start with some el cheapo
lens and then build up a more expensive lens collection as their
interest grows and they want to overcome the limitations of their
initial lens choices.
I owned the Sigma 70-300 f4-5.6 APO Macro (version 1) years back. Optically, it indeed is as good as it gets in that price range, but mechanically it is (or in my case: was) a hopeless piece of junk. After about 2 years, AF and zoom became increasingly difficult (ever increasing mechanical resistance), rendering it practically useless.

My advice: steer clear of it, and get a second hand lens. I was fortunate enough to soon find a 200/2.8 G in like new condition, for not that much more than a new Sigma 70-300. Needless to say, it's quite a dramatic improvement in AF performance, optical and build quality.

BTW the Sigma has dropped in price dramaticly since then, and apart from that: it may be impossible to find a good G in the current market.
 
...

That's my carry around lens, it covers an excelent range ( 36-202 mm equiv ), costs around US$360.00 and is optically excellent and robust!

... Lucas
I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens
for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the
same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same
price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2
lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
--

KM Maxxum 7D, Tokina 17/f3.5, Tamron 24-135/f3.5-5.6, KM 100-300/f4.5-5.6 APO(D), KM 50/f1.7, Sigma 50/f2.8 macro, KM A1
 
Hi,

Minolta 100-300/4.5-5.6 APO is the obvious answer - compact, fast focussing, very sharp, sharpest in the long end. All this is also true for the somewhat rare Minolta 70-210/3.5-4.5. The 70-210/4 is also very sharp, but heavy. Sharpest in the short end. The minolta 75-300 is a kit lens. There is also a minolta 100-400 which is considered sharp, but big and heavy.

BTW, I have a Sigma 75-300 APO/4.5-5.6. It is very convenient to work with, very sharp in the short end, sharp up to 200mm but soft above that. It does not work with Dynax/Maxxum 7, I have no info whether it works with D7D, but it might do - there are other examples of that.

IN the short end - 24-85 as well as 24-105 are very sharp but distortive at the short end. The oldish 24-50 is reported tack sharp and distortion free, and also very compact. The same holds for the 35-70/4 as well as the 35-70/3.5-4.5, these can be had for almost no money since they are very common.

My favorite combo would be two minoltas, a 24-105 and a 100-300. (Myself, I often prefer the faster 80-200/2.8 on my filmbased cameras, but with AS, speed should be less important.)
Regards/ake
Vance:

Continuing with your valuable list in the better performance
category, what zoom lenses would you list that extend to the 300
territory?

I want two lenses, a zoom that is wide but not necessarily ultra
wide, and one that is a telephoto.

Mark
 
I have been researching lenses myself, looking for a good all in one, as well as a decent low light lense. So, with no practical experience but way too many hours spent online reading feedback, I'll add what I had found.

Super Zoom, the Tokina 24-200 and Tamron 28-300 seem to get the best feedback. The Tokina is cheaper ($260ish vs. $360ish), heavier, and has a higher percentage of positive feedback, but significantly less reviews.

Adding a low light lens, the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 and Sigma 24-60 f/2.8 get the best reviews, the Tokina 28-70 f/2.8 gets decent reviews, and once again is $100 cheaper if you are on a budget.

The Tamron 24-135 gets great reviews, as well. What I was looking for was a two lens system that covered 24-200 and one lense that was good in low light. The Sigma 24-60 f/2.8 and one of the decent 70-300 lenses would also have accomplished that.
... Lucas
I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens
for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the
same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same
price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2
lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
--
KM Maxxum 7D, Tokina 17/f3.5, Tamron 24-135/f3.5-5.6, KM
100-300/f4.5-5.6 APO(D), KM 50/f1.7, Sigma 50/f2.8 macro, KM A1
 
18-125mm Sigma f/3.5-5.6 DC, absolutely amazing for a so called cheap lense. My 20D feels like a larger version of my long gone Minolta A1(28-200). Sharp at both ends, reasonably fast f/3.5-5.6. The AF is quick but a little noisy. Go try this in store if its available for the 7D and you will be surprised. I have convinved quite a few of my hardcore Canon loyal L glass snobby friends that this is fine value for just little money...
Super Zoom, the Tokina 24-200 and Tamron 28-300 seem to get the
best feedback. The Tokina is cheaper ($260ish vs. $360ish),
heavier, and has a higher percentage of positive feedback, but
significantly less reviews.

Adding a low light lens, the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 and Sigma 24-60
f/2.8 get the best reviews, the Tokina 28-70 f/2.8 gets decent
reviews, and once again is $100 cheaper if you are on a budget.

The Tamron 24-135 gets great reviews, as well. What I was looking
for was a two lens system that covered 24-200 and one lense that
was good in low light. The Sigma 24-60 f/2.8 and one of the decent
70-300 lenses would also have accomplished that.
... Lucas
I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens
for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the
same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same
price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2
lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
--
KM Maxxum 7D, Tokina 17/f3.5, Tamron 24-135/f3.5-5.6, KM
100-300/f4.5-5.6 APO(D), KM 50/f1.7, Sigma 50/f2.8 macro, KM A1
 
Does anyone had a opportunity to test the new KM 18-200 D lens ? It is a little more expensive than 18-200 Sigma or Tamron lens.

I currently have Sigma 28-200, but it is not wide enough so i am planning to get the KM 18-200

--
Jussi
 
Dgitial Rebel isn't a compromise, it's a perfectly capable camera.

The SIgma 18-125 is a decent enough lens. It will never set the world afire, as it is at the beudget end of the lens market. However, it has good range, and 18 is the longest you want to be at the wide end for a APSC DSLR. It focus's very slow however. The lens gearing is such that 11 turns of the motor are required fro infinity to min focus distance, as apposed to 4 for the 70-200 EX APO DG. Why do they do that??

Cheers!
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Craig A Clark
Ark VFX LTD ~ Lydgate Lane ~ Sheffield ~ UK
http://www.arkvfx.net/
http://www.f-nine.co.uk/
http://www.pbase.com/caclark/
 
I want zoomlens for Maxxum 7d, perhaps from 28 - 200 - what lens
for about 400$ do you recommend? or... what 2 lenses that cover the
same area (or maybe up to 300) do you recommend for about the same
price (total) (or perhaps i'd let it cost at most 500$ for 2
lenses).

Thanx in advance!

Robert
 

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