I feel the S75 is becoming a big dissapointment

Ulysses said:

Royor -

I can only say that I feel sorry for the Europeans. I like the
scenery, but I wouldn't want to buy my consumer products there!

Bahahahahahahahahahahah!!©

You guys need a serious return policy.

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itsikg said:

Member said:

Did you take a look at the red flower on my homepage?
I think there is no problem with the red colour.

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It less obvious when doing macros because you have a different
prespective.

Take a look at this picture:

Look closely at the red flowers on the bottom. Does it look like
natural colors ?

BTW - Look at the gloved hands of the left bush to see a good (bad)
example of CA.

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Canuckyopteryx said:

Actually, I think the "right of return" is rather abused. When I go
to a large electronics store and see entire shelves of various
products, where ALL of the boxes are marked "returned" it makes me
realize that our costs are higher because of the test drive
syndrome. When I saw comments a few weeks ago along the lines of "I
will buy something else to use until the S75 is available in my
local store, then return it within 30 days and get the S75" it
irritates me somewhat.

Yes, the store policies allow it, but...something is fishy about
this process. I am confident that these abuses will lead to the
tightening of return policies in the future.

DT

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George said:

I've looked at countless s75 pictures posted on this forum and
various websites. I've borrowed the camera from a friend and
tested it hands-on for a day. What this debate comes down to in my
opinion is picture quality. That should be the most important
factor in judging a camera- the ability to take quality pics in
given situations. I'm tired of hearing "well the s75 has more
features, it has a faster shutter, blah, blah, blah".

s75 images are noisier, exhibit more CA, and are just lower quality
than the s70 and other some competing 3 megapixel cameras.

that should be the basis of this argument, and hence the reason why
the s75 IS a dissapoinment- its pictures just don't measure up.

itsikg said:

Now, I know this post might be a little harsh, but I just had to
blow off some steam that was building for several long months ....

I bought the S70 back in February and used it for a month. It was
my first digicam and I had no previous experience in photography. I
was very happy with the image quality and the automatic settings
which produced great results.
One thing bothered me the most - the unbearble shatter lag. The
camera was so slow that it was very hard to shoot moving object
like kids or animals.

Then I stumbled into this site and read the S75 review. I was so
impressed by the professional tests and results that I decided to
sell my S70 and wait for the S75 that was due (as rumored) by the
end of March / start of April.

I figured that the S75 will include all the benefits and fix most
of the weaknesses of the S70. After all - the technology is already
there and has been used for over a year now.

Then Sony pushed the release date again and again and all this time
I was left camera-less, holding my breath and being patient.
During that time, I even considered buying the Canon G1 but after
reading some opinions I decided that I'm not going to spend 750$ on
a camera that will turn me into a Photoshop expert...

Finally the S75 hits the market and what happened ? Lower image
quality, noisy pictures, CA all over the place, overstaurated
colors and so on.
I already read some posts that suggest fixing the pictures using an
imaging software - I don't buy it, I don't think that I should sit
down and fix the faults of the camera for almost every picture I
take.

Now, I know that a lot will respond that it's possible to produce
great pictures when using the manual tuning and I know that an
experienced photographer could probably find the ways to go around
the problems.
But what about the rest of us ? What about those who simply want a
camera to take good pictures and not artistic creations ?

I think that many of the S75 users try to convince themselves that
it's not the camera - it's them. But let's face it - The S75 is
dissapointing. It's not what we expected and we should not just pay
the price and keep our mouth shut.

As for me, I have no idea what am I going to do now - maybe I'll
get an S70 ? Or should I wait for the S85 ?

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Ulysses said:

Alexei said:

Just like in stockmarket, those so-called "experts" get free stuff
from manufacturers.. Anyone of us could be an expert if we have
time to fiddle around with different cameras all day long. (and got
paid for it too!).

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Jeeeeeeeeeezzz!!! What are you saying ????

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Pondria said:

itsikg said:

Ever since the S75 reached the US market and people began posting
sample photos I spent my time examining closely every picture.
I'm not saying that all were bad, I saw some beautiful shots, but a
lot of the pictures displayed noise and oversaturated colors that
made them look unnatural.
I was very surprised to see that, so I started comparing them with
my S70 images. The S70's were great, at ISO 100 you couldn't detect
any noise, the pictures were sharpa and the colors were natural.

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Now, I'm really confused. After all the analysis ans comparisons,
you knew that S75 images were marginal. But you still bought it ?

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Carmel said:

Royor said:

Angela said:

Try it out, you can always return it if its not for you.

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Oh can I ? It always amazes me to see that Americans in general
think that what goes for them, goes for the rest of the world.

Over here (Europe) we don't have the option of "you can always
return it" because here, if you paid for it, it's yours to keep. Go
out the store and straight back in again and say that you changed
your mind, they're gonna tell you "sorry to hear that" and that's
it. You can try to sell it to someone else yourself (at half price)
and that's about it. We don't have the luxury of 30 day return
(with or without restocking fee). The moment we buy something, the
stores couldn't care less if we like it or not, it's sold, period.

Even if you come home with your purchase and find it broken (DOA),
the stores won't exchange it for another one, they just take it in
for repair and you can wait weeks to get it back. Why not even
exchange you wonder ? Because over here, everything with a warranty
has a card inside, and the stores fill in that card with your name
and address and the serial number of the appliance and
manufacturers or importers don't give out new empty warranty cards,
not even to storekeepers.

So for a lot of people here reading the forums, it's all we have to
go on to decide whether we buy or not and hope that we take the
right decision before spending our hard earned money, especially
since we always have to pay a lot more for it too.

Have a nice day,
Royor

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Royor

It always amazes me to see that Europeans speak for Europe...
You can return in the U.K.

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Carmel Palti said:

R E A L L Y...... where? LarryG (Wales)

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Frank C. said:

Peter Siciliano said:

itsikg said:

Now, I know this post might be a little harsh, but I just had to
blow off some steam that was building for several long months ....

I bought the S70 back in February and used it for a month. It was
my first digicam and I had no previous experience in photography. I
was very happy with the image quality and the automatic settings
which produced great results.
One thing bothered me the most - the unbearble shatter lag. The
camera was so slow that it was very hard to shoot moving object
like kids or animals.

Then I stumbled into this site and read the S75 review. I was so
impressed by the professional tests and results that I decided to
sell my S70 and wait for the S75 that was due (as rumored) by the
end of March / start of April.

I figured that the S75 will include all the benefits and fix most
of the weaknesses of the S70. After all - the technology is already
there and has been used for over a year now.

Then Sony pushed the release date again and again and all this time
I was left camera-less, holding my breath and being patient.
During that time, I even considered buying the Canon G1 but after
reading some opinions I decided that I'm not going to spend 750$ on
a camera that will turn me into a Photoshop expert...

Finally the S75 hits the market and what happened ? Lower image
quality, noisy pictures, CA all over the place, overstaurated
colors and so on.
I already read some posts that suggest fixing the pictures using an
imaging software - I don't buy it, I don't think that I should sit
down and fix the faults of the camera for almost every picture I
take.

Now, I know that a lot will respond that it's possible to produce
great pictures when using the manual tuning and I know that an
experienced photographer could probably find the ways to go around
the problems.
But what about the rest of us ? What about those who simply want a
camera to take good pictures and not artistic creations ?

I think that many of the S75 users try to convince themselves that
it's not the camera - it's them. But let's face it - The S75 is
dissapointing. It's not what we expected and we should not just pay
the price and keep our mouth shut.

As for me, I have no idea what am I going to do now - maybe I'll
get an S70 ? Or should I wait for the S85 ?

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Hello itsikg!

I too was considering the S75. Phil Askey takes very good pictures
that truly indicate the best possible quality that you can expect
from any digital camera out there. From what I've seen, the images
Phil posted for the S75 look considerably better than the ones he
posted for the S70.

Keep in mind that you have to look at how the images that you've
seen were shot. High ISO settings used on any digital cameras will
result in excessive noise in all but the most expensive digital
cameras. With respects to colour, the S70 was notorious for
producing some of the most way-out, overblown colour of any digital

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hehehe...."way-out, overblown colour"....hehehe. 8)) Did you ever
own or operate a S70, Peter?

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Member said:

Member said:

camera. Any improvements made to this effect on the S75 are just
that, improvements.

If you're looking for an easy to use digital camera that takes some
really good photographs, you might want to consider Sony's tiny but
capable P1. Since you used to own an S70, I can't imagine you
didn't play around with at least a few of its many features to get
the results that you wanted. There's no reason why you couldn't be
just as successful with the newere S75 after playing around with it
for awhile.

In the event that you opt against any Sony digital camera, you
might also consider the Nikon CoolPix 880. I hear it's got superb
metering, colour reproduction and boasts the lowest amount of
chromatic abberations of just about any digital camera in its class.

Best of luck!

Sincerely,

Peter Siciliano

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Ulysses said:

But I don't shop where I don't see a sufficient return policy. I'm
a responsible user, and as a business owner, I want other
businesses to succeed as long as they recognize that customer
relations and support is a two-way street. If I have a problem with
a product, I want their help, even if that means ultimately
returning the product.

Abuse of policies like these is what often a part of keeps the
prices of products we want and need higher than it ought to be.

Yes, I get as indignant as you do when it comes to flagrant
returns. I'm glad that my business is service oriented as opposed
to product oriented.

Canuckyopteryx said:

Actually, I think the "right of return" is rather abused. When I go
to a large electronics store and see entire shelves of various
products, where ALL of the boxes are marked "returned" it makes me
realize that our costs are higher because of the test drive
syndrome. When I saw comments a few weeks ago along the lines of "I
will buy something else to use until the S75 is available in my
local store, then return it within 30 days and get the S75" it
irritates me somewhat.

Yes, the store policies allow it, but...something is fishy about
this process. I am confident that these abuses will lead to the
tightening of return policies in the future.

DT

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itsikg said:

Pondria said:

itsikg said:

Ever since the S75 reached the US market and people began posting
sample photos I spent my time examining closely every picture.
I'm not saying that all were bad, I saw some beautiful shots, but a
lot of the pictures displayed noise and oversaturated colors that
made them look unnatural.
I was very surprised to see that, so I started comparing them with
my S70 images. The S70's were great, at ISO 100 you couldn't detect
any noise, the pictures were sharpa and the colors were natural.

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Now, I'm really confused. After all the analysis ans comparisons,
you knew that S75 images were marginal. But you still bought it ?

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No Pondria, I didn't buy it. I was going to until those pictures
started coming in.

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itsikg said:

Now, I know this post might be a little harsh, but I just had to
blow off some steam that was building for several long months ....

I bought the S70 back in February and used it for a month. It was
my first digicam and I had no previous experience in photography. I
was very happy with the image quality and the automatic settings
which produced great results.
One thing bothered me the most - the unbearble shatter lag. The
camera was so slow that it was very hard to shoot moving object
like kids or animals.

Then I stumbled into this site and read the S75 review. I was so
impressed by the professional tests and results that I decided to
sell my S70 and wait for the S75 that was due (as rumored) by the
end of March / start of April.

I figured that the S75 will include all the benefits and fix most
of the weaknesses of the S70. After all - the technology is already
there and has been used for over a year now.

Then Sony pushed the release date again and again and all this time
I was left camera-less, holding my breath and being patient.
During that time, I even considered buying the Canon G1 but after
reading some opinions I decided that I'm not going to spend 750$ on
a camera that will turn me into a Photoshop expert...

Finally the S75 hits the market and what happened ? Lower image
quality, noisy pictures, CA all over the place, overstaurated
colors and so on.
I already read some posts that suggest fixing the pictures using an
imaging software - I don't buy it, I don't think that I should sit
down and fix the faults of the camera for almost every picture I
take.

Now, I know that a lot will respond that it's possible to produce
great pictures when using the manual tuning and I know that an
experienced photographer could probably find the ways to go around
the problems.
But what about the rest of us ? What about those who simply want a
camera to take good pictures and not artistic creations ?

I think that many of the S75 users try to convince themselves that
it's not the camera - it's them. But let's face it - The S75 is
dissapointing. It's not what we expected and we should not just pay
the price and keep our mouth shut.

As for me, I have no idea what am I going to do now - maybe I'll
get an S70 ? Or should I wait for the S85 ?

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omaha said:

itsikg said:

Now, I know this post might be a little harsh, but I just had to
blow off some steam that was building for several long months ....

I bought the S70 back in February and used it for a month. It was
my first digicam and I had no previous experience in photography. I
was very happy with the image quality and the automatic settings
which produced great results.
One thing bothered me the most - the unbearble shatter lag. The
camera was so slow that it was very hard to shoot moving object
like kids or animals.

Then I stumbled into this site and read the S75 review. I was so
impressed by the professional tests and results that I decided to
sell my S70 and wait for the S75 that was due (as rumored) by the
end of March / start of April.

I figured that the S75 will include all the benefits and fix most
of the weaknesses of the S70. After all - the technology is already
there and has been used for over a year now.

Then Sony pushed the release date again and again and all this time
I was left camera-less, holding my breath and being patient.
During that time, I even considered buying the Canon G1 but after
reading some opinions I decided that I'm not going to spend 750$ on
a camera that will turn me into a Photoshop expert...

Finally the S75 hits the market and what happened ? Lower image
quality, noisy pictures, CA all over the place, overstaurated
colors and so on.
I already read some posts that suggest fixing the pictures using an
imaging software - I don't buy it, I don't think that I should sit
down and fix the faults of the camera for almost every picture I
take.

Now, I know that a lot will respond that it's possible to produce
great pictures when using the manual tuning and I know that an
experienced photographer could probably find the ways to go around
the problems.
But what about the rest of us ? What about those who simply want a
camera to take good pictures and not artistic creations ?

I think that many of the S75 users try to convince themselves that
it's not the camera - it's them. But let's face it - The S75 is
dissapointing. It's not what we expected and we should not just pay
the price and keep our mouth shut.

As for me, I have no idea what am I going to do now - maybe I'll
get an S70 ? Or should I wait for the S85 ?

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Helen Betts said:

Congratulations on the camera and happy shooting! I'll look forward
to the promised pictures.

Helen

MMT said:

Hi Helen and everyone here,
I can't get over this thread. Talk about controversy. All the
feedback/info here has been so helpful. Thanks god it's on
line...could have broken out into a fist fight. Got my camera,
shots some pictures....feel so much better. Easy to use and photos
look great!! Thanks for holding my hand a little.
Mabel In Marin

P.S. Helen, I'll get some snaps of Marin for you. Been here all
my life and it's still a great place!!

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Luke said:

omaha said:

itsikg said:

Now, I know this post might be a little harsh, but I just had to
blow off some steam that was building for several long months ....

I bought the S70 back in February and used it for a month. It was
my first digicam and I had no previous experience in photography. I
was very happy with the image quality and the automatic settings
which produced great results.
One thing bothered me the most - the unbearble shatter lag. The
camera was so slow that it was very hard to shoot moving object
like kids or animals.

Then I stumbled into this site and read the S75 review. I was so
impressed by the professional tests and results that I decided to
sell my S70 and wait for the S75 that was due (as rumored) by the
end of March / start of April.

I figured that the S75 will include all the benefits and fix most
of the weaknesses of the S70. After all - the technology is already
there and has been used for over a year now.

Then Sony pushed the release date again and again and all this time
I was left camera-less, holding my breath and being patient.
During that time, I even considered buying the Canon G1 but after
reading some opinions I decided that I'm not going to spend 750$ on
a camera that will turn me into a Photoshop expert...

Finally the S75 hits the market and what happened ? Lower image
quality, noisy pictures, CA all over the place, overstaurated
colors and so on.
I already read some posts that suggest fixing the pictures using an
imaging software - I don't buy it, I don't think that I should sit
down and fix the faults of the camera for almost every picture I
take.

Now, I know that a lot will respond that it's possible to produce
great pictures when using the manual tuning and I know that an
experienced photographer could probably find the ways to go around
the problems.
But what about the rest of us ? What about those who simply want a
camera to take good pictures and not artistic creations ?

I think that many of the S75 users try to convince themselves that
it's not the camera - it's them. But let's face it - The S75 is
dissapointing. It's not what we expected and we should not just pay
the price and keep our mouth shut.

As for me, I have no idea what am I going to do now - maybe I'll
get an S70 ? Or should I wait for the S85 ?

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S95isnext said:

OK the photographer makes the pictures and the camera is a tool,
got it, this camera sounds like a tool that you have to wrestle
with to facilitate your vision rather than one that makes it easier
to realize your vision.

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S95isnext said:

Luke said:

omaha said:

itsikg said:

Now, I know this post might be a little harsh, but I just had to
blow off some steam that was building for several long months ....

I bought the S70 back in February and used it for a month. It was
my first digicam and I had no previous experience in photography. I
was very happy with the image quality and the automatic settings
which produced great results.
One thing bothered me the most - the unbearble shatter lag. The
camera was so slow that it was very hard to shoot moving object
like kids or animals.

Then I stumbled into this site and read the S75 review. I was so
impressed by the professional tests and results that I decided to
sell my S70 and wait for the S75 that was due (as rumored) by the
end of March / start of April.

I figured that the S75 will include all the benefits and fix most
of the weaknesses of the S70. After all - the technology is already
there and has been used for over a year now.

Then Sony pushed the release date again and again and all this time
I was left camera-less, holding my breath and being patient.
During that time, I even considered buying the Canon G1 but after
reading some opinions I decided that I'm not going to spend 750$ on
a camera that will turn me into a Photoshop expert...

Finally the S75 hits the market and what happened ? Lower image
quality, noisy pictures, CA all over the place, overstaurated
colors and so on.
I already read some posts that suggest fixing the pictures using an
imaging software - I don't buy it, I don't think that I should sit
down and fix the faults of the camera for almost every picture I
take.

Now, I know that a lot will respond that it's possible to produce
great pictures when using the manual tuning and I know that an
experienced photographer could probably find the ways to go around
the problems.
But what about the rest of us ? What about those who simply want a
camera to take good pictures and not artistic creations ?

I think that many of the S75 users try to convince themselves that
it's not the camera - it's them. But let's face it - The S75 is
dissapointing. It's not what we expected and we should not just pay
the price and keep our mouth shut.

As for me, I have no idea what am I going to do now - maybe I'll
get an S70 ? Or should I wait for the S85 ?

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Rengel said:

I worked 9 moth with s 70 and 3 moth with F 505 V and since 2 weeks
with the second S 75. My first S 75 was defect (bad pictures).

Sure, I expected more development. I was also disapointent about
the noise, the focus and the to strong colors. But if i had to make
just now a decision i will choose the S 75 instead the S 70 or F
505 V. But if there will be a good F 505 V upgrade, than I sell my
S 75 and buy the new F 505 V.

You have to know your Kamera and use it by a different way than the
S 70. I discover many good features and I got absolutly a very good
image qualtity.
Reinhard

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• the best picture come always from the S70 (more details, best colour accuracy, best exposure) yes, ... but long autofocus ! and bad LCD.
• The G1 has a good ergonomy thanks to the LCD and give generally a very detailed picture BUT the exposure is often bad (and not always overexposed) so difficult to anticipate, there is a magenta dominant (possibly to eliminate with Photoshop but with destroying the full colour accuracy), and the flash is beuark ! forget-it.
• The S75 has a very good ergonomy comparing to the S70. But it's the only one improvement. The autofocus time is the same (1,8 s) with, fortunately a shorter time between shots (probably bigger internal buffer ?). The exposure is generally good. The macro is better with the S70. The focus is not always good as the S70. But the worst is that the pictures are too much satured missing a lot of details which are definitively lost and can not be recovered by Photoshop or anything else. The colour accuracy is not good (better than the G1) and needs to use Photoshop to give more realistic colour.

• the best picture come always from the S70 (more details, best colour accuracy, best exposure) yes, ... but long autofocus ! and bad LCD.
• The G1 has a good ergonomy thanks to the LCD and give generally a very detailed picture BUT the exposure is often bad (and not always overexposed) so difficult to anticipate, there is a magenta dominant (possibly to eliminate with Photoshop but with destroying the full colour accuracy), and the flash is beuark ! forget-it.
• The S75 has a very good ergonomy comparing to the S70. But it's the only one improvement. The autofocus time is the same (1,8 s) with, fortunately a shorter time between shots (probably bigger internal buffer ?). The exposure is generally good. The macro is better with the S70. The focus is not always good as the S70. But the worst is that the pictures are too much satured and missing a lot of details which are definitively lost and can not be recovered by Photoshop or anything else. The colour accuracy is not good (better than the G1) and needs to use Photoshop to give more realistic colour.