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Didn't you just post this 11 days ago? Quite proud of your D70 then.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=11011512

Also, you must be new to this board, because if you think this board is more civil than the D70 board you are in for quite a surprise!! Phil has had to delete about 3 or 4 threads in just the last few days because of serious in-fighting among people who own the same camera!!
I know one that I posted to just a few hours ago is gone now.

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Brian
http://www.pbase.com/brianfj
 
Yup and in actual fact I was discussing this whole Nikon verus Canon War with an instructor on Friday and a bunch of buddies who also peruse these messageboards which is the reason why I posted this. I was asked to prove to them how hot and bothered people get on "these" boards for a thesis involving the internet, rage and anonymity. In actual fact I still have my beloved D70 and my Konica and I actually never had a 10D. sorry !!

It was a huge rouse just get to people ticked off at nothing. A demonstration of sorts for my psych class in Uni in fact I posted 3 or 4 posts to use a baseline. Im sorry if I offended anyone but I needed the cash - re: a bet. I bet everyone who got really offended and ticked off at my silly post are feeling kind of silly themselves and Im looking pretty dumb, nevertheless Im off to the UK in a week so Im signing off, Im sure your all saying GOOD RIDDANCE,

To: Larry and Kerry email me once you read this...and quickly because Im sure Webmaster guy is gonna delete these pretty quick because I asked him to.

layta dudes ! LOL !

Paul - probably banned for life !
BrianJF said:
Didn't you just post this 11 days ago? Quite proud of your D70 then.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=11011512

Also, you must be new to this board, because if you think this
board is more civil than the D70 board you are in for quite a
surprise!! Phil has had to delete about 3 or 4 threads in just the
last few days because of serious in-fighting among people who own
the same camera!!
I know one that I posted to just a few hours ago is gone now.

--
Regards,
Brian
http://www.pbase.com/brianfj
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rob_md said:
But, the D70 folks aren't all nasty folks. I've run across very few
that I'd say were nasty/rude. shrug
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That would be me ;-) And it's never over canon vs. nikon or cameras in general, it's usually over politically correct nonsense.
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M7
 
alaibubu said:
How much better is the sigma compared to the nikon 18-70mmm? Can
you pls post some pics of both.
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Guys like this NEVER post pics. They don't take any, they just sit around comparing camera weights. Whenever it's a slow day and I come across posts like this I like to check the posters previous writings. This guy truly is a flamer. Have a look at what he said about YOU guys in yet another forum
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=10999202
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M7
 
PaulTTT said:
There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board.
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........ actually the level of baseness is unsurpassed in the Nikon forums generally currently at least.

Notwithstanding the obviously genuine photographers and master craftsmen on the Nikon boards, there is a general neurological, physiological paranoid disorder prevalent and seemingly encouraged in some sort of mass hysterical veneration or ancient ritual tribal slaughtering.

This presents itself in the over zealous flaming and diehard Nikonians seeing Nikon “everywhere” even when the products in the picture are obviously Canon.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10352147



There have been more, naturally, the massive sea of white lenses at sporting events bring cries, or is that hysterical sobbing and weeping that “Nikon has white lenses too!” ~ pathetic.

These boards are equipment boards and we are encouraged to discuss all equipment in an effort to buy something, except on the Nikon boards which seemingly must be preserved for the veneration of Nikon Deity with beheading as an instant punishment for anyone who even wants to look around.

Glad you are out of that cauldron, they eat away at you until you are stripped of your dignity but we have one thing, we have the best in camera technologies and looking at the multitude of posts in all the forums combined, the very, very best and by far the highest in volume of great and fantastic photographs are from Canon users of all ages from the G3 to the 1DSMKII and I don’t just mean sheer volume I do mean pictures that one considers “good” and IMO the ratio of good to drivel, proportionally is exceedingly high from Canon users.

I still have three Nikon cameras but my battle tanks are Canon 1Dees and I was impressed with my time with a 10D too, build quality does impart confidence, confidence translates into more picture attempts and IMO leads to better pictures too. ;)
 
flat five said:
well said Rob...i agree with you fully here....it's definitly not
about the camera....if someone can take great pics on a D1X, they
can do it on a 10D....likewise 1D on a d70....i could care less
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........ no actually there are fundamental differences between all these cameras and the only place they can compete is in a controlled studio environment where make up set construction, wardrobe, art direction, lighting and professional models are all employed to make a scene for the camera to capture, then almost any camera could do, certainly for a typical A4 glossy magazine cover.

Otherwise in the “camera dependant photographic art” or P&S mode the quality of the machine is of major influence. As example a person shooting a cycle race with a D70 will have to adopt a technique to overcome this particular model’s limitations to get a picture, IE choosing a fixed focus point, keeping the camera alive and shooing predicatively before the “intended” target arrives at the precise, predetermined location. When it comes off great, but I know from personal experience that it misses a lot of the time and usually the best I get is the second or third individual and not the leader, the intended target, more times than not it is an “accidental” photograph.

Now the photographer depending on these images will push that “accident” in his or her favour by using a fast camera and in this cycle race example the best machine for the job is the Canon 1D series bar none. Here the photographer can track an approaching cyclist and acquire the intended target and fire a fast burst which may give an award wining series or sequence of images and it also allows the photographer to “experiment” more as he gets his shot in the bag on the first attempt with confidence so he can instantly switch to say, close up facial expressions and still expect to get good results.

All this happens in the time it takes the D70 to write to disk …
 
The fact that you fell for this guy's line of cr@p tells me all I need to know about your level of intelligence. general neurological, physiological paranoid disorder my @ss.
Seven Days said:
Seven Days said:
There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board.
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........ actually the level of baseness is unsurpassed in the Nikon
forums generally currently at least.

Notwithstanding the obviously genuine photographers and master
craftsmen on the Nikon boards, there is a general neurological,
physiological paranoid disorder prevalent and seemingly encouraged
in some sort of mass hysterical veneration or ancient ritual tribal
slaughtering.

This presents itself in the over zealous flaming and diehard
Nikonians seeing Nikon “everywhere” even when the products in the
picture are obviously Canon.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10352147



There have been more, naturally, the massive sea of white lenses at
sporting events bring cries, or is that hysterical sobbing and
weeping that “Nikon has white lenses too!” ~ pathetic.

These boards are equipment boards and we are encouraged to discuss
all equipment in an effort to buy something, except on the Nikon
boards which seemingly must be preserved for the veneration of
Nikon Deity with beheading as an instant punishment for anyone who
even wants to look around.

Glad you are out of that cauldron, they eat away at you until you
are stripped of your dignity but we have one thing, we have the
best in camera technologies and looking at the multitude of posts
in all the forums combined, the very, very best and by far the
highest in volume of great and fantastic photographs are from Canon
users of all ages from the G3 to the 1DSMKII and I don’t just mean
sheer volume I do mean pictures that one considers “good” and IMO
the ratio of good to drivel, proportionally is exceedingly high
from Canon users.

I still have three Nikon cameras but my battle tanks are Canon
1Dees and I was impressed with my time with a 10D too, build
quality does impart confidence, confidence translates into more
picture attempts and IMO leads to better pictures too. ;)
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M7
 
I did the same as you, moving over from a 300D, though, and becasue I broke the poor thing. I would have gone for a 20D, but was stretched financially, and couldn't get hold of one intime for vacation.
It's a great combo, isn;t it?

I had some worries about the focus on my camera, but after some tests just figured I had to be more careful with my auto focussing, that is, not assume becasue it locks a the centre that it's focussed exactly where I want it (I tend to shoot wide open, so DOF is v. small. But with a few half-presses of the shutter and a good look in the view finder to make sure I've got what I want, I find it works great.

I still have to sharpen, but I found that my route is to use DDP, which sharpens without holos, then do some NR with Power retouch, which allows you to preserve details.
It's a great method, and really gets the images looking sharp.

Seven Days wrote:
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mystic7 said:
The fact that you fell for this guy's line of cr@p tells me all I
need to know about your level of intelligence. general
neurological, physiological paranoid disorder my @ss.
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... as if we did not suspect, he's a Nikonian. :))

Typical, if he does not understand what you said then YOU are the stupid or less intelligent one heheeeee and then the reference to his rear quarters … is a classical case of responsibility transference and deniability, a non denial, denial or it’s his posterior’s fault and not his …

This reply is a beauty, next … ;)
 
flat five said:
the posts of mine??? did i ever mention any sort of
canon/nikon?.....my original post had nothing to do with
brands..... it was inre to PTTT's statements that i know not to be
true.... you shoot canons? cool...
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Flat, I didn't comment your post. I read that as a pretty articulate and objective posting.

My observation was more based on the "Go HOME, troll" thread that followed your comments ;-)

-- Per.
 
So your entire intent of this and other posts was to anger and create havoc as an experiment for your psychology class report? Most universities have rules about such outside conduct. Pretty interesting that your Professor went along with this. What School do you attend?
 
My personal opinion is that moving from the D70 to the 10D was a bad move. In many cases, moving from the D70 to the 10D would be a downgrade. What was your reasoning?

The 10D might have a better build quality, but overall performance from the D70 is superior to the 10D in my opinion. I can say this because I had a D70 and was given a brand new 10D to use while I waited for my 20D to come in stock. Yes the 10D is solid...but I found it was SLOW SLOW SLOW compared to the D70. The noise at lower ISO's was obviously better with the 10D...but it's the higher ISO's that I found on the D70 to be more pleasing. Everything else about the D70 was so much better than the 10D. I got sick of seeing the 10D "busy" message on the LCD. ;-)

As for the build quality on the D70 and 10D...I found the D70 to be very solid. Comparing the D70 to the 10D/20D side by side...it's then you realize just how much more solid the Canon's are. BUT, remember that this doesn't take away from the quality of the Nikon. It's still quite solid (and lightweight!) for plastic.

If you wanted to switch to Canon...it's the 20D you needed to upgrade to to obtain better performance than the D70.

Now don't get me wrong with any of my post...the 10D was a fine camera that took great images. It's just that I found the D70 to be better overall and more enjoyable and efficient to use.
PaulTTT said:
Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT
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I just saw your "experiment". Great one!

So then I guess you at least agree with my post then?!?

Take care.
Team Critter said:
The 10D might have a better build quality, but overall performance
from the D70 is superior to the 10D in my opinion. I can say this
because I had a D70 and was given a brand new 10D to use while I
waited for my 20D to come in stock. Yes the 10D is solid...but I
found it was SLOW SLOW SLOW compared to the D70. The noise at lower
ISO's was obviously better with the 10D...but it's the higher ISO's
that I found on the D70 to be more pleasing. Everything else about
the D70 was so much better than the 10D. I got sick of seeing the
10D "busy" message on the LCD. ;-)

As for the build quality on the D70 and 10D...I found the D70 to be
very solid. Comparing the D70 to the 10D/20D side by side...it's
then you realize just how much more solid the Canon's are. BUT,
remember that this doesn't take away from the quality of the Nikon.
It's still quite solid (and lightweight!) for plastic.

If you wanted to switch to Canon...it's the 20D you needed to
upgrade to to obtain better performance than the D70.

Now don't get me wrong with any of my post...the 10D was a fine
camera that took great images. It's just that I found the D70 to be
better overall and more enjoyable and efficient to use.
PaulTTT said:
Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT
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uh Seven Days....i think that you are missing my point....
Seven Days said:
Otherwise in the “camera dependant photographic art” or P&S mode
the quality of the machine is of major influence. As example a
person shooting a cycle race with a D70 will have to adopt a
technique to overcome this particular model’s limitations to get a
picture, IE choosing a fixed focus point, keeping the camera alive
and shooing predicatively before the “intended” target arrives at
the precise, predetermined location. When it comes off great,
but I know from personal experience that it misses a lot of the
time and usually the best I get is the second or third individual
and not the leader, the intended target, more times than not it is
an “accidental” photograph.

Now the photographer depending on these images will push that
“accident” in his or her favour by using a fast camera and in this
cycle race example the best machine for the job is the Canon 1D
series bar none. Here the photographer can track an approaching
cyclist and acquire the intended target and fire a fast burst which
may give an award wining series or sequence of images and it also
allows the photographer to “experiment” more as he gets his shot in
the bag on the first attempt with confidence so he can instantly
switch to say, close up facial expressions and still expect to get
good results.
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i am certainly not trying to imply that someone could cover a motercylcle race equally with a d70/1d.
Seven Days said:
All this happens in the time it takes the D70 to write to disk …
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either way,
-flat-
 
I'm not even going to read the other posts here and just say that your post is very very very odd.

I had the D70 and it's a great camera. 18-125 sigma kicking the sh*t out of the nikkor 18-70? Seriously that right there showed you are either a troll or don't know what you are doing.

Also the Nikon forums are great and just a target for a few bad seed canon trolls.

Also your posts
PaulTTT said:
Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT
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flat five said:
flat five said:
Otherwise in the “camera dependant photographic art” or P&S mode
the quality of the machine is of major influence. As example a
person shooting a cycle race with a D70 will have to adopt a
technique to overcome this particular model’s limitations to get a
picture, IE choosing a fixed focus point, keeping the camera alive
and shooing predicatively before the “intended” target arrives at
the precise, predetermined location. When it comes off great,
but I know from personal experience that it misses a lot of the
time and usually the best I get is the second or third individual
and not the leader, the intended target, more times than not it is
an “accidental” photograph.

Now the photographer depending on these images will push that
“accident” in his or her favour by using a fast camera and in this
cycle race example the best machine for the job is the Canon 1D
series bar none. Here the photographer can track an approaching
cyclist and acquire the intended target and fire a fast burst which
may give an award wining series or sequence of images and it also
allows the photographer to “experiment” more as he gets his shot in
the bag on the first attempt with confidence so he can instantly
switch to say, close up facial expressions and still expect to get
good results.
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i am certainly not trying to imply that someone could cover a
motercylcle race equally with a d70/1d.
flat five said:
All this happens in the time it takes the D70 to write to disk …
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either way,
-flat-
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