Sold my Nikon, bought a used 10D - Ecstatic - YES !

PaulTTT · Nov 20, 2004

Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70 and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense, sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT

eeprete · Nov 20, 2004

welcome aboard.

alaibubu · Nov 20, 2004

How much better is the sigma compared to the nikon 18-70mmm? Can you pls post some pics of both.

PaulTTT said:
BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT

flat five · Nov 20, 2004

PaulTTT said:
Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured i could do it at least once over here....

PaulTTT said:
There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane.

i wouldn't say this is a true statement...there is some hostility and some immaturity but nowhere close to allot of it....definitly wouldn't say insane...

PaulTTT said:
Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board.

i come over here every now and then for a couple of reasons....1, yes, there is a different level of knowledge going on here....look at the forum's title....it suggests a step above the typical d70/drebel users...there is some stuff to be learnt here...not necessarily camera stuff but photography stuff..... reason #2.....civility? here? hahahah.... a lot of times, i wish that i would see some more arguing at the d70 forum...everyone is polite....sometimes too polite, especially when critiquing some oversharpened poorly lit smack in the middle of the frame ugly azz duck....i come over here for the entertainment.....good stuff!!

PaulTTT said:
Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

i own the 18-70 but have not used it in a couple of months....i agree that it's not the best (however, it is definitly good for it's price).... but that hunk that you just bought (the lens, not the camera)???... let's just hope that you're a great photographer so you can get a decent shot with it....
-flat-

DigitalDave · Nov 20, 2004

flat five said:
probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

Please take your flaming elsewhere! Looks like you proved Paul 100% correct in his assessment of the D70 folks.

Dave

--

'However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.' -- Winston Churchill

flat five · Nov 20, 2004

DigitalDave said:
flat five said:

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

Click to expand...

Please take your flaming elsewhere! Looks like you proved Paul
100% correct in his assessment of the D70 folks.

although i said that i could burn him over here, i don't think that i did...please re-read my post for any signs of flaming paultttttt..... except the part about that hunk of a lens that he's raving about.
-flat-

rob_md · Nov 20, 2004

As a D70 owner that's had cameras (both film and digital) from most major makers (Canon, Pentax, Nikon, Kodak, Olympus), I think that I can safely say that .. sorry.. there's really not that much difference between Canon/Nikon, etc. It's all about what you do with the camera you have. I think it's a safe statement that there's at least one person out there with the 13 MP Kodak Professional model that takes crappy pictures. shrug Either you're able to capture great images or you aren't. It's rarely the camera's fault, regardless of brand. Which is not a bash to anyone, please don't think so. I think we've all met someone that buys a $1500 camera, and a $500 lens... and takes snapshots of the family dog.

But, the D70 folks aren't all nasty folks. I've run across very few that I'd say were nasty/rude. shrug

flat five said:
DigitalDave said:

flat five said:

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

Click to expand...

Please take your flaming elsewhere! Looks like you proved Paul
100% correct in his assessment of the D70 folks.

Click to expand...

although i said that i could burn him over here, i don't think that
i did...please re-read my post for any signs of flaming
paultttttt..... except the part about that hunk of a lens that he's
raving about.
-flat-

--
http://www.pbase.com/rob_md

1Roger · Nov 20, 2004

Interested in the lens you mentioned. Have heard good things about that lens before. Got any pictures to show?
Roger

PaulTTT said:
Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT

flat five · Nov 20, 2004

rob_md said:
As a D70 owner that's had cameras (both film and digital) from most
major makers (Canon, Pentax, Nikon, Kodak, Olympus), I think that I
can safely say that .. sorry.. there's really not that much
difference between Canon/Nikon, etc. It's all about what you do
with the camera you have. I think it's a safe statement that
there's at least one person out there with the 13 MP Kodak
Professional model that takes crappy pictures. shrug Either
you're able to capture great images or you aren't. It's rarely the
camera's fault, regardless of brand. Which is not a bash to anyone,
please don't think so. I think we've all met someone that buys a
$1500 camera, and a $500 lens... and takes snapshots of the family
dog.

well said Rob...i agree with you fully here....it's definitly not about the camera....if someone can take great pics on a D1X, they can do it on a 10D....likewise 1D on a d70....i could care less (well, i guess i might be interested...just not emotional) what tool was used to capture the image...it's either good or not so good....

rob_md said:
But, the D70 folks aren't all nasty folks. I've run across very few
that I'd say were nasty/rude. shrug

am i being nasty here? or out of line? just talking but i'll go away if i'm being a pest...
-flat-

PaulTTT · Nov 20, 2004

LOL, my point is proven about D70 owners and it didnt take long either. I apologize to Canon people for inadvertantly dragging the trash from over there to here.... double LOL !!!!

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=11147764

flat five said:
PaulTTT said:

Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

Click to expand...

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

flat five said:

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane.

Click to expand...

i wouldn't say this is a true statement...there is some hostility
and some immaturity but nowhere close to allot of it....definitly
wouldn't say insane...

flat five said:

Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board.

Click to expand...

i come over here every now and then for a couple of reasons....1,
yes, there is a different level of knowledge going on here....look
at the forum's title....it suggests a step above the typical
d70/drebel users...there is some stuff to be learnt here...not
necessarily camera stuff but photography stuff..... reason

2.....civility? here? hahahah.... a lot of times, i wish that i

would see some more arguing at the d70 forum...everyone is
polite....sometimes too polite, especially when critiquing some
oversharpened poorly lit smack in the middle of the frame ugly azz
duck....i come over here for the entertainment.....good stuff!!

flat five said:

Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Click to expand...

i own the 18-70 but have not used it in a couple of months....i
agree that it's not the best (however, it is definitly good for
it's price).... but that hunk that you just bought (the lens, not
the camera)???... let's just hope that you're a great photographer
so you can get a decent shot with it....
-flat-

Per Baekgaard · Nov 21, 2004

DigitalDave said:
flat five said:

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

Click to expand...

Please take your flaming elsewhere! Looks like you proved Paul
100% correct in his assessment of the D70 folks.

Wow... seems really true what they say over at the D70 board, that the Canon boards are really hostile, and better avoided ;-) And before you start flaming me too, please note that I own both Nikon and Canon cameras (and Olympus and Kodak as well).

Anyway, just wanted to say that it seems a bit wierd that we get that upset or trigger strong emotional reactions when confronted with people owning another brand of camera or switches between brands. I mean, it's just a camera, isn't it?

-- Per.

P.S.: Just in case you didn't notice, the first statement of mine contains a smiley ;-)

PaulTTT · Nov 21, 2004

yep, the faceless internet is like driving a car and road rage. People in Chevys wanna kill Fords and people with Nikons wanna kill people with Canons or visa versa, its quite a kick seeing people get all hot over nothing : )

Per Baekgaard said:
DigitalDave said:

flat five said:

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

Click to expand...

Please take your flaming elsewhere! Looks like you proved Paul
100% correct in his assessment of the D70 folks.

Click to expand...

Wow... seems really true what they say over at the D70 board, that
the Canon boards are really hostile, and better avoided ;-) And
before you start flaming me too, please note that I own both Nikon
and Canon cameras (and Olympus and Kodak as well).

Anyway, just wanted to say that it seems a bit wierd that we get
that upset or trigger strong emotional reactions when confronted
with people owning another brand of camera or switches between
brands. I mean, it's just a camera, isn't it?

-- Per.

P.S.: Just in case you didn't notice, the first statement of mine
contains a smiley ;-)

zest · Nov 21, 2004

paul leave those sexy nikon studs alone and get back into my bed you stud , this time im boom boom

PaulTTT said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=11147764

flat five said:

PaulTTT said:

Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

Click to expand...

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

PaulTTT said:

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane.

Click to expand...

i wouldn't say this is a true statement...there is some hostility
and some immaturity but nowhere close to allot of it....definitly
wouldn't say insane...

PaulTTT said:

Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board.

Click to expand...

i come over here every now and then for a couple of reasons....1,
yes, there is a different level of knowledge going on here....look
at the forum's title....it suggests a step above the typical
d70/drebel users...there is some stuff to be learnt here...not
necessarily camera stuff but photography stuff..... reason

2.....civility? here? hahahah.... a lot of times, i wish that i

would see some more arguing at the d70 forum...everyone is
polite....sometimes too polite, especially when critiquing some
oversharpened poorly lit smack in the middle of the frame ugly azz
duck....i come over here for the entertainment.....good stuff!!

PaulTTT said:

Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Click to expand...

i own the 18-70 but have not used it in a couple of months....i
agree that it's not the best (however, it is definitly good for
it's price).... but that hunk that you just bought (the lens, not
the camera)???... let's just hope that you're a great photographer
so you can get a decent shot with it....
-flat-

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flat five · Nov 21, 2004

the posts of mine??? did i ever mention any sort of canon/nikon?.....my original post had nothing to do with brands..... it was inre to PTTT's statements that i know not to be true.... you shoot canons? cool...
-flat-

flat five · Nov 21, 2004

zest said:
PaulTTT said:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=11147764

flat five said:

PaulTTT said:

Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

Click to expand...

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

zest said:

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane.

Click to expand...

i wouldn't say this is a true statement...there is some hostility
and some immaturity but nowhere close to allot of it....definitly
wouldn't say insane...

zest said:

Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board.

Click to expand...

i come over here every now and then for a couple of reasons....1,
yes, there is a different level of knowledge going on here....look
at the forum's title....it suggests a step above the typical
d70/drebel users...there is some stuff to be learnt here...not
necessarily camera stuff but photography stuff..... reason

2.....civility? here? hahahah.... a lot of times, i wish that i

would see some more arguing at the d70 forum...everyone is
polite....sometimes too polite, especially when critiquing some
oversharpened poorly lit smack in the middle of the frame ugly azz
duck....i come over here for the entertainment.....good stuff!!

zest said:

Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Click to expand...

i own the 18-70 but have not used it in a couple of months....i
agree that it's not the best (however, it is definitly good for
it's price).... but that hunk that you just bought (the lens, not
the camera)???... let's just hope that you're a great photographer
so you can get a decent shot with it....
-flat-

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

flat five · Nov 21, 2004

Per Baekgaard said:
DigitalDave said:

flat five said:

probably right about getting flamed 100 times over there. I figured
i could do it at least once over here....

Click to expand...

Please take your flaming elsewhere! Looks like you proved Paul
100% correct in his assessment of the D70 folks.

Click to expand...

Wow... seems really true what they say over at the D70 board, that
the Canon boards are really hostile, and better avoided ;-) And
before you start flaming me too, please note that I own both Nikon
and Canon cameras (and Olympus and Kodak as well).

Anyway, just wanted to say that it seems a bit wierd that we get
that upset or trigger strong emotional reactions when confronted
with people owning another brand of camera or switches between
brands. I mean, it's just a camera, isn't it?

-- Per.

P.S.: Just in case you didn't notice, the first statement of mine
contains a smiley ;-)

sandy b · Nov 21, 2004

Instead of simply coming over here and posting you have a new cam, you have to stir the hate pot about the Nikon forum, and stab them in the back with what you feel are such horrible posts. I just read all of your posts about how much you loved your d70, and how you never bash other cams or peoples choices, cheap plastic, ehh?, even you know better than that. What a backstabber. Good riddance to bad trash.

PaulTTT said:
Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT

PaulTTT · Nov 21, 2004

Sandy, if your female then excuse my rudeness.. nevertheless, so I am backstabber, LOL ! I didnt post on the Nikon forum so what do you care ? My D70 is still sitting beside me, its sold but in comparing the two the 10 it walks all over it in build quality, in fact my original post states that in build quality and comparing my cheap new lense to my old kit lense the D70 is all that, my Sigma just delivered from BH Photo is also a great piece of glass for $269 but I knew someone from the Nikon forum so arrogantly wrapped up in Nikkor would come on over and write it off too but thats soo typical, very typical of D70 users.. but it was inevitable that the TRASH would filter over here from that forum and your prime example so waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaa to you LOL !!

sandy b said:
PaulTTT said:

Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT

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sandy b · Nov 21, 2004

I apoligize for my rudeness. But when you decided to switch, it irritated me that you had to come over here and dump on the people you had been telling you hated it when they did that. Again sorry for the trash comment. Enjoy your new cam, its a fine one.

PaulTTT said:
sandy b said:

PaulTTT said:

Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT

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k.okeeffe · Nov 21, 2004

PaulTTT

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that it was the person behind the camera that took photographs.

Who really gives cares what camera everyone else uses? Don't you think that there are more important things in life to be concerned with?

Why does it matter if you are using a Nikon/Canon/Minolta/Kodak etc. or if you are using a $200 camera as opposed to a $2000 camera?

As long as you are happy with your choice and it fulfils your needs, then you should not be concerned with anyone else's choice.

I don't think that it is fair to generalise D70 users as you have done - seriously, don't you think it is just a bit immature and pedantic?

Cheers
Kristine

PaulTTT said:
Hi

Longtime Minolta Dimage A2 and Nikon D70 owner. I just sold my D70
and although I really wanted a 20D I had to settle for a near new
and mint used 10D and all I can say is it is exquisite. Hold my old
Nikon and the 10D side by side and the 10D is quite a bit more
solid. The cheap plastic on my old D70 is aparent even the D70 guys
always say it is extremely high quality plastic, blah blah.. Of
course if I post this on the D70 board I will get flamed 100 times
and whipped to boot..

There is allot of very very hostile immature anti Canon rhetoric on
the D70 board to the point of being really insane. Since I have
been considering "jumping ship' I have perused this board for quite
some time and I can honestly say there is a different level of
civility and knowledge on this board. Actually the same can be said
on the Minolta board too. Anyways, just thought I would drop in and
say, woo hoo !

BTW, I bought the cam with the new SIGMA 18-125mm f3.5 DC lense and
all I can say is this thing KICKS the sh*& out of my old 18-70 kit
lense on my old D70..For a so called "cheap" lense its one of the
best I have ever used as a general walk around and full time lense,
sharp at all ends and is compact.

Cheers
PaulTTT

Sold my Nikon, bought a used 10D - Ecstatic - YES !

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