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charlesh said:
too, too much time on your hands. I can't believe someone would
actually track things to the extent that you have. To each his own,
I guess. Me, I like spending less time on the forums and more time
outside actually using my cameras. Trolls, I could care less about
them because in the grand scheme of things, they don't really
matter.
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I can't believe that people like to walk around a golf course hitting a little white ball....

Each to their own. Far be it from any of us to pass judgement on how someone else spends their time.

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H McCollister
 
I am not making that up. He's got a two year contract with Marvel comics to write The Amazing Spider Man.

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Salvage troll posts! When you see a thread started by a troll, post something useful to it. It will drive the trolls up the wall. ;)

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
tyoung said:
Huge problem. Ban them ALL!!! Heck, ban everybody. It's the only
way to be sure. :) > >
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LOL! So if we could get Phil to install something like TrollCatcher v5.1 you don't think there would be anyone here? Maybe we should make trolling compulsory!! ;-)

John.
 
tko said:
You could be right. That would be terrible; then we'd have another
9 months to go!
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Yes, all three, starting with the first, which was Microsaft. He's hijacked so many threads since that time, that it actually feels like he's been at it for much longer.

The thought of 9 more months is unbearable. I'm hoping the powers that be will delete his sorry self every time they're alerted that he's back as someone new.

Maureen
 
Interesting too that you would take the time to look into it.

Cycles in lifeforms is not that new though. Quite a precise piece of clockwork we are.

Your objectivity in the matter is a bit lacking by calling them trolls and from what little I know your rendition of each person too.

I suggest labelling the group bannees until you can supply objective data to logically support the label troll. Start by defining the term.

Also I would suggest looking into other explanations of the observed cycle than the subjects themselves. Since we are all cyclic people it could also be a case of an external cyclic aspect to which the bannees reacted to.

Further, is this list of bannees complete or merely a selection of those fitting the trend?
 
Joseph S. Wisniewski said:
jack1000 said:
... any chance of links to those posts? I'd be interested to see
what got people quite so worked up.
thanks!
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They're pretty much all gone. Only local copies surviving.
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what do you mean?
I found the first 3 on the list by a simple forum search.

Can't be sure they are the ones they were banned for but you can press their name and see a list of their posts.

Ger Bee
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10727841

Dan Frederiksen
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=9995468

SG10
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=6177296

Neither seems particularly outrageous to me.
A lot of people calling Ger Bee a troll tho

Since you follow what you call trolls do you also report them to Phil to have them banned Joseph?

Since we're into interesting observations I just thought of historic 'trolls' to add to the list. The most famous of which must be Jesus who was banned for trolling quite a bit. Can't recall precisely if Galileo was banned in the same sense but he was at least put up for it. I'm sure you can think of others.
Maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions on unpopular views.
 
Candidate said:
Also I would suggest looking into other explanations of the
observed cycle than the subjects themselves. Since we are all
cyclic people it could also be a case of an external cyclic aspect
to which the bannees reacted to.
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I have suggested the lunar cycle is responsible for this lunacy in a thread above.

Brian
 
brianj said:
brianj said:
Also I would suggest looking into other explanations of the
observed cycle than the subjects themselves. Since we are all
cyclic people it could also be a case of an external cyclic aspect
to which the bannees reacted to.
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I have suggested the lunar cycle is responsible for this lunacy in
a thread above.
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Studiing the behaviour of troll, might be a new disciplin for the scientific community.

But what area of science would you think is best suited to undertake these studies.
Biology
sociology
mythology
psykiatry
or maybe anthropology ??????????????????
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Frits Thomsen
http://www.pbase.com/yoicz
 
Frits Thomsen said:
Studiing the behaviour of troll, might be a new disciplin for the
scientific community.
But what area of science would you think is best suited to
undertake these studies.
Biology
sociology
mythology
psykiatry
or maybe anthropology ??????????????????
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Psychiatry, in the area of personality disorders.

--
 
Joe
Joseph S Wisniewski said:
So, what is it with these poor wretches? What happened in Ger Bee's
life in late October, or Dan Frederiksen's in late August, that
cause them to act so strangely every year at a particular time? Why
do more than half the trolls who manage to get themselves banned,
get banned within 3 weeks of their anniversary date? That's a
pretty small window.
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I wonder what happened in your life that you feel the need to track other peoples posts ....

pretty sad imho

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Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com
 
Well I own a Fuji S2, but didn't realize I was a cult member. I don't think I ever responded to any of jacques' posts, and I will admit I did find him quite rude at times. But to "troll" means to submit a nonsense or offensive post just to provoke responses, and I don't think jacques ever did that. His rudeness was always directed at "look at my photo" posts - I can't recall a case where he posted just to provoke a response.

The outpouring of responses to his death (to which I did not contribute, for no reason in particular) indicates that his posts actually got people thinking, instead of just making them mad.

However rude jacques may have been at times, I think your glib reference to his death is more offensive by far. I enjoy many of your posts, but you may want to think about this one.
Joseph S. Wisniewski said:
As I said, jacques meertens was mostly serious and useful, with
occasional episodes of trolling. I think he was more of the old
school "criticism has to hurt" mentality than an sctual malicious
troll. But he did hurt a lot of people.

Jacques used one of the "cult cameras", the Fuji S2. Those forums
tend be dominated by a rather small, tight knit core of regulars
which actually get like a little family. Jacques was part of the
Fuji SLR forum family.

So, when he passed, there was an enormous outpouring on that forum.
Even the people he ripped into made tributes.
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and just as much my right to voice my opinion.
hmac said:
charlesh said:
too, too much time on your hands. I can't believe someone would
actually track things to the extent that you have. To each his own,
I guess. Me, I like spending less time on the forums and more time
outside actually using my cameras. Trolls, I could care less about
them because in the grand scheme of things, they don't really
matter.
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I can't believe that people like to walk around a golf course
hitting a little white ball....

Each to their own. Far be it from any of us to pass judgement on
how someone else spends their time.

--
H McCollister
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charlesh
 
Interesting pastime.
Do you mind disclosing the list of those 17 active DPR trolls?
I'm wondering if I'm there.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!
HAHHAHAHAHA !!

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hello goodbyte said:
Frits Thomsen said:
Studiing the behaviour of troll, might be a new disciplin for the
scientific community.
But what area of science would you think is best suited to
undertake these studies.
Biology
sociology
mythology
psykiatry
or maybe anthropology ??????????????????
--
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Psychiatry, in the area of personality disorders.
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I would say Psychology is more appropriate. Psychiatry may fit only if the posters behave the same way in person, or if they are just letting out behaviors they are trying to suppress in real life. The anonymity factor in internet forums and chat rooms could have an effect on these persons' behavior.

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Medic
 
Candidate said:
Joseph S. Wisniewski said:
jack1000 said:
... any chance of links to those posts? I'd be interested to see
what got people quite so worked up.
thanks!
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They're pretty much all gone. Only local copies surviving.
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what do you mean?
I found the first 3 on the list by a simple forum search.
Can't be sure they are the ones they were banned for but you can
press their name and see a list of their posts.
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Phil usually doesn't delete all of a person's posts or threads when he bans them. There are a few exceptions, which we'll get to in a minute. I'll use this one as an example, because I saw it when it was "fresh" and remember how it's been "cleaned".
Candidate said:
Dan Frederiksen
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=9995468
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Again, heavily edited. As Phil said, "He used the F word just one to many times and he's now banned".

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=10047312

Half a dozen of Dan's posts to that thread, the ones where he used the "F word", were deleted, but most of Dan's writings are still with us.

Exactly the same thing happened with Ger and SG10. Most of their writings survive. It's only the worst temper tantrums that have been deleted.
Candidate said:
Neither seems particularly outrageous to me.
A lot of people calling Ger Bee a troll tho

Since you follow what you call trolls do you also report them to
Phil to have them banned Joseph?
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Not normally. I'm a troll watcher. If all the trolls get banned, what will a troll watcher watch?

There were exceptions. I reported Bob Ranch, aka Iracariaus, Liquid_Alimpus, and Orimpus. I'm sure hundreds, or maybe thousands, of other people complained about that one. If you saw what he wrote, you'd understand. If you didn't see it, you were very lucky. Amazing stuff, like Hanibel Lechter with a more sexual twist.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=11054187

Bob's not like Ger, Dan, Steve (SG10). His Liquid_Alimpus and Orimpus accounts, and every single one of the posts he made under those names were deleted. Apparently, they would be legal in the US, but fall under European hate crime laws.
Candidate said:
Since we're into interesting observations I just thought of
historic 'trolls' to add to the list. The most famous of which must
be Jesus who was banned for trolling quite a bit. Can't recall
precisely if Galileo was banned in the same sense but he was at
least put up for it. I'm sure you can think of others.
Maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions on unpopular views.
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First off, I didn't advocate the banning of any of these people. I simply pointed out an interesting observation concerning their bannings. I think different viewpoints make the world a more interesting place. There are a lot of people on this site that I enjoy a good argument with Some even swing me over to their "unpopular views". I wouldn't have given any of them more than a stiff warning.

Second, seriously, I don't put Ger Bee, Dan Frederiksen, or Steve Giovenella in the same class as Jesus or Galileo.

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Salvage troll posts! When you see a thread started by a troll, post something useful to it. It will drive the trolls up the wall. ;)

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Candidate said:
Interesting too that you would take the time to look into it.

Cycles in lifeforms is not that new though. Quite a precise piece
of clockwork we are.
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I quite agree. I've always believed that annual biological cycles are the reason astrology appears to work. (ask why, if you like, I can go on at length on that subejct).

And I found Ray Nedimyer's observation about illness an birthdays elsewhere in this thread to be absolutly fascinating.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=11053664
Candidate said:
Your objectivity in the matter is a bit lacking by calling them
trolls and from what little I know your rendition of each person
too.
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I agree, totally. My apologies for this. For almost 30 years, I've been what's called, on USENET, a "troll watcher". A troll is judged by intent, they are people who it is fairly obvious actually seek to disrupt.

It's hard to label Ger, Dan, or Steve. (maybe that's a good thing. I think it should be hard to lable people). By any common definition, they aren't trolls. The old term "net kook" comes close. People with (as has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread) the "unpopular opinions" that tend to get them brought under fire.
Candidate said:
I suggest labelling the group bannees until you can supply
objective data to logically support the label troll. Start by
defining the term.
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I'm pretty sure bannees means something different already. But you're quite right, "troll" isn't the right label.
Candidate said:
Also I would suggest looking into other explanations of the
observed cycle than the subjects themselves. Since we are all
cyclic people it could also be a case of an external cyclic aspect
to which the bannees reacted to.

Further, is this list of bannees complete or merely a selection of
those fitting the trend?
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It's very incomplete. I only have 32 people in the database. Mostly, because they're interesting. Only 10 of those 32 have been banned. Of those 10, six fit the criteria I initially described, getting banned within three weeks of their anniversary.

The "bannees" concept has merrit. I only know of two people outside this list who were banned. One of those was banned for posting voyeristic pictures, and the other was actively trying to get banned, and bragging about how many times he'd done it.

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Salvage troll posts! When you see a thread started by a troll, post something useful to it. It will drive the trolls up the wall. ;)

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Lucem said:
Interesting pastime.
Do you mind disclosing the list of those 17 active DPR trolls?
I'm wondering if I'm there.
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Actually, you're not. You're one of a kind, and don't fit any category that I'm familiar with.

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Salvage troll posts! When you see a thread started by a troll, post something useful to it. It will drive the trolls up the wall. ;)

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
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