CP8800: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED (here are some lowecase characters)

lee lindquist · Nov 13, 2004

Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

In other words, what would screw onto the front of
the UE-E17?

I'm guessing that it is some unique, non-standard size.

P.S. My original title was "CP8800: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED",
but Phil won't allow all upper case characters in the subject.

Tore Lund · Nov 13, 2004

lee lindquist said:
Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

According to Nikon, the TC-E17ED can be used on the 5700 with a UR-E8 adapter. And according to CK that adapter has a front thread of 50 mm. So it looks like the UR-E17 also has a front thread of 50 mm.
--
Tore

lee lindquist · Nov 13, 2004

Tore Lund said:
lee lindquist said:

Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

Click to expand...

According to Nikon, the TC-E17ED can be used on the 5700 with a
UR-E8 adapter. And according to CK that adapter has a front thread
of 50 mm. So it looks like the UR-E17 also has a front thread of
50 mm.

I think you need the UR-E19 to attach the TC-E17ED to
a CP5700 or CP8700.

Tore Lund · Nov 13, 2004

lee lindquist said:
Tore Lund said:

lee lindquist said:

Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

Click to expand...

According to Nikon, the TC-E17ED can be used on the 5700 with a
UR-E8 adapter. And according to CK that adapter has a front thread
of 50 mm. So it looks like the UR-E17 also has a front thread of
50 mm.

Click to expand...

I think you need the UR-E19 to attach the TC-E17ED to
a CP5700 or CP8700.

I am just quoting Nikon:

http://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nikoneurope_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=e2CpQoqh&p_lva=&p_faqid=1428&p_created=1053356107&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTQmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT0zJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwxPTM3JnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPTUzJnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=
--
Tore

lee lindquist · Nov 13, 2004

Tore Lund said:
lee lindquist said:

Tore Lund said:

lee lindquist said:

Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

Click to expand...

According to Nikon, the TC-E17ED can be used on the 5700 with a
UR-E8 adapter. And according to CK that adapter has a front thread
of 50 mm. So it looks like the UR-E17 also has a front thread of
50 mm.

Click to expand...

I think you need the UR-E19 to attach the TC-E17ED to
a CP5700 or CP8700.

Click to expand...

I am just quoting Nikon:

http://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nikoneurope_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=e2CpQoqh&p_lva=&p_faqid=1428&p_created=1053356107&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTQmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT0zJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwxPTM3JnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPTUzJnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=

Me too. And, we're both right!

I think Nikon needs to get it straight...

http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/accessory/converter/list.htm

lee lindquist · Nov 19, 2004

Tore Lund said:
lee lindquist said:

Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

Click to expand...

According to Nikon, the TC-E17ED can be used on the 5700 with a
UR-E8 adapter. And according to CK that adapter has a front thread
of 50 mm. So it looks like the UR-E17 also has a front thread of
50 mm.

I now have a UR-E17. It has a front thread of about 60mm
might be 60mm, might be 60.5

Tore Lund · Nov 19, 2004

lee lindquist said:
I now have a UR-E17. It has a front thread of about 60mm
might be 60mm, might be 60.5

Thanks for the info. Nikon certainly needs to update some of their support pages.
--
Tore

DonShye · Dec 31, 2004

Lee,

Have you been able to confirm what the thread size is ? GaborSch brought up the possibility of using the UR-E17 (which is a lot cheaper than Bernie's adaptors) along with a step ring to achieve a 58 mm or 55 mm adaptor (which will allow the use of TCON-17 and other teleconvertors). This would work if the thread size is 60mm, but not if it is 60.5mm or some other Nikon proprietary size.

Don

lee lindquist said:
Tore Lund said:

lee lindquist said:

Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

Click to expand...

According to Nikon, the TC-E17ED can be used on the 5700 with a
UR-E8 adapter. And according to CK that adapter has a front thread
of 50 mm. So it looks like the UR-E17 also has a front thread of
50 mm.

Click to expand...

I now have a UR-E17. It has a front thread of about 60mm
might be 60mm, might be 60.5

lee lindquist · Jan 1, 2005

DonShye said:
Lee,

Have you been able to confirm what the thread size is ? GaborSch
brought up the possibility of using the UR-E17 (which is a lot
cheaper than Bernie's adaptors) along with a step ring to achieve a
58 mm or 55 mm adaptor (which will allow the use of TCON-17 and
other teleconvertors). This would work if the thread size is 60mm,
but not if it is 60.5mm or some other Nikon proprietary size.

Hi Don -- I couldn't find anything that would thread into
the UR-E17. The threads are recessed from the front
edge, so a filter doesn't have enough 'reach' to grab the
threads.

I found a step down ring that was a nice fit inside the UR-E17,
not threaded, just a press-fit. I drilled and tapped three holes
around the outside of the UR-E17, into the step down ring.
This allowed me to mount an OLY B-300 to the UR-E17.
That's pretty much all I wanted to do, as the Nikon TC is more
than I want to spend.

Happy New Year.

GaborSch · Jan 1, 2005

lee lindquist said:
I found a step down ring that was a nice fit inside the UR-E17,
not threaded, just a press-fit. I drilled and tapped three holes
around the outside of the UR-E17, into the step down ring.
This allowed me to mount an OLY B-300 to the UR-E17.
That's pretty much all I wanted to do, as the Nikon TC is more
than I want to spend.

That's a solution too, if it stays parallel.

Two questions:

1. How does it feel? Sturdy enough? Though the B-300 weighs only 260gr, you have to have a feeling if it would bear more without the supporting bracket.

2. Is the bracket, which braces the adapter tube for the TC-E17D part of the UR-E17 package?

Thanks and Happy New Year
Gabor

lee lindquist · Jan 1, 2005

GaborSch said:
1. How does it feel? Sturdy enough? Though the B-300 weighs only
260gr, you have to have a feeling if it would bear more without the
supporting bracket.

Quite sturdy. I was going to epoxy the step-down ring inside
the adapter tube -- but I was worried that it might fail, and
the B-300 would tumble away to a certain death.

GaborSch said:
2. Is the bracket, which braces the adapter tube for the TC-E17D
part of the UR-E17 package?

UR-E17 is just an adapter tube. No other pieces.

MakingWaves · Jan 1, 2005

I just tried the TC-E15ED with UR-E8 adapter (from my 5700) on my 8800 and it seems to work fine (at maximum telephoto - which is what the 8800 defaults to when the tele-extender option is selected in the menu). Does anyone know if the 8800 was supposed to work with the 5700 TC-E15ED and UR-E8? I guess I'm a bit surprised (pleasantly). Thanks much

Duncan

MakingWaves · Jan 1, 2005

Apologies on my last post, after doing a search in this forum I found that others had already discovered that the 5700 tele converter (TC-E15ED and UR-E8) worked on the 8800. (with a possible shift in WB, although I'm not sure I noticed that).

MakingWaves said:
I just tried the TC-E15ED with UR-E8 adapter (from my 5700) on my
8800 and it seems to work fine (at maximum telephoto - which is
what the 8800 defaults to when the tele-extender option is selected
in the menu). Does anyone know if the 8800 was supposed to work
with the 5700 TC-E15ED and UR-E8? I guess I'm a bit surprised
(pleasantly). Thanks much

Duncan

DonShye · Jan 1, 2005

Duncan,

With the UR-E8 and the TC-E15ED you have to attach the adaptor directly to the camera lens instead of the outer barrel. This may add undue weight on the lens and possibly damage the zooming mechanism unless you are careful enough to always support the TC-E15ED with your hand when it is attached to the 8800.

Don

MakingWaves said:
MakingWaves said:

I just tried the TC-E15ED with UR-E8 adapter (from my 5700) on my
8800 and it seems to work fine (at maximum telephoto - which is
what the 8800 defaults to when the tele-extender option is selected
in the menu). Does anyone know if the 8800 was supposed to work
with the 5700 TC-E15ED and UR-E8? I guess I'm a bit surprised
(pleasantly). Thanks much

Duncan

Click to expand...

GaborSch · Jan 1, 2005

lee lindquist said:
UR-E17 is just an adapter tube. No other pieces.

That's bad. Not for you, because the B-300 is not so heavy, but the Sony is quite heavy (560gr vs. the B-300's 260gr). Though this is 75gr less than the TC-E17ED, that's not much of a difference. Nikon devised a bracket around the adapter tube to fasten to the bottom of the camera (and to the tripod). Obviously, the bracket is part of the lens package.

--
Gabor

GaborSch · Jan 1, 2005

DonShye said:
Duncan,

With the UR-E8 and the TC-E15ED you have to attach the adaptor
directly to the camera lens instead of the outer barrel. This may
add undue weight on the lens and possibly damage the zooming
mechanism unless you are careful enough to always support the
TC-E15ED with your hand when it is attached to the 8800.

The TC-E15ED weighs 275gr. My teleconverter weigs about 230gr, and I don't like it on the lens; it's very obviously too heavy. I rather don't use it.

Supporting it with the hand is not a real option IMO. We are talking about 600mm focal length. To get a sharp image, especially with an add-on lens, one needs to work with very small aperture and longer exposure time. Even VR does not help with 1/2 second or so, one needs tripod, and remote control.

The TC-E17ED lens is much heavier, but it hangs on the lens barrel, not on the lens. I guess Nikon had some reason to put a bracket around the adapter tube and fasten that bracket to the tripod.

GaborSch · Jan 1, 2005

I wanted to ask: where did you buy it and for how much?
--
Gabor

lee lindquist · Jan 3, 2005

GaborSch said:
I wanted to ask: where did you buy it and for how much?

Provantage has it for $17.07
$25.95 at B&H

I'm sorry, I don't recall where I bought it. I think
I just threw it in with some other online purchase.

GaborSch · Jan 3, 2005

lee lindquist said:
Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

I received the answer to my question re the UR-E17's thread size from Nikon Europe:

"Unfortunately we don't have the specification of the thread size. However, the UR-E17 serves exclusively to accomodate the TC-E17ED".

Nikon is an unbelievable bunch of amateurs. Previously I asked if the 8800-speficic filters have a front thread, the answer was "we don't have any of those filters, and we don't have any specification".

--
Gabor

DonShye · Jan 3, 2005

When Nikon has gone to such great lengths to come up with a proprietary thread size, I wouldn't expect them to release any specifications related to it. Their goal is to thwart people's ability to use third-party accessories so that they have a captive customer base for their more expensive Nikon brand accessories.

I am waiting to see what kind of an adaptor the folks at CKCPower come up with. If it is anything like the one they have for the 8700, it may actually work better than the variable adaptor from Bernie. With a fixed outer sleeve that screws into the lens barrel and a moving inner sleeve with threads to accommodate both the wide angle and telephoto convertor, this adaptor can overcome the one flaw of Bernie's adaptor - which is that you cannot zoom the lens (even accidentally) when the wide angle convertor is attached - the 8800 doesn't lock the zoom in wide position when you select the wide convertor option.

Don

GaborSch said:
lee lindquist said:

Does anyone know what the thread size is between
these two parts: UR-E17 + TC-E17ED

Click to expand...

I received the answer to my question re the UR-E17's thread size
from Nikon Europe:

"Unfortunately we don't have the specification of the thread size.
However, the UR-E17 serves exclusively to accomodate the TC-E17ED".

Nikon is an unbelievable bunch of amateurs. Previously I asked if
the 8800-speficic filters have a front thread, the answer was "we
don't have any of those filters, and we don't have any
specification".

--
Gabor

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