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Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO) taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome sport pictures as well.

Thanks
 
Hi Sonny C. Anyone who has a 10d and takes sports photos can likely show you the photos you request. A more practical question is how likely are you to consistently get those good photos. Since I only have the 10d I cannot compare the two. Also you need to specify just what compromises you'd be making.
e.g. a)10d + 100-400 for daylight soccer
versus
b) 20d+75-300 for daylight soccer

I'd suggest that a) will be superior for that application. You get better ISO and slightly better resolution with the 20d, but the lens will offset the superiority (though I wouldn't call the 100-400 a low light lens).

In a couple of years you'll be getting another camera, so I wouldn't suggest getting a 20d and skimping on glass for a couple of years!

You'll get many suggestions for your needs. You could do a 17-40L for landscape. L, portaits with 50 1.8, 50 1.4, 85 1.8 etc... Then you come to the hard one. Low light sports are hard, even with a dslr. If you want soccer at dusk, indoor soccer or hockey you will likely make compromises (bright prime verus a zoom for example). Specify your sports needs (e.g. for 5 year olds playing soccer a 70-200 f4 will work nicely. I like a larger lens for the bigger fields. Of course one can run around the sidelines with a 50 1.8!).

-Bruce
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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Bruce,
Thanks for the reply.

Yeah, I know with a limited budget I have to compromise. I won't be upgrading the body for a while though so what I get now will probably stay with me for a long time. This is one of the reason that I consider the 20D as well because of its newer technology and some improvements, eventhough the 10D is the best "bang for the buck".

The indoor shooting will be mainly club/amateur volleyball games and once in a while school plays. Outdoor is mostly soccer and pee-wee football.

I know that great(expensive) lenses will do tremendous but I can't afford that so mainly concentrate on middle of the mill that can do the job nicely without having to take out an equity :).

Hopefully someone will post some nice pics of the 10D in these situations.

I know this subject of the 20D vs 10D has been beaten up like a bad rug so I won't get into it :)

Thanks
Bruce Gordon said:
In a couple of years you'll be getting another camera, so I
wouldn't suggest getting a 20d and skimping on glass for a couple
of years!

You'll get many suggestions for your needs. You could do a 17-40L
for landscape. L, portaits with 50 1.8, 50 1.4, 85 1.8 etc... Then
you come to the hard one. Low light sports are hard, even with a
dslr. If you want soccer at dusk, indoor soccer or hockey you will
likely make compromises (bright prime verus a zoom for example).
Specify your sports needs (e.g. for 5 year olds playing soccer a
70-200 f4 will work nicely. I like a larger lens for the bigger
fields. Of course one can run around the sidelines with a 50 1.8!).

-Bruce
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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Sonny, you're not giving enough info for people to help you. I promise you that great photos can be taken with either camera. The question is given a certain budget and photo needs how to maximize the results. You won't have an answer by seeing my good soccer photos. (In fact as I've argued, you can probably learn more by looking at my bad ones -or at least my bad % (LOL) ). If the $s saved by going to the cheaper body will change your lens lineup from poor to good for some specific task, then you'll be better off with the cheaper body. Why not list some of the lineups you're contemplating?

Indoor vollyball/plays can likely be handled best with some sort of prime which needn't be too expensive in any case. Say an 85 1.8. (I'm assuming you can roam around these games and choose your seats in the plays). So In this case a relatively inexpensive lens gets you a lot of bang for the buck. Likely better than an expensive 70-200 zoom 2.8. The IS you could pay dearly for wouldn't help with volleyball anyhow (it could with plays). For the pee/wee football I'm guessing the fields are small and you can run along the sidelines. For that a 200mm reach would be fine. Perhaps the 70-200 f4 zoom would work well.

So I'll create a sample lineup.

20d solution

20d $1500
50mm 1.8 $70 - general purpose and indoor low light
85 1.8 $320 -plays, volleyball

70-200 f4 $580 - pee-wee football, young kid soccer (bigger kids have large fields!)
1gb cf card $100-so you don't have to be shy about taking lots of pics
420 ex flash $180- versatile but not a must
some optech camera strap (I love mine!).
total = $2750

10d solution subtract $400 if new, $700 if used.

The above lineup can be tweaked of course. Perhaps a 35 f2 instead of a 50mm. Put off buying the flash unit. Buy the kit lens to get some wide angle. But the overall logic I stated above remains solid. List the lineups and others can then give an opinion. If the 20d expense will prevent you from getting the 70-200, well that will be obvious and you can then enlist the help of your fellow forum members to mull that over.

You can wait to choose between the 85 1.8 and the 100f2 for indoor shots by using the 70-200 f4, pushing the iso to 3200, and seeing what focal lengths work best for you.

-Bruce
sonny c said:
The indoor shooting will be mainly club/amateur volleyball games
and once in a while school plays. Outdoor is mostly soccer and
pee-wee football.

I know that great(expensive) lenses will do tremendous but I can't
afford that so mainly concentrate on middle of the mill that can do
the job nicely without having to take out an equity :).

Hopefully someone will post some nice pics of the 10D in these
situations.

I know this subject of the 20D vs 10D has been beaten up like a bad
rug so I won't get into it :)

Thanks
Bruce Gordon said:
In a couple of years you'll be getting another camera, so I
wouldn't suggest getting a 20d and skimping on glass for a couple
of years!

You'll get many suggestions for your needs. You could do a 17-40L
for landscape. L, portaits with 50 1.8, 50 1.4, 85 1.8 etc... Then
you come to the hard one. Low light sports are hard, even with a
dslr. If you want soccer at dusk, indoor soccer or hockey you will
likely make compromises (bright prime verus a zoom for example).
Specify your sports needs (e.g. for 5 year olds playing soccer a
70-200 f4 will work nicely. I like a larger lens for the bigger
fields. Of course one can run around the sidelines with a 50 1.8!).

-Bruce
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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http://funshots.smugmug.com/Sports

10D and some with the rebel (70-200 2.8IS and 100-400)

Cal
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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Hi,

ok, I do fast sports in very demanding lighting situations (indoor).
I used the 10D so far and now switched to 20D.

If you want so see pictures, go to http://www.digitalfotografie-rau.de , under Gallery, Events, you can find pictures from 10D (first 3 events) and 20D (German Open).
Mostly shot with ISO 1600 (some 800).
All shot with 70-200 2,8L, set to 2,8 most of the time.

Personally, I can highly recommend the 20D. The noise is very responsive to tools like noiseware. I printed a 20D ISO 1600 in DIN A2 a week ago, and it really looked stunning.

From what you write, the 10D might do very good for you (considering that sport isn't the main subject), though the 20D does perform better. It depends on the actual lighting conditions that you will shoot in and the kind of sport (speed) you wan't to shoot.

IF you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask ;)

--
Raimund Rau
 
Oh, I forgot, for best comparison, the first pic from the "German Open" event (top left, titled "Oliver Stein") was shot from a collegue with a 10D.

It was processed with the same Noiseware removal tool with same settings as the rest of the pictures (20D).

So, with equal lighting conditions and post processing, that might be the best comparision you can get ;)

Hope you like what you see.

--
Raimund Rau
 
Hey sonny,

Here is my website, with all the sports stuff shot with the 10d on iso 200/400 and either the 28-135iS or the 90-300 canon plastic mount el cheaperoony lens.

http://www.brucelloyd.com

sport - http://www.brucelloyd.com/nena_nefl_menu.htm

i live in a valley where the afternoons get pretty dark thru winter, which is when all of the football and netball shots were taken.

i know some of the links on the site are broke - but i dont have time to fix them just now.

hope this helps,
bruce.
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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'If it weren't for electricity we'd all be photoshopping by candlelight.'
 
Here's a rock band at a local pub. This is about as low-light as it gets.
No flash, no spotlight. This is just standard stage lighting.

1/125th. I think this shot was with a 50mm f1.4 lens at f2 or f2.5, ISO 400. I could print this at 16x24 or 20x30 without batting an eye. In fact, I could probably go larger and it'd still look good without any more work in photoshop. That image is cropped about a 1/2 inch on either side.

http://photoguy.smugmug.com/gallery/272310/1/10780167

I'm shooting into a stage at 1/125th, in Av, with either an f2.8 zoom or a 50mm f1.4. f2.8, I don't get a lot of choice on ISO... usually ISO 800. With the 50mm f1.4, I can go ISO 400 and get more shutter speed, or stop down and keep shutter the same. f1.8 to f2 is very good.

I shot a lot of baseball/softball this summer, and also did some major league baseball (from the stands) The 10D is great. You need lenses. Lenses are the most important part. I have a 70-200 f2.8 IS, fast AF is key.

Here's a B-25 at an airshow. 10D, 70-200 f2.8 IS, I cropped an inch or 2 on either side. I don't have any sports pics up right now. But if you go through http://www.pbase.com/ and do some searches, you'll find a lot of great stuff.

http://www.pbase.com/yikz/image/29489648/large

Good luck.
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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' We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. '
  • George Orwell
 
Low light is a relative term. ISO 1600 did okay for me on a graduation day event. IMO the shots would have turned out better for larger prints if I had a tele zoom and thus the shots not cropped so much.

Here's a few with my 24-70L but we were quite a ways back.
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp/jeans_grad_party

Overall, the 10D does quite well. Low light focus and what not has never been a problem. The only issue is that ISO 1600 may yield prints of say 5x7 but not much more....unless the shots are well exposed.

Lots of folks have used it for concert shots that turned out much better than my few samples.

You'll enjoy the 10D. My advice, is if it is a $500 or more delta, go 10D.
sonny c said:
The indoor shooting will be mainly club/amateur volleyball games
and once in a while school plays. Outdoor is mostly soccer and
pee-wee football.

I know that great(expensive) lenses will do tremendous but I can't
afford that so mainly concentrate on middle of the mill that can do
the job nicely without having to take out an equity :).

Hopefully someone will post some nice pics of the 10D in these
situations.

I know this subject of the 20D vs 10D has been beaten up like a bad
rug so I won't get into it :)

Thanks
Bruce Gordon said:
In a couple of years you'll be getting another camera, so I
wouldn't suggest getting a 20d and skimping on glass for a couple
of years!

You'll get many suggestions for your needs. You could do a 17-40L
for landscape. L, portaits with 50 1.8, 50 1.4, 85 1.8 etc... Then
you come to the hard one. Low light sports are hard, even with a
dslr. If you want soccer at dusk, indoor soccer or hockey you will
likely make compromises (bright prime verus a zoom for example).
Specify your sports needs (e.g. for 5 year olds playing soccer a
70-200 f4 will work nicely. I like a larger lens for the bigger
fields. Of course one can run around the sidelines with a 50 1.8!).

-Bruce
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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-tim
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 
Buy the 20D for the AF. My 10D misses some sports shots because of start of time and AF. Buy what you need and do not look at the extra $$$$$, like I have done so many times in the past.

Jbert
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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Here are a couple links to some photos I took at Barber Motor Sports Park. The AMA photos were my first try and they aren't so good. I then read and learned and my second try was during the Rolex series races at the same track. The lighting was very tough because it was very overcast. I think many of them came out OK. I do wish I had a lens that could reach out there. Oh well, it was a lot of fun.
Ben
http://www.pbase.com/bnsutton/barbers
http://www.pbase.com/bnsutton/barbers_rolex_series

 
Do you actually put the camera to sleep while at sports? I leave mine on and turn off the sleep mode, no more problem... As for the AF do you mean too slow or off on the AF. Just curious you may have had a bad one I've heard there were a few out there. I tried the 20D out at the store got the lock up probably 3rd shot but was easy enough to fix but I saw no real difference in AF speed to speak of. As for AF Accuracy I've had the odd OOF shot but not really any more than the D1mk2 I tried out.

Cal
Jbert said:
Jbert
sonny c said:
Hello,

Anyone has pictures of sport fast-action or low-light (high ISO)
taken with the 10D that I can view, or point me to a website.

I'm considering to get a used 10D instead of the 20D and use the
saved money to get a better lens. With the price of used 10D's
today, it's a hard decision.

I mainly will use it for portrait and landscape. However, I'd like
to get into shooting sports with both outdoor and indoor (low
light). Everywhere I've read said the 20D is better for sports, I'd
like to see some pics from the 10D as I'm sure it takes awesome
sport pictures as well.

Thanks
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