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netgarden
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I was so surprised. I didnt get much shooting in this weekend. Guess I can go find some for the exhibition gallery. Yours is nice Melanie.
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Thanks Mike for hosting Challenge 80. I think your topic was a lot
of fun and really inspiring. Before we get to challenge 81, PLEASE
view the C80 results thread at the following link...and
congratulations to all the participants...thanks again, Mike
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=10951667
Challenge 81 Topic: The Landscape in Color
Landscapes are probably one of the most popular subjects to
photograph, and I can't believe that we haven't had this as a topic
yet.
For the purpose of the challenge, landscape photography
concentrates on countryside a natural or man-made landscape or
seascape, people can be included to give a sense of scale.
Landscape includes both scenery and environment but it is
considerably more than either of them, a landscape is not only
about space - it is about time as well. You can only perceive at a
given moment, the time of day the season, the weather are also
important. Mainly it is the unique view of the photographer that
makes a landscape photo special.
Good landscape photos reveal to us what we should have seen but
didn 't. They contain enough recognizable things to pull us in, and
to show us something new.
Right now for most of us the autumn colours are everywhere, so go
out, have fun and bring back some great shots, I'm looking forward
to seeing them
Challenge 81 began at 12AM EST (New York time) on Friday, November
05, 2004. Because of the time differences at the end of the C80
voting period, I'll be setting up the galleries a bit later
today..You'll have two full weekends to obtain images. I'm really
excited to see what you come up with!
GUIDELINES:
These guidelines are meant to help things run smoothly for all...
and to serve as a handy reference to answer common questions.
Thanks for reading all this stuff again:
(Eligible and Exhibition). Each photographer can choose whether to
- Up to three(3) images are allowed in each of the two galleries
enter one or more photos per gallery. This should generally
accomodate everyone's personal style and approach to the
challenges...whatever works best to make the challenge more fun for
you.
asking you to send me an email indicating your identity for any
- You can enter photos anonymously if you want to. If you do, I'm
anonymous entries. My address is in my forum profile.
"critical", feel free to mark the image title with an asterisk ( ).
- Those who prefer to have critiques of their photos be more
of your image thumbnails. It really helps to keep voting problem
- Please put your name(identity choice) and a unique title on each
issues to a minimum.
longest side before uploading to pBase... can be larger if a
- Please resize your images to no larger than 800 pixels on the
panoramic image. This cuts down on too much usage, and it helps to
preserve the quality of your image upload for best viewing.
best response. One of us will address them as soon as possible.
- Please keep your questions and concerns posted in this thread for
Friday, November 5th, 2004, thru Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, at
- Challenge time period will run from 12AM EST (New York time)
midnight EST (New York time). Time tables will be posted in the
galleries. A separate voting thread will be posted shortly after
the end of the Challenge period.
within the challenge time period. The winner of this gallery will
- Eligible images must be taken with a Sony digital camera...&
host the next Challenge. All entries should include a date
indicating when the photo was taken..."exif" data attached would be
ideal(if available). "Exif" data is a big help to a lot of viewers
for a variety of reasons. If the "exif" data is not preserved, try
writing it into your caption (by referring to the original photo's
"exif" data that should be available before doing any photo
processing). At the least, please include the date the photo was
taken on all the eligible photos. This is a popular request...so
I'm passing along your requests here. THANKS, everybody, for your
friendly cooperation.
you do not want to host the next Challenge, this is the gallery you
- Exhibition images can be obtained with any camera at any time. If
should post your images to.
http://www.pbase.com/stfchallenge/root
- Here’s a link to the stfchallenge galleries page:
and sad, that there's hardly a comment on the images on the galleries.
I for one, try very hard to lend a comment on as many images that catch my interest as I can, regardless of WHO took the photograph.
I could care less if there are any comments under my images or not, I participate just fo the fun / sake of participation and inspiration of the theme. Winning is also not a "thing" for me, I could care less if I win or not.... that's why I mostly post only in the exhibition galleries.
I guess this just goes along with my other post the other day of how STF isn't as much fun anymore.
Now I'm going to see replies:
Mark, the galleries have only been up time.
Mark, some of us have a "job"
sorry, poor excuses if you ask me!
Have a great day everyone!
Markjay
Penelope wrote:
I for one, try very hard to lend a comment on as many images that catch my interest as I can, regardless of WHO took the photograph.
I could care less if there are any comments under my images or not, I participate just fo the fun / sake of participation and inspiration of the theme. Winning is also not a "thing" for me, I could care less if I win or not.... that's why I mostly post only in the exhibition galleries.
I guess this just goes along with my other post the other day of how STF isn't as much fun anymore.
Now I'm going to see replies:
Mark, the galleries have only been up time.
Mark, some of us have a "job"
sorry, poor excuses if you ask me!
Have a great day everyone!
Markjay
Penelope wrote:
Mike Fitzgerald
Veteran Member
Yes, you've commented on a sprinkling of images. HOWEVER, re your post "It used to be fun here at STF..." to which you've alluded here, could I ask you, with respect, to consider the following?
• Did you intend it as a harangue or as an invitation to healthy and positive dialogue? You got 74 replies to that post, yet not once did you return to join in the discussion, regardless of how constructive the responses -- and many of them were most constructive -- might have been.
• Would you consider it equally fair for others to therefore see you, in turn, as failing in some presumed responsibility by not returning to the discussion? What's good for the goose, Mark...
• Would you furthermore consider it reasonable for people to ascribe any particular motive, at all, to you for not returning? (see below)
• A single, contentious, initiating post to which the author never once returns generally causes the T word to illuminate very brightly in the sky. Yet that never happened as far as I could see. People recognised your long standing in the forum and respected it.
• If there was just one response in that thread that you should have read (and we have no idea whether or not you did), this one from Ulysses would be it :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=10957271
Assuming that you're using the curious American formation of this [
] that means in effect "I couldn't care less", then I regret to have to differ but you've demonstrated otherwise on more than one occasion.Do you really think that sort of cynicism is going to inspire people -- at least in the direction you want to see it take?
Well that's the thing, you see; nobody did. Firstly, "excuse" doesn't apply since there is no obligation -- stipulated or implied -- on anyone to post comments. And in some challenges run by other forums it doesn't happen at all. Secondly, even for people who'd really like to comment, there are frequently strong and valid reasons why they cannot. And if you were to assume that they never feel awkward or even cut up about it then you'd be dead wrong. I've lost count of the number of people who've expressed genuine feelings of guilt because they've been unable to put as much into a Challenge as they'd have liked, for reasons quite beyond their control.
One piece of advice, "if you ask me" or even if you don't: Don't ascribe motive to anyone for not getting involved when and how you expect them to. In particular, don't ever, ever use the word "bother" in any conjecture about why people might have not done something. It makes me see red like you wouldn't believe, and I can't imagine I'm the only one who takes it that way. You cannot possibly know the reason for another individual's action or inaction.
There's another factor that may apply almost uniquely to this Challenge theme. There's something a bit different about landscapes as a topic, especially when we all get treated to such glorious, relaxing vistas as we've been seeing. Sometimes photographs like these are best just appreciated free of chatter and quiet comtemplation is the ideal mood in which to approach them. I don't think there's much photographic analysis to be done, and relatively few that are marked as actually soliciting critical comment.
Just how many times can you say "Ooh!", "Ahh!", "Wow!" or "Gee whiz!" without starting to feel you're talking in platitudes? This sort of imagery is made for quiet sharing among friends. Absence of comment -- gushing or otherwise -- says nothing about one's fellow photogs' appreciation of them.
Mike
devbobo
Leading Member
Not sure if you noticed but the hitcount wasn't updating for a day or so, only noticed late last night. Fix the problem should be ok now.
David
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David
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My Gallery: http://www.introversion.com.au
Sonny Asehan
Leading Member
What exactly does the hitcount signify? Is this the count the photo was actually opened?
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devbobo
Leading Member
Hi Sonny,
yes, it's the number of times the referenced images has been viewed.
David
David Parry
DSC-F717
My Gallery: http://www.introversion.com.au
yes, it's the number of times the referenced images has been viewed.
David
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DSC-F717
My Gallery: http://www.introversion.com.au
Mike Fitzgerald
Veteran Member
No I hadn't noticed as I've been a bit tied up over the last few days. But thanks for the heads up and I'll be sure to look in on it more frequently to check that it's behaving itself.
Was there something clearly tangible/reproducible that caused it to halt? Capricious bugs are the most frustrating kind ;-)
Mike
Was there something clearly tangible/reproducible that caused it to halt? Capricious bugs are the most frustrating kind ;-)
Mike
devbobo
Leading Member
the root of evil appeared to be a lack of hd space 
as a temporary measure until I got my notebook up and running again, I copied some files onto that machine without much regard for disk space. It was kinda weird, it still have some disk space and I could run the script manually but it wouldn't run as a scheduled task.
David
David Parry
DSC-F717
My Gallery: http://www.introversion.com.au
as a temporary measure until I got my notebook up and running again, I copied some files onto that machine without much regard for disk space. It was kinda weird, it still have some disk space and I could run the script manually but it wouldn't run as a scheduled task.
David
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David Parry
DSC-F717
My Gallery: http://www.introversion.com.au
Mike,
as you know from experience, I am NEVER one to avoid responding to post replies. I have been actively responding to post replies for over 2 years here at STF..... mostly in a positive manner I might ad and, ALWAYS encouraging photographers to enjoy the art and encouraging their talents.
That particular thread was posted on one of the busiest weeks I've ever encountered.......
art shows I had to attend,
wedding images to attend to etc. etc.
Surely, you must have been surprised by my lack of replies.... you know me!
I'm not going to defend myself here, Mike. I made a statement of TRUTH. Don't try and trivialize my voluntary commenting on images in the galleries.........
I commented more than ANYONE in that challenge thus far and, I might add that I am almost consistently the one who comments most in the challenges on other photographer images.
So please....... don't tell me I sprinkled comments here and there, that's almost an insult!
Have a great day,
Markjay
Photography allows me the opportunity to share what I see through my viewfinder, with those who can apprecaite the beauty of the world around us.
as you know from experience, I am NEVER one to avoid responding to post replies. I have been actively responding to post replies for over 2 years here at STF..... mostly in a positive manner I might ad and, ALWAYS encouraging photographers to enjoy the art and encouraging their talents.
That particular thread was posted on one of the busiest weeks I've ever encountered.......
art shows I had to attend,
wedding images to attend to etc. etc.
Surely, you must have been surprised by my lack of replies.... you know me!
I'm not going to defend myself here, Mike. I made a statement of TRUTH. Don't try and trivialize my voluntary commenting on images in the galleries.........
I commented more than ANYONE in that challenge thus far and, I might add that I am almost consistently the one who comments most in the challenges on other photographer images.
So please....... don't tell me I sprinkled comments here and there, that's almost an insult!
Have a great day,
Markjay
--Yes, you've commented on a sprinkling of images. HOWEVER, re your
post "It used to be fun here at STF..." to which you've alluded
here, could I ask you, with respect, to consider the following?
• Did you intend it as a harangue or as an invitation to healthy
and positive dialogue? You got 74 replies to that post, yet not
once did you return to join in the discussion, regardless of how
constructive the responses -- and many of them were most
constructive -- might have been.
• Would you consider it equally fair for others to therefore see
you, in turn, as failing in some presumed responsibility by not
returning to the discussion? What's good for the goose, Mark...
• Would you furthermore consider it reasonable for people to
ascribe any particular motive, at all, to you for not returning?
(see below)
• A single, contentious, initiating post to which the author never
once returns generally causes the T word to illuminate very
brightly in the sky. Yet that never happened as far as I could see.
People recognised your long standing in the forum and respected it.
• If there was just one response in that thread that you should
have read (and we have no idea whether or not you did), this one
from Ulysses would be it :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=10957271
Assuming that you're using the curious American formation of this [
have to differ but you've demonstrated otherwise on more than one
occasion.
Do you really think that sort of cynicism is going to inspire
people -- at least in the direction you want to see it take?
Well that's the thing, you see; nobody did. Firstly, "excuse"
doesn't apply since there is no obligation -- stipulated or implied
-- on anyone to post comments. And in some challenges run by other
forums it doesn't happen at all. Secondly, even for people who'd
really like to comment, there are frequently strong and valid
reasons why they cannot. And if you were to assume that they
never feel awkward or even cut up about it then you'd be dead
wrong. I've lost count of the number of people who've expressed
genuine feelings of guilt because they've been unable to put as
much into a Challenge as they'd have liked, for reasons quite
beyond their control.
One piece of advice, "if you ask me" or even if you don't: Don't
ascribe motive to anyone for not getting involved when and how you
expect them to. In particular, don't ever, ever use the word
"bother" in any conjecture about why people might have not done
something. It makes me see red like you wouldn't believe, and I
can't imagine I'm the only one who takes it that way. You cannot
possibly know the reason for another individual's action or
inaction.
There's another factor that may apply almost uniquely to this
Challenge theme. There's something a bit different about landscapes
as a topic, especially when we all get treated to such glorious,
relaxing vistas as we've been seeing. Sometimes photographs like
these are best just appreciated free of chatter and quiet
comtemplation is the ideal mood in which to approach them. I don't
think there's much photographic analysis to be done, and relatively
few that are marked as actually soliciting critical comment.
Just how many times can you say "Ooh!", "Ahh!", "Wow!" or "Gee
whiz!" without starting to feel you're talking in platitudes? This
sort of imagery is made for quiet sharing among friends. Absence of
comment -- gushing or otherwise -- says nothing about one's fellow
photogs' appreciation of them.
Mike
Photography allows me the opportunity to share what I see through my viewfinder, with those who can apprecaite the beauty of the world around us.
Jose Noway
Senior Member
Mark, I just checked the Eligible gallery and considering that you've commented on only two of the images there.... and one of them after you spouted off, I'd say Mike's use of the word "sprinkling" was generous.
Go back to read and really take in what Mike had to say. He's right about every bit of it.
Nancy
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Go back to read and really take in what Mike had to say. He's right about every bit of it.
Nancy
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Mike,
as you know from experience, I am NEVER one to avoid responding to
post replies. I have been actively responding to post replies for
over 2 years here at STF..... mostly in a positive manner I might
ad and, ALWAYS encouraging photographers to enjoy the art and
encouraging their talents.
That particular thread was posted on one of the busiest weeks I've
ever encountered.......
art shows I had to attend,
wedding images to attend to etc. etc.
Surely, you must have been surprised by my lack of replies.... you
know me!
I'm not going to defend myself here, Mike. I made a statement of
TRUTH. Don't try and trivialize my voluntary commenting on images
in the galleries.........
I commented more than ANYONE in that challenge thus far and, I
might add that I am almost consistently the one who comments most
in the challenges on other photographer images.
So please....... don't tell me I sprinkled comments here and
there, that's almost an insult!
Have a great day,
Markjay
I have commented on at least 12 - 15 images........
more than anyone else has to date in the galleries and,
certainly more than YOU have, Mike
Healthy and positive dialogue is ALWAYS my goal, with the ocassional misunderstood being the usual response to my posts. Now may I ask you, did you intend THIS post of yours as a harangue to me?
There is NO presumed responsibility on my part, Mike. My post is what it is.
In fact if not for your post here, I would not be replying.......
I told you, it's not fun here anymore.
And with that, I bid you goodnight and good luck.
Markjay
There are TWO galleries, smarty pants!!
Did you bother to look? How many images have YOu commented on.
I have commented on at least 12-15 images in BOTH galleries combined and.......... that's more than you can say for anyone else.
I don't have to ANSWER to any of you on how many images I do or don't comment on. I comment on them because I enjoy doing so.
The point of my post was.......
hardly ANYbody was commeting on the images.
So go sprinkle yourself
Markjay
Did you bother to look? How many images have YOu commented on.
I have commented on at least 12-15 images in BOTH galleries combined and.......... that's more than you can say for anyone else.
I don't have to ANSWER to any of you on how many images I do or don't comment on. I comment on them because I enjoy doing so.
The point of my post was.......
hardly ANYbody was commeting on the images.
So go sprinkle yourself
Markjay
Jose Noway
Senior Member
I see you still haven't re-read Mike's post.
Nancy
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Nancy
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There are TWO galleries, smarty pants!!
Did you bother to look? How many images have YOu commented on.
I have commented on at least 12-15 images in BOTH galleries
combined and.......... that's more than you can say for anyone else.
I don't have to ANSWER to any of you on how many images I do or
don't comment on. I comment on them because I enjoy doing so.
The point of my post was.......
hardly ANYbody was commeting on the images.
So go sprinkle yourself
Markjay
who can argue or even attempt rebuttle to the comments you've made in response to mine.
You have a way of making everything look sensible....
from YOUR point of view.
Sorry I got a little testy regarding your mention of my only having "sprinkled" a few comments in the galleries but, history shows I'm one of heaviest contributors to the challenges as far as feedback / comments goes. I do it because I enjoy it and enjoy helping others.... even if they don't necessarily see it as "help".
Night,
Markjay
You have a way of making everything look sensible....
from YOUR point of view.
Sorry I got a little testy regarding your mention of my only having "sprinkled" a few comments in the galleries but, history shows I'm one of heaviest contributors to the challenges as far as feedback / comments goes. I do it because I enjoy it and enjoy helping others.... even if they don't necessarily see it as "help".
Night,
Markjay
Mike Fitzgerald
Veteran Member
Mark, if you re-read my post (as Nancy has already suggested too) you'll find that I never alleged otherwise or even came remotely near doing so.
I merely considered how others might view your lack of response to the other thread -- which they are perfectly entitled to do -- especially given that 5 days have elapsed since it got any attention from you (and we also need to consider newbies who wot not of your posting style or history). And I then asked you whether you would see such views as reasonable. For example you're on record as bleating at least a couple of times about having been "ignored" after nobody has responded to one of your posts within 20 or 30 minutes.
You set the standard with that demand for attention and activity, and you've now carried it over preemptively into Penelope's thread. The wisdom of that move I'm not going to comment on further, other than to say it's unfortunate that it has dumped Penelope and everyone else right between a rock and a hard place, not at all helped by the fact that Penelope's last Challenge got a bit contentious, too, through absolutely no fault of her own. She just happened to be presiding over a Challenge at a time when moves to restore the multiple-entry convention really had to be addressed. She inevitably will have taken personally some of the discussion that ensued, which is a great pity because all she was trying to do, as a new host, was accommodate what she assumed was some kind of existing consensus.
And now here we go again with her Challenge becoming the whipping post for something that should really have been taken up in its own separate thread. Part of me wanted to just shut up; the other part needed to try and take the potential heat of discussion off the host. Apologies to Penelope for the mood that's ensued, but I'm afraid you set the standard, as noted, and you can't object to being held to what really boils down to the same standard.
The last thing I was looking to do was criticise you for lack of comment (either here or in PBase) in general. Indeed you've been known to bubble over with so much snap, crackle and pop that you've made Rice Bubbles look like cold porridge. That was the fun Mark who can drive us nuts, though in a nice way, with his enthusiasm -- an enthusiasm and motivation that I know we'd all far rather see than the negative one that's seems to be on the prowl at the moment.
Well looky looky, Virginia, there really IS such a thing as a reasonable excuse!
)Yes I was, and I do! ;-)Surely, you must have been surprised by my lack of replies.... you
know me!
Oh c'mon Mark. I wasn't out to call the play in a peeing contest, let alone start one, and you know it.
A pretty liberal misquote, which is closer than almost likewise.
I sincerely hope that wasn't uttered in anything resembling a New York accent! The safest felicitation I can offer is to simply return it in whichever guise it was intended ;-))
Mike
Jose Noway
Senior Member
Penelope wrote:
Andy Williams
Forum Pro
mark
i'm not sure what's up with you lately, hope this is just a temporary thing. i have stayed away from the challenges but i enjoy viewing them, and commenting when and where i can.
mark, there are no points awarded for number of comments given to the entries. and honestly, i don't really care how many comments you've given - it's irrelavent. furthermore, i agree wholeheartedly with mike fitz, who are you to judge or know what people's motivations are, or what their time constraints are?
this sort of complaining doesn't really help the overall situation much now, does it? a much better way, is to lead by example, and turn things into a positive situation rather than a rant and whine session.
too bad we cannot rewind the tape, maybe it could have gone like this:
"y'know, there are some really fine works showing in the challenge galleries - i'd encourage folks to get on over there and take a look. there are some new faces, too ... it'd be nice if we gave them some encouragement by commenting on the photos, i myself have been trying to do it as much as possible - this is after all how we all learn to become better.... i always got a boost from folks that took the time to acknowledge my entry with a comment, and i also learned a ton from those who took even a bit more time and offered suggestions for improvement or critique in general..."
non-confrontational, but suggestive at the same time, eh? instead, we got the second "pooping on" by you inside of a week. stf deserves better, mark, and in particular, the folks that are participating in the challenges deserve better, too.
personally, i'd rather see folks give one comment that they spent five minutes on, helping someone with a ( ) who is really looking for critique, rather than a dozen "nice photo" or "wow! stunning!" sorts of comments.
my .02
andy
i'm not sure what's up with you lately, hope this is just a temporary thing. i have stayed away from the challenges but i enjoy viewing them, and commenting when and where i can.
mark, there are no points awarded for number of comments given to the entries. and honestly, i don't really care how many comments you've given - it's irrelavent. furthermore, i agree wholeheartedly with mike fitz, who are you to judge or know what people's motivations are, or what their time constraints are?
this sort of complaining doesn't really help the overall situation much now, does it? a much better way, is to lead by example, and turn things into a positive situation rather than a rant and whine session.
too bad we cannot rewind the tape, maybe it could have gone like this:
"y'know, there are some really fine works showing in the challenge galleries - i'd encourage folks to get on over there and take a look. there are some new faces, too ... it'd be nice if we gave them some encouragement by commenting on the photos, i myself have been trying to do it as much as possible - this is after all how we all learn to become better.... i always got a boost from folks that took the time to acknowledge my entry with a comment, and i also learned a ton from those who took even a bit more time and offered suggestions for improvement or critique in general..."
non-confrontational, but suggestive at the same time, eh? instead, we got the second "pooping on" by you inside of a week. stf deserves better, mark, and in particular, the folks that are participating in the challenges deserve better, too.
personally, i'd rather see folks give one comment that they spent five minutes on, helping someone with a ( ) who is really looking for critique, rather than a dozen "nice photo" or "wow! stunning!" sorts of comments.
my .02
andy
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