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Kerry Pierce said:
Here's a shot of another d70 user after reading the 20d review.
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I simply do not understand why you are so upset. You own a fabulous Nikon D70, and your self-portrait is taken withe the excellent 80-400mm ED VR, yet you are throwing a hissey fit.

Are you seriously saying that you think that the New Canon will give you better pictures than those that you are achieving now or have achieved since you took ownership of the D70? Plus DO YOU REALLY WANT TO JOIN THE CANON FORUM!!

Be thankful that you have what you have, and give some thought to all those photographers out there who would love a D70, yet cannot afford one, let alone the lenses you use. This "The other man's grass is always greener" syndrome is total b* ks.

The D70 is my first Dslr after 40 years of using Nikon and Leicas and I do not as yet think I have reached 50% of its potential. When I feel that I have learnt almost all there is to learn and reached the limit of its potential then I will consider upgrading. Until then I will continue to use my D70 and bask in the fact that I am lucky enough to own on of the best Dslr's for its price that has so far been produced.

Bw. Bob F England.
 
Bob F. said:
Kerry Pierce said:
Here's a shot of another d70 user after reading the 20d review.
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I simply do not understand why you are so upset. You own a
fabulous Nikon D70, and your self-portrait is taken withe the
excellent 80-400mm ED VR, yet you are throwing a hissey fit.
Are you seriously saying that you think that the New Canon will
give you better pictures than those that you are achieving now or
have achieved since you took ownership of the D70? Plus DO YOU
REALLY WANT TO JOIN THE CANON FORUM!!
Be thankful that you have what you have, and give some thought to
all those photographers out there who would love a D70, yet cannot
afford one, let alone the lenses you use. This "The other man's
grass is always greener" syndrome is total b* ks.
The D70 is my first Dslr after 40 years of using Nikon and Leicas
and I do not as yet think I have reached 50% of its potential. When
I feel that I have learnt almost all there is to learn and reached
the limit of its potential then I will consider upgrading. Until
then I will continue to use my D70 and bask in the fact that I am
lucky enough to own on of the best Dslr's for its price that has so
far been produced.

Bw. Bob F England.
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We don't appreciate that kind of language here, sorry '
 
The D70 is close to 1 year older than the 20D and considerably less expensive as aimed at an upper market segment. And, remember, the D70 is still unbeated on features like flash sync (1/500) and metering (Canon's is way inferior to Nikon's).

Moreover, if you are referring to the Dpreview D20 review, I really did not visually spot any killer difference between the D70 and the 20D, particulalry taking into account Canon's better noise performance and the extra 2 Mp's.

As I already pointed out elsewhere, the D70 successor released in 2006 (a bit later than 300D's) is likely to be in the 10 / 12 Mp area, and will put to shame for sure any currently existing camera close to its market segment - even the prodigious 20D.

Digicams get old very fast in this market environment - nothing is expected to stay on top for more than six months.

My current rule is: keep shooting with the D70, concentrate on lenses equipment-wise, and upgrade only when a 2x performance jump is tangibly perceived (keeping in mind that lens assets would dictate the upgrade path).

Just my opinion.

Ciao,

M
Kerry Pierce said:
Here's a shot of another d70 user after reading the 20d review.

Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6D ED VR AF
1/400s f/5.6 at 400.0mm

http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/image/29894550
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my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
or mostly Nikon d-70 shots
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/d70
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Greets from Rome

Mauro
 
Unless you just bought a D70 in the last 20 seconds and had the extra beans to have bought the 20D then why fret?

These forum need more blind tests with 2 cameras compared and everyone to go at it with their handbags before the true identities are revealed. I bet loads of people would get it wrong. Take a look at the other 20D comments in a separate thread with 2 shots side by side. I bet most people thought the right hand pics were from the oh so superior 20D - and some commented to that effect.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10945639

Both shots are from the D70, maybe not the same one, I don't know, and certainly different results, but both with a D70. It hints that a well set up D70 will outperform a so so set up 20D - and a well set up 20D will outperform any D70 in most cases. Its fun comparing the kit and ogling over new features and price/quality issues, but its your pictures that count.

There are two kinds of photographers, just get out there and concentrate on what you're pointing it at and when you push the button, that's what makes the difference between a good photo and a bad one.

Think of it like riding bikes - the more you pay the better bike you get, but when it comes to a race there's nothing more satisfying than beating a high tech rig worth 4 times your own.
 
I just purchased the D70 a few weeks ago, yes the 20D was out and available (but hard to find). I was not able to compare them side by side. So while I like the feel of the D70 over the 10D, I cannot make any comparisons to the 20D.

For me it came down with price, reputation, perceived value and features. I didn't need everyhting the 20D offered. This was my firsst dSLR and I wanted to make a wise investment, I felt the Nikon D70 was that. My goal is have this camera of a number of years and its feature set will allow this.

For those who did purchase the 20D, great I'm happy for them, but I couldn't justify the extra cost.

Mike
 
jkjond said:
Unless you just bought a D70 in the last 20 seconds and had the
extra beans to have bought the 20D then why fret?
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I did just buy a D70 and could have afforded the 20D, but after hours (and I dd mean hours) of going through pictures on pbase, my conclusion was this: the D70 is capable of superb results in the hands of a capable user whereas the 20D gives superb results for slightly less capable users.

At the end of the day I decided that the marginal difference in sharpness/noise and the addition of a cable release socket (these being the two things I felt would affect me most) were not worth the extra 400GBP (700USD?). Not to mention that I gain spot metering and an AF assist lamp on the D70 (separate to the built in flash) - which I use both of... I also managed to get one of the AJ Electronics kits at 670GBP, so I can now afford another lens or two to add to my collection (currently got the 18-70 Kit and the Sigma 70-300 Super Macro II APO).
 
bought mine about 4 weeks ago while a long time Canon user was buying a 20D right next to me. The difference in price was not that great and since I did not have any SLR lenses and stuff, I could have easily switched. What kept me here, is the fact that I HAVE had Nikon SLR stuff before, and also the fact that I have always found myself to be the limiting factor in our relationship. Nikon's have always exceeded my expectation and in as such, see no reason to switch.

--
David
Nikon D70 with Sigma 18-125mm and Sigma 70-200 APO HSM
http://www.pbase.com/dusty_d
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Bullocks! It's not as if it's as dirty as the F DASH DASH DASH word. Good response to parent though.

Mike
Bob F. said:
Kerry Pierce said:
Here's a shot of another d70 user after reading the 20d review.
Click to expand...
I simply do not understand why you are so upset. You own a
fabulous Nikon D70, and your self-portrait is taken withe the
excellent 80-400mm ED VR, yet you are throwing a hissey fit.
Are you seriously saying that you think that the New Canon will
give you better pictures than those that you are achieving now or
have achieved since you took ownership of the D70? Plus DO YOU
REALLY WANT TO JOIN THE CANON FORUM!!
Be thankful that you have what you have, and give some thought to
all those photographers out there who would love a D70, yet cannot
afford one, let alone the lenses you use. This "The other man's
grass is always greener" syndrome is total b* ks.
The D70 is my first Dslr after 40 years of using Nikon and Leicas
and I do not as yet think I have reached 50% of its potential. When
I feel that I have learnt almost all there is to learn and reached
the limit of its potential then I will consider upgrading. Until
then I will continue to use my D70 and bask in the fact that I am
lucky enough to own on of the best Dslr's for its price that has so
far been produced.

Bw. Bob F England.
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Los Angeles class said:
I wonder what kind of picture Canon people are going to post after
they go over D90/D200 review ... In fact, I think it's a good news
that 20D is good... we might get CAM 1300 for D90/D200 :D
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I agree. I'd love to see the CAM 1300 on the next gen D200. That would be seriously cool. As for the resulting photo from the review comparisons, dunno. I don't recall seeing anyone in the canon forum with a sense of humor. :-)

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my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
or mostly Nikon d-70 shots
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/d70
 
Bob F. said:
I simply do not understand why you are so upset. You own a
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I'm not. I was poking fun, satire, sarcasm, being the method. :-)
Bob F. said:
Are you seriously saying that you think that the New Canon will
give you better pictures than those that you are achieving now or
have achieved since you took ownership of the D70?
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Absolutely not, nor do I believe that the camera would make any difference to the vast majority of folks that agonize over the 2 cameras, or any other cameras at this level. The differences, at this price point, are simply not significant.
Bob F. said:
Plus DO YOU
REALLY WANT TO JOIN THE CANON FORUM!!
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Now, there's a good point...... ugh.... :-)

Sorry, Bob, that my subtle humor/sarcasm didn't come across to you and the others.

I haven't read the 20d review. I have no interest in the camera. I'm sure that it's a good camera. I'm equally sure that the d70 is a good camera. IMO, the only significant differences relative to the output of the 2 cameras would come from the abilities of the photographer.

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
or mostly Nikon d-70 shots
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/d70
 
The Conqueror said:
I'm very sad and shocked of the 20D review.
I'm going to sucide my self now.
But how?...help me please...

Hanging, jumping, sinking, poisoning ??????? ...;-)
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Dunno... You'll have to read the reviews, examine each method in minute detail, agonize over it for a while, post in the hanging, jumping, sinking and poison forums to get a feel for it and then go to the local suicide store to see how each one feels to you. :-)
The Conqueror said:
If you read the forth paragrapf of Phil's "Overall Conclusion"
there is the truth.
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umm, well, I haven't read the review, so am lacking "the truth" of Phil's words. The truth, for me, is that my next camera will not be a replacement for the d70, but a companion. I have much yet to learn about the art. The d70 is more than capable of producing the images that I want, when I do my part.

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
or mostly Nikon d-70 shots
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/d70
 
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