E10 is great -ongoing appreciation.

Ger Bee · May 14, 2001

Today I had to look back over my digi files right back to the CP900 and a couple of things struck me.

One: the amount of out of focus with the Nikons (900S~990) is staggering - strange that, seeing as I complain so much about the E10! Doh!!

Two: Colour is awful, whilst I do have some beautiful shots the daily bread n butter stuff looks really bad - of course I have no manipulated files archived – just the “from camera” ones but I am so used to the E10 stuff now they mostly look bad.

Third: the overall quality of the photography is improved – yes my pictures actually look better – aesthetically. Don’t really know if that has anything to do with the cameras but I’d suspect so.

Fourth: my volume is up – way up! Don’t know why this is – increased business?? Or am I just shooting more?? But is seems I am prepared to shoot more variety, more often than with the Nikons – that’s my impression.

Now a question for all. Recently my images seems to be a quality notch above my norm – I have done nothing – the same E10 the same flash but exposures and colour are so very near perfect that many files are not being processed at all. Anyone noticed anything like this? Over the weekend – a very busy weekend I commented to my wife that I’d love if ALL my files were as good. The only difference I note is the weather is warmer – any comments?

David T. · May 14, 2001

GerBee,

I don't know if this has anything to do with what you're trying to say but, I changed from a C2500L to an E10 two months ago, and since then I have almost never had to clean up an image in PS. This is mostly studio shots, granted, very controlled, but the chip is MUCH better. Color is better, sharpness is better.(at the same file size.) What you're experiencing might be from all the free shooting you get to do now without having to go to the lab and throw away bunches of slides. I've noticed I'm "practicing" a lot more, and having loads more fun. If ,however, it's because of the warmer weather, you should come visit Texas in about a month when it hits over a hundred degrees, you'd amaze yourself! DavidT

Jaja · May 14, 2001

Hello Ger,

You just found out what I discovered after 2 days "E-10" ...

And that was also using the original files out of the camera without any post-processing.
Remark: the CP990 remains a great camera - no question about that, but ...

1) After reviewing my CP990 shots, there seem to be a lot of "not that sharp" photos between them ... E-10 photos are rarely out of focus and when they are, it's in those difficult situations described in the manual or just my own stupid mistake. I also know now when there's a higher risk for OOF-photos and in that case, I'm extra carefull.

2) The CP990 colours are "screaming" compared to the E-10's, especially regarding the saturation. But that's a thing I immidiatly noticed. Now, that can be a question of personal taste (compare it to the choise of brand of traditional film ...), but the E-10 colours are more 'true'.
That was the first thing that I noticed in the comparision between them.
3) The improvement is a compliment to you ... ;-)

It also can have to do with the E-10's viewfinder. I never used the CP990's viewfinder - allways the LCD screen - and using that for composition isn't that optimal compared to the E-10's great viewfinder.

Having the whole gamma of E-10 lenses also allow me to choose the best one for the job. Yes, it's often a "screwing" job and it requires some strenght of myu shoulder and the Nova 5 bag

, but the results are better having more glass 'to choose'.
4) My E-10's counter is now on 16.000 (since December 1th 2000 ...)

It's not that I shoot and shoot and shoot and choose the best one afterwards. No, I take care of every single image as it was a unique one.

At last: you mastered every little detail of "the beast" and it does exactly what you want it to do ...?
The more I use the E-10, the better my images got and get (I hope?)

If I shoot a certain photo, I already have an 'image in my mind' of how I would like it to be, and I can shoot it just that way now using the E-10 - compared to the CP990

How about that? Does it sounds familiar?

Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com

Alan Bushell · May 14, 2001

As a rank amateur I have seen a great improvement, some is due to the camera, the basic raw quality but for me it has been this and other E-10 forums. The sample pics and tips have given me ideas which, whilst not being new in the photographic world, have shown me many other ways to approach the subject.

All power to the E-10

Alan.

LesDMess · May 14, 2001

As a newbie (E-10 is my first SLR, fourth digiCam) I can honestly say that my pics are improving in quality due to the E-10 directly from its use and indirectly from the contributors of this forum in particular. When there are countless great examples and reviews made on a daily (hourly or better) basis from experienced and amateurs alike it can only get better!
LesDMess

Vance · May 14, 2001

Some one call the Men in Black!!!

Ger Bee has been taken over by alien's from another planet, and they are making him say and do things!!!!

)

All kidding aside. I've noticed my photography has improved quite a bit as well. I think this happens once you become familiar and comfortable with any peice of equipment. You've finally hit the center of the curve, and now it's all just gravy. ;o)

Vance.

Dave B32646 · May 14, 2001

Ger Bee

I think you are on to something here with the weather, what is going to be the difference between the best winter light and the summer light we are now getting, my pictures from Jan/Feb look drab and flat compared to what I was seeing here to the point that I did'nt feel like joining in the fun of E10 day, plus being in a farming area every one is scared stiff that F+M will strike at any time and footpaths all over the place are closed, going back to the E10 though now that there is an improvement in the ambient light the pictures look better colour's seem more vivid straight from the camera, is this possible or am I going ape.

Dave B

Ken Crossen · May 14, 2001

Yep-

The much praised ergonomics really can't be done justice with technical terms. I would say that handling and working with the E10 is a sensual pleasure. Small wonder that such a well loved tool should be so responsive.

I don't own a Miata, but it was immediately obvious to me why women would love Miatas. It just sings to them. The E10 sings to us. Does this make any sense at all?

-Ken

koo22 · May 14, 2001

Not me! I mean, Miatas are "okay", but none ever sang to me. Give me a Porsche 911 Carerra any day....now THAT sings. I also swore a long time ago that I would never drive a station wagon or minivan, and I've kept my word. Then again, I've never been "typical". Sorry this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but speaking of that, your post certainly did make sense, nevertheless! I do think it's the ergonomics and getting used to the E-10 that makes everything better, including our results with it! When you enjoy something, it's fun, and you use it more. When you use it more......you can't help getting better. K.

Nelson Ng · May 15, 2001

Hi GerBee,
Wow!
Those words sounded extra special.

Keep Posting.
Nelson

PS, I suspect the E10 was released at the wrong time, when weather looks dreadful. Now it seems like blue skies are back and everythings so colourful.

Phil Harris · May 15, 2001

I agree ... I had actually started to get a bit worried that I was always going to have drab pics and that I was doing something wrong as all my E10 photos were lacking punch.

We get a couple of good weekends (firstly down in Bournemouth and then last weekend at Brands Hatch) with good light and that punch is back!

In England we have fairly naff light ... even good days aren't all that good usually. It does stand out when we have a really nice day and that is soooo easy to see in the pictures.

Phil

mattmullen · May 15, 2001

Ger Bee,

I am glad that you are now so happy with your E10. You were such a troublemaker early on. There were many of us telling people to just work with the camera as it has a personality that you will get used to ( the old Operator Error argument). I applaud your honesty now but I felt compelled to needle you, I hope you take it goodnaturedly. And to answer your last question yes I am definitely a better photographer now than ever before. As I look at some of my framed photographs in my home I cant believe the results today versus pre E10.
Regards, Matt

Ken Crossen · May 15, 2001

Miata was just an example that came to mind. I imagine we can all think of manufactured objects that just have a certain magic, that certain Je ne sais quoi. There are old woodworking tools that seem to reach for your hand as you pick them up. The feel of these tools is solid, reassuring, eager, can-do from the very first touch. As you come to know them, their power and limitations, you come to love the experience of touching and using these tools. D.H. Lawrence comes to mind when I think about how to express this.

It may be that tools are completely and absolutely inanimate, but I think that raw skill combined with "an eye for images" does not completely explain the magic of Edward Weston photographs, which have to be seen as his original prints to appreciate the full extent Weston's genius. I would say that a photographer must have deep love and respect for both tool and subject to make this kind of magic.

-Ken

Bruce M · May 15, 2001

Ger Bee-

Its amazing what a little sun will do for people's complexion. I got my E-10 in December and thought it produced horrible skin tones, turns out in December in Washington, D.C. everyone has horrible skin tones! At least the E-10 is accurate.

Bruce

F.J.41613 · May 15, 2001

Hmmm, we do have interesting discourse here, don't we?

Well said, Ken, and "je ne sais quoi" is as accurate as one can get with words, I guess. I feel that (not that I'm remotely Zen) one must use implements that you are in "harmony" with. Simply put, a tool that "sings" (admirable way of putting it) to you, reflects in its form, function, and feel your own personal style, abilities, and desires -- giving one an immediate confidence; further refined by use, appreciation, and learning of its "powers and limitations."

I feel that one develops a sort of relationship with one's tools, as you know what to expect, i.e., one trusts one's tools. This cofident, assured relationship inspires us further, and alows us to reach otherwise unattainable heights.

I'd better stop, I think I'm getting a little abstract.

Anyway Ken, as for Lawrence, (he'd consider me a "grey nag in a paddock") I wouldn't have thought of the connection, but I do see what you mean -- novel.

Koo, aint it great not to be "typical?" Life would then be such a bore.

Be well, take pics. enjoy life

Signed,
The overly sentimental F.J.

P.S. 1989 Jaguar XJS, and '63 'Vette coupes sing to me!

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