Point & Shoot VS SLR

Steve Scott

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I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right. Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
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Steve
 
Can you post some samples from each camera that illustrate what you're describing? I think you'd get more comments if we had something to look at.

--John
I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
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Steve
 
I was watching King of the Jungle on the Animal Planet network where contestants had different challenges with the outcome being their own show. One challenge was taking pictures with a Nikon slr. The judge was a professional animal photographer... he said he uses some automatic settings something like 99% of the time...I was surprised.

http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/koj/episode/episode_season2.html
I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
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Steve
 
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I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
--
Steve
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I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
--
Steve
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Rudi
My Favorites: http://www.pbase.com/rudiman/my_favorites
Alaskan Cruise 2004: http://www.pbase.com/rudiman/alaska
Everything in my galleries, God Made. Its just my job to show them.
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Steve
 
Steve,

The Canons do an amazing job of getting the color and white balance close to perfect. The fact that you are shooting RAW though means that you have to learn how to do what the software in the little Canon is doing. RAW isn't easy and based on what convertor you use, it can be even harder. There are no exact, fixed settings in RAW convertors that correspond to the JPEG output scenario. It's all up to you but there is a lot of specific info on each convertor that can get you an idea of how they work and then it's a matter of experience from there.

Also, you don't mention what lenses or what type of color management your are using. Both play an important role in determining output comparisons.
Regards,
VG
I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
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Steve
 
that with enough effort I can acheive those results. I'm willing to do the footwork. I shoot with a Nikon D70 usually a 24-120 vr lens in srgb. I usually start out in Nikon Capture and then sometimes go to ps7. I'll start trying a little harder.
I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
--
Steve
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Steve
 
Steve,

If you are using capture, you should be able to come up with almost exactly what you want by playing some with the curves, with the white balance, with lightness/chroma curves, and for added saturation, that little color booster slider. I have a ton of shots using that same lens, and the D70, and am very please almost all the time. Do you play with the settings on your camera, too? What's funny is that I also have a little Canon A80 which I won on Steve's site, and although I like it, my taste is that the colors are too saturated and don't really look as we see them with a naked eye. It's all personal preference.

Also, after bringing the photo in PS, a little quick trick is to apply unsharp mask at about 18, 50, 0 and you can see just enough difference. I usually only do this, though, after I convert to .jpg for web.

In my PBase galleries, the last gallery is full of shots from a recent fire in the area. I didn't do much to them, other than some sharpening and a little curves. The gallery of my grandson, 4-5 mo, also, are mostly shot with that lens and the D70. I have the D100, too, and actually am beginning to prefer the D70.

Best of luck, it IS an awesome camera.

Marilu
I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
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Steve
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Steve
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It sounds like I should be sharpening "after" converting to jpeg. I really hate to see the degradation of the images after I convert. Will it help to avoid sharpening until it's a jpeg? I've been using auto sharpening in the D70. Maybe I should change that as well.
If you are using capture, you should be able to come up with almost
exactly what you want by playing some with the curves, with the
white balance, with lightness/chroma curves, and for added
saturation, that little color booster slider. I have a ton of
shots using that same lens, and the D70, and am very please almost
all the time. Do you play with the settings on your camera, too?
What's funny is that I also have a little Canon A80 which I won on
Steve's site, and although I like it, my taste is that the colors
are too saturated and don't really look as we see them with a naked
eye. It's all personal preference.

Also, after bringing the photo in PS, a little quick trick is to
apply unsharp mask at about 18, 50, 0 and you can see just enough
difference. I usually only do this, though, after I convert to
.jpg for web.

In my PBase galleries, the last gallery is full of shots from a
recent fire in the area. I didn't do much to them, other than some
sharpening and a little curves. The gallery of my grandson, 4-5
mo, also, are mostly shot with that lens and the D70. I have the
D100, too, and actually am beginning to prefer the D70.

Best of luck, it IS an awesome camera.

Marilu
I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
--
Steve
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Steve
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http://www.pbase.com/canyonlu/galleries
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Steve
 
Steve,

I bring the NEF into Capture, adjust white bal if needed, then do the Advanced Raw....usually just lighten 'cause I tend to deliberately underexpose....then I sharpen there, because it works beautifully. Then I do the lighten, chroma, hue if needed, then I crop and resize, then save as TIFF. If I don't think I want to do anything else with the pic, I save as jpg. THEN I bring it into PS and do whatever else I think needs doing. Then I resave the TIFF, and then resize to 72 dpi bicubic sharper, then save as .jpg. I use that tip I mentioned only afterI have resized to 72 dpi for web or email use. Sometimes it's not necessary. I love my shots after Capture, but cannot resist going into PS just to see if I can do more.

Marilu
If you are using capture, you should be able to come up with almost
exactly what you want by playing some with the curves, with the
white balance, with lightness/chroma curves, and for added
saturation, that little color booster slider. I have a ton of
shots using that same lens, and the D70, and am very please almost
all the time. Do you play with the settings on your camera, too?
What's funny is that I also have a little Canon A80 which I won on
Steve's site, and although I like it, my taste is that the colors
are too saturated and don't really look as we see them with a naked
eye. It's all personal preference.

Also, after bringing the photo in PS, a little quick trick is to
apply unsharp mask at about 18, 50, 0 and you can see just enough
difference. I usually only do this, though, after I convert to
.jpg for web.

In my PBase galleries, the last gallery is full of shots from a
recent fire in the area. I didn't do much to them, other than some
sharpening and a little curves. The gallery of my grandson, 4-5
mo, also, are mostly shot with that lens and the D70. I have the
D100, too, and actually am beginning to prefer the D70.

Best of luck, it IS an awesome camera.

Marilu
I've had my D70 for 6 months and I ablsolutely love it. There are
many things I can do with it that I could never dream of with a
point and shoot. However, I have a little Cannon A80 that I keep
in the car for work, and many times I like the images out of it
better than my D70. I have tried everything to emulate the
richness from the little point and shoot and it just seems crazy
that I can't do it. It seems like there ought to be a setting that
does just that. I shoot RAW and I sharpen, adjust white balance
and levels, but when I try to saturate colors it never looks right.
Of coures I'm getting many great shots, but a good portion are
missing the pop I can get from the little cannon. Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
--
Steve
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Steve
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Steve
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Steve Scott wrote:
Do I just need
more experience, or are my tastes in photography amateurish?
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Steve
My dad is using a lil digi point and shoot and consistently gets better pics than me with my expensive slr. It's because he's a photographer and knows that there is so much more to photography than the camera. I bought mine not only to learn more and do more but to loan to him XD

I've no doubt the photographer will make good with whatever they use, after all one of my most succuessful shots was using a ditigal camera so old that it uses floppy disks!

I'm the amaeture! lol... if you can get consistently good shots from any old camera that makes you a bit more of a pro lol XD

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