D70 problems and the *istDS

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Hi Everyone,

I've been a casual amateur photographer since about 1981 and have owned Pentax film cameras since i bought the ME Super in 1981. Over the last couple of years I've found myself becoming more interested in photography as a serious hobby due to the devlopment and falling prices of digital cameras. So late last March I bought Nikon's D70 with the kit lens. (First person to have one in Columbia, MO too!) I really wanted to buy a Pentax digital SLR, but the initial prices for the *istD were just to high to justify for me. The D70 has been terrific--with one major exception: for no apparent reason it begins to flash an "F--" message and the camera locks up completely. This message is supposed to mean that the camera cannot detect a CPU lens, but this happens with both the kit lens and the Nikon 50mm F1.8. Although the camera always seems to return to normal by the next day, this is obviously unacceptable performance, so I made a warranty claim through the camera store in Columbia where I bought it, and it spent all of August (exactly four weeks) at Nikon's service center. Unfortuntely, they failed to fix the problem, for about 10 days after I got the camera back, the flashing "F--" returned and locked the camera. At this point I asked for a new camera body from the store where I bought it, and they agreed that I should have one. However, Nikon balked, and said it should be sent back to their service center again. Having little bargaining power in this situation, I agreed, and that's where it is along with both the kit lens and 50mm F1.8 Nikon lens (the problem happens with both lenses as well as with my Sigma 55-200). It has been back at their service center for two weeks now, and I am sure it will be there for at least another two weeks.

I know there probably isn't a dry eye in the house at this point (!), but my problems with the D70 have gotten me thinking about a different digital SLR. The D70 is, by my standards, a large (volume) and heavy camera, especially with the kit lense attached. And I've taken it with me on two trips so far this year, once to Oregon and a second time to England and France. What has struck me is how much doing so leads to me focus on photography throughout the trips, and this seems to put things a bit out of balance. I want to see and experience places, not just photograph them. So my thinking is that what I want for traveling is a small digital SLR which I take with me and with it I would take but a single lens, probably a wide-angle to short telephoto one given the type of photography I do. (I'verethought getting a prosumer model like the Olympus 8080, but I've decided not to got that route, mainly because of the image quality issue, including the ability to use higher ISO settings with a digital SLR because the larger sensors on digital SLRs handle noise much better.)

This seems to leave me with two options: the new Olympus E-300 (Evolt) or the Pentax *istDS. The Pentax is the smaller of the two in both volume (mainly about an inch narrower) and weight, and it may end up being the less expensive of the two cameras. Olympus hasn't released its pricing yet, but Amazon, PC and Mac Mall have the Pentax body for $900, and the body + kit lens (the new 18-55) for $1,000. I wish the Pentax prices were about $100 less, but they still seem doable. The Olympus seems like a potentially very good camera, but I do own some Pentax glass (a 100-300 zoom and the old 50mm 2.0 prime lens that I bought with the ME Super. I do like the idea of the AA or CV-3 batteries as the power source since they, especially the double A's, are available everywhere, and on a trip, especially out of the country, I could spend my time thinking about other things than keeping my proprietary batteries charged. The only thing I really don't like about the *istDS is the shift to SD storage media (I've got a lot of compact flash cards). Fortunately, the prices on both Compact Flash and SD media seem to be in free fall right now (SD looks to be about 10-15% more expensive, at least in my shopping area), so that wouldn't be a major factor.

Anyway, I'm writing just to see if any of you who frequent this forum would be willing to comment on this situation, and the idea of downsizing my camera gear for major travel (to use a materially smaller SLR and lens). I would certainly welcome your thoughts. By the way, the problem with the D70 is apparently very rare but not unique to me. If you check the D70 forum and search for it, you will find a few short threads about it, but so far only something like 5-10 people seem to have experienced it. Too bad. It's a great camera; I just had the bad luck to get a lemon.

--
Al
 
Al

I have owned one SLR, the ME Super (since 1983) and only recentrly has it given up through dozens of trips and thousands of kilometers of travelling. It is only now with the lower priced IstDS that I can now afford to get into digital photography. It is also the fact that the Canon and Nikon offerings are so large physically that I have hesitated. It is only because my ME Super lasted so long and so well that I am considering a Pentax!
Chris
 
Al
I have owned one SLR, the ME Super (since 1983) and only recentrly
has it given up through dozens of trips and thousands of kilometers
of travelling. It is only now with the lower priced IstDS that I
can now afford to get into digital photography. It is also the fact
that the Canon and Nikon offerings are so large physically that I
have hesitated. It is only because my ME Super lasted so long and
so well that I am considering a Pentax!
Chris
Hi Chris,

Thanks. My ME Super gave up in 1997. As for the *istDS, I'll probably wait a bit and not purchase it right when it's released. Maybe that's what got me in trouble with my D70.
--
Al
 
I have 2 Pentax Program Plus bodies. The first one I bought in 1985. one inder-exposes now and the other is fine. Not only have they been knocked around alot, they have have never been CLA'ed ever. Pentax makes solid equipment.

I love the idea of the SD memory, b/c I have two 256mb SD cards for my pocket PC. The last one I got for $10 from Buy.com. I have the 50mm/1.7, 28mm/2.8 and some cheapo zooms. A buddy of mine want to sell 4 pentax macro lenses to me for cheap. I'm sold on the *istDS.

My only issue is the lack if image stablized lenses. The sigma 80-400OS is not available in the K mount. probably a 8mp 12x stablized digicam will be available soon, that is cheaper anyway.

My wife hates it when I shoot on vacation (she likes disposable film cameras), so I'm looking for something small to take with me that will not cause marital strife.

I shoot lots of landscapes and architecture. I'll be going to Italy next year and I want to be ready.

I used the Drebel and didn't like the way it handled, but the pics are very good. The Nikon handles very good, and has the same image qulity as the *istD. I don't want to buy a new lens system. I would love to have the foveon sensor in the *ist body, I don't like the sigma body and i'm not impressed with most of their lenses.

The AA battery power is great b/c I have already 16 NiMH batteries of 1600 or better.

Has anyone read any reviews of the 18-55 lens? I'm sure it is decent for $100 tho.

-Victor
Al
I have owned one SLR, the ME Super (since 1983) and only recentrly
has it given up through dozens of trips and thousands of kilometers
of travelling. It is only now with the lower priced IstDS that I
can now afford to get into digital photography. It is also the fact
that the Canon and Nikon offerings are so large physically that I
have hesitated. It is only because my ME Super lasted so long and
so well that I am considering a Pentax!
Chris
Hi Chris,

Thanks. My ME Super gave up in 1997. As for the *istDS, I'll
probably wait a bit and not purchase it right when it's released.
Maybe that's what got me in trouble with my D70.
--
Al
 
Thanks. My ME Super gave up in 1997. As for the *istDS, I'll
probably wait a bit and not purchase it right when it's released.
Maybe that's what got me in trouble with my D70.
I bought my *ist D the day that it was available in Seattle (as far as I know I was the first one to buy one in this city). The later cameras aren't any different. I wouldn't hestitate to buy another one quickly.

The same couldn't be said for my previous Sony DSC-F707 and DSC-F717 cameras. I got both of those days after they were released and had to return them time and time again for fixes that wouldn't have been an issue with later releases.

Pentax has done some firmware fixes, but they have been somewhat minor. The most important fix was support for M and K lenses in firmware 1.1.

I primarily use my *ist D for travel and have enjoyed it greatly. My most commonly used lenses are the DA 16-45/4 and the FA 35/2. Depending on subject material I might also carry the FA 50/1.7, M 85/2, M 135/3.5, or M 200/4. I have a couple of other lenses that see limited use.

alex
 
Seriously, a fraction of a pound in weight or a CM or two in dimensions is not going to make any difference to whether you concentrate on photography or experiencing the trip. To me, it sounds like you should be looking at a high end point and shoot, not another dslr. Even a P&S will probably not help you out much. The fact is YOU have to decide which is more important, taking pictures or experiencing the trip. I too find it very hard to reconcile this.
Hi Everyone,

I've been a casual amateur photographer since about 1981 and have
owned Pentax film cameras since i bought the ME Super in 1981.
Over the last couple of years I've found myself becoming more
interested in photography as a serious hobby due to the devlopment
and falling prices of digital cameras. So late last March I bought
Nikon's D70 with the kit lens. (First person to have one in
Columbia, MO too!) I really wanted to buy a Pentax digital SLR,
but the initial prices for the *istD were just to high to justify
for me. The D70 has been terrific--with one major exception: for
no apparent reason it begins to flash an "F--" message and the
camera locks up completely. This message is supposed to mean that
the camera cannot detect a CPU lens, but this happens with both the
kit lens and the Nikon 50mm F1.8. Although the camera always seems
to return to normal by the next day, this is obviously unacceptable
performance, so I made a warranty claim through the camera store in
Columbia where I bought it, and it spent all of August (exactly
four weeks) at Nikon's service center. Unfortuntely, they failed
to fix the problem, for about 10 days after I got the camera back,
the flashing "F--" returned and locked the camera. At this point I
asked for a new camera body from the store where I bought it, and
they agreed that I should have one. However, Nikon balked, and
said it should be sent back to their service center again. Having
little bargaining power in this situation, I agreed, and that's
where it is along with both the kit lens and 50mm F1.8 Nikon lens
(the problem happens with both lenses as well as with my Sigma
55-200). It has been back at their service center for two weeks
now, and I am sure it will be there for at least another two weeks.

I know there probably isn't a dry eye in the house at this point
(!), but my problems with the D70 have gotten me thinking about a
different digital SLR. The D70 is, by my standards, a large
(volume) and heavy camera, especially with the kit lense attached.
And I've taken it with me on two trips so far this year, once to
Oregon and a second time to England and France. What has struck me
is how much doing so leads to me focus on photography throughout
the trips, and this seems to put things a bit out of balance. I
want to see and experience places, not just photograph them. So my
thinking is that what I want for traveling is a small digital SLR
which I take with me and with it I would take but a single lens,
probably a wide-angle to short telephoto one given the type of
photography I do. (I'verethought getting a prosumer model like the
Olympus 8080, but I've decided not to got that route, mainly
because of the image quality issue, including the ability to use
higher ISO settings with a digital SLR because the larger sensors
on digital SLRs handle noise much better.)

This seems to leave me with two options: the new Olympus E-300
(Evolt) or the Pentax *istDS. The Pentax is the smaller of the two
in both volume (mainly about an inch narrower) and weight, and it
may end up being the less expensive of the two cameras. Olympus
hasn't released its pricing yet, but Amazon, PC and Mac Mall have
the Pentax body for $900, and the body + kit lens (the new 18-55)
for $1,000. I wish the Pentax prices were about $100 less, but
they still seem doable. The Olympus seems like a potentially very
good camera, but I do own some Pentax glass (a 100-300 zoom and the
old 50mm 2.0 prime lens that I bought with the ME Super. I do like
the idea of the AA or CV-3 batteries as the power source since
they, especially the double A's, are available everywhere, and on a
trip, especially out of the country, I could spend my time thinking
about other things than keeping my proprietary batteries charged.
The only thing I really don't like about the *istDS is the shift to
SD storage media (I've got a lot of compact flash cards).
Fortunately, the prices on both Compact Flash and SD media seem to
be in free fall right now (SD looks to be about 10-15% more
expensive, at least in my shopping area), so that wouldn't be a
major factor.

Anyway, I'm writing just to see if any of you who frequent this
forum would be willing to comment on this situation, and the idea
of downsizing my camera gear for major travel (to use a materially
smaller SLR and lens). I would certainly welcome your thoughts.
By the way, the problem with the D70 is apparently very rare but
not unique to me. If you check the D70 forum and search for it,
you will find a few short threads about it, but so far only
something like 5-10 people seem to have experienced it. Too bad.
It's a great camera; I just had the bad luck to get a lemon.

--
Al
--
Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
300D tips http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/tricks/digital-rebel-tricks.html
300D FAQ at http://www.marius.org/fom-serve/cache/3.html
 
Anyway, I'm writing just to see if any of you who frequent this
forum would be willing to comment on this situation, and the idea
of downsizing my camera gear for major travel (to use a materially
smaller SLR and lens). I would certainly welcome your thoughts.
By the way, the problem with the D70 is apparently very rare but
not unique to me. If you check the D70 forum and search for it,
you will find a few short threads about it, but so far only
something like 5-10 people seem to have experienced it. Too bad.
It's a great camera; I just had the bad luck to get a lemon.

--
Al
From my (limited) experience, the weight of the camera has not major impact: I always end up carrying all my bulky lenses in the backback.
I personally would not buy Pentax just because of its petite dimensions.

To be really 'free', you need a Point&Shoot. That's what I do, When I need to go on a 'total relax' trip, I bring my Point&Shoot (canon AS400) with me (so I do not feel the urge of spending 50% of my time fiddling with my *istD)
 
Last year I took my digicam on a trip to Italy. I ended up thinking about the camera a lot: do I leave it on to reduce the startup time, or switch it off to preserve battery; Spending a lot of time waiting for the motor zoom to rack back and forwards; worrying about whether the picture is in focus and what the camera has decided to focus on; using the screen on the back for framing as the viewfinder suffers parallax; not using the screen on the back in bright sun; leaving the camera in ISO 400 after shooting indoors and getting a bunch of noisy pictures in the sun.

In contrast a couple of weeks ago I took a Pentax ME Super SLR + 24-135mm lens to Venice. If I wanted to take a picture I just unslung the camera from my shoulder, switched it on and ready to go, quickly frame and zoom and take the picture. The small size of the camera is great for just getting it out of the way over my shoulder while enjoying the place and not photographing. Occasionally while trying to get a wriggling toddler off a water bus and feeling the camera swinging around on my shoulder a small digicam in my waist level camera case would have been nice, but I didn't feel the camera stopped me enjoying the trip at all.

wrt carrying all your bulky lenses - you can get one of the travel zooms instead which will have all the range of a P&S.

Dan
From my (limited) experience, the weight of the camera has not
major impact: I always end up carrying all my bulky lenses in the
backback.
I personally would not buy Pentax just because of its petite
dimensions.
To be really 'free', you need a Point&Shoot. That's what I do, When
I need to go on a 'total relax' trip, I bring my Point&Shoot (canon
AS400) with me (so I do not feel the urge of spending 50% of my
time fiddling with my *istD)
 
I have a S400 and am considering a *istDS for its moderate price and small size.

Do you think I will notice a noticebale increase in image quality in automatic mode, with the 18-55 kit lens ?, or it is a waste of money having already a S400 ?

S400 outdoors is generally very good, except in direct sunlight, you have to use some minus exposure compensation or you can get blown highlights on people's faces.

Also I do not understand how to use fill flash, since the flash light is very warm, and needs tungsten setting, but If I am outdoors this setting causes a blue cast in the background.

My main quiblle about the S400 is the results of flash photography. The flash is not very powerful. Also I do not use red eye reduction because the orange light annoys some people and so sometimes I get red eye.

In summary, will I get better results with a istDS, or for non-pro point and shoot I will not see a substantial difference with my S400 ?
Anyway, I'm writing just to see if any of you who frequent this
forum would be willing to comment on this situation, and the idea
of downsizing my camera gear for major travel (to use a materially
smaller SLR and lens). I would certainly welcome your thoughts.
By the way, the problem with the D70 is apparently very rare but
not unique to me. If you check the D70 forum and search for it,
you will find a few short threads about it, but so far only
something like 5-10 people seem to have experienced it. Too bad.
It's a great camera; I just had the bad luck to get a lemon.

--
Al
From my (limited) experience, the weight of the camera has not
major impact: I always end up carrying all my bulky lenses in the
backback.
I personally would not buy Pentax just because of its petite
dimensions.
To be really 'free', you need a Point&Shoot. That's what I do, When
I need to go on a 'total relax' trip, I bring my Point&Shoot (canon
AS400) with me (so I do not feel the urge of spending 50% of my
time fiddling with my *istD)
 
Hi Al

Welcome to the Pentax SLR forum.

I would wait to see how effective Nikon are in fixing your problem before you do anything too hasty.

If you still feel that you want smaller/lighter but need CF, wait until the DS arrives as I suspect that there will be a few *istD become available at a lower price point, which may suit you. Otherwise memory is quite cheap these days,, so may not be that much of an issue.

Points to check:

1) Check first that the slower write times and softer (less sharpened)images from the Pentax are acceptable to you. They are easily and better sharpened by good post processing software anyway.

2) Don't buy with the FAJ 18-35 lens, it's generally not regarded as a good example of Pentax lenses, hopefully the new 18-55 will be better, no-one knows as yet as it is not available - it is all hopeful speculation.

3) For the very best results on any camera, primes are way, way better. You've probably proved this to yourself with the Nikon 50mm prime. Pentax primes are easily as good, if not even better.

4) Don't rely on alkaline AA's, they only give a few shots, some have said as low as only 15 or so! If you don't want to carry a charger and a spare NiMH set, buy Energizer AA lithiums as a travel (or backup) set, they last for over 1,000 shots!

I am unsure that a P&S would suit you, the downgrade in image quality (I'm sorry to the P&S people out there, but it IS a fact) and comparitive slowness may be totally unacceptable after having a good DSLR. I know I do.

Best regards
--
Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK
 
I have a S400 and am considering a *istDS for its moderate price
and small size.

Do you think I will notice a noticebale increase in image quality
in automatic mode, with the 18-55 kit lens ?, or it is a waste of
money having already a S400 ?

S400 outdoors is generally very good, except in direct sunlight,
you have to use some minus exposure compensation or you can get
blown highlights on people's faces.

Also I do not understand how to use fill flash, since the flash
light is very warm, and needs tungsten setting, but If I am
outdoors this setting causes a blue cast in the background.

My main quiblle about the S400 is the results of flash photography.
The flash is not very powerful. Also I do not use red eye reduction
because the orange light annoys some people and so sometimes I get
red eye.

In summary, will I get better results with a istDS, or for non-pro
point and shoot I will not see a substantial difference with my
S400 ?
The S400 is a very easy to use point and shoot, but it is very limited when compared to a DSLR (it basically has no settings to play with). The only major advantage is size (you can slip it in your coat pocket, something you cannot do even with small DSLR like Pentax).

As far as I can tell the istDS+18-55 should be a major improvement over your S400 (assuming it has comparable image quality to my IstD), but only if you're ready and willing to go beyond the 'full auto' mode.

In summary, if you have never used an SLR camera, the learning curve is going to be steep and it will require some effort, but I think you'll definitely see a substantial difference from your current S400.

Conversely, if you do not want to be bothered by having to learn the basics and if you plan to use it only in full auto, then I would advise you to stick with P&S cameras - the quality advantage might not be worth the price differential.
 
I cannot comment on the D70, but system lockup w/o apparent reason has been around with Nikon for many years, as early as the F801 series (N8008), and later F90 series (N90) as I remember. Nikon has never had any fix on these problems, but asked the consumers trying to reset the cameras by reloading the batteries with the power switch "on". Obviously it would be a mess in the field, and there was no guaranty it would work everytime. There has been similar complaints with the 70-200VR too if you search the Nikon forum.
--
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/
 
Also, a better quality camera does not guaranty better image quality. The photographer still plays the major part to achieve good quality pictures, not noise free images or megapixels. And that requires some serious commitment to achieve.
--
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/
 
Hi Al

Welcome to the Pentax SLR forum.

I would wait to see how effective Nikon are in fixing your problem
before you do anything too hasty.

Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK
Hi Richard,

Thank you for your welcome and your reply, along with everyone else's. I'm going to reply to a few of the comments in your message as well as to some in the others here.

First, you're right about not being hasty, and I'm going to see what happens when my camera and lenses return--someday--from the Nikon service center. If the flashing F-- happens after that, I'm going to try the procedure wlachan mentioned, to reload the batteries with the power switch ON(!). I tried removing and relaoding the D70's battery with the power switch off (didn't work), so if I get the opportunity, I'll try that solution. I must say that it's interesting that there is a history of such problems with Nikon equipment and that Nikon apparently couldn't fix the earlier ones either. Somehow that is my sense of what happened with the camera's first month at Nikon service in August.

Second, DonPidcock suggested buying a travel zoom (I presume one of the 28-200s or 28-300s from Sigma or Tamron) to achieve the same range as a P&S. I know there is a tradeoff in image quality, but it might be a possibility.

Third, LanFrank recommends not buying the *istdS because of it's petite size. I know there are pros and cons to both large and small cameras, so I'll have to think about this issue some more.

Fourth, DannyV says he is challenged too about the issue of balancing photography and the trip itself. Glad I'm not alone! Also, when I originally said that taking the D70 tended to make much of the trip focused on the photography, what I really meant was that taking my whole set of D70 equipment (D70, three lenses, compact flash cards, extra batteries, manual) tended to lead to the focus on photography. I suspect part of it is a process of rationalization (i.e., if I'm going to lug all this stuff all over the place, I better use it a lot). Maybe a solution is to just take the D70 (or *istds if I buy one) with only the kit lens or a travel lens.

Fifth, again a thank you to Richard for welcoming me to the forum, something that never happened over on the D70 forum. I've visited this forum a lot over the last year, just never posted anything here before. Something I should point out is that despite this forum's smaller number of posters and messages (compared to the D70 forum), I received more responses to this one posting than I ever got over on the D70 forum. It's enough to make me want to go out and get a *istd or ds!

Finally, several people mentioned owning the FA 50/1.7. As I mentioned, I bought the Nikon 50/1.8 and this question applies to it, too. On a traditional 35mm camera, these lenses would be "normal lenses," but on the D70 and *istd(s) they become 75mm equivalents, which is moderate telephoto, slighty less, though, than the optimal portrait lens length. Their attractiveness is low price (even the Nikon lens), low-light shooting capability, and sharpness. The issue is, isn't 75mm too narrow for a general purpose lens? I could answer this question myself if my camera weren't in the shop so much). It would seem that something like a 35mm lens would be better.

Thanks to everyone again. I haven't made up my mind about what I'm going to do, but I will confess that I really enjoy shopping for this stuff with so much information available in places like DPREVIEW.

--
Al
 
Second, DonPidcock suggested buying a travel zoom (I presume one of
the 28-200s or 28-300s from Sigma or Tamron) to achieve the same
range as a P&S. I know there is a tradeoff in image quality, but
it might be a possibility.
Hi Al,

The optical quality of (for instance) the Tamrom 28-300 XR Di would be quite a bit better than even most premium Digicams (need to look at things like the bridge cam Canon Pro1 to get great digicam lens (and then is no longer a point and shoot is it :)

In terms of your note 4 below, the new *istDS with this relatively small lens (relative given it's 10x range) will still be quite compact and hassle free to leave to enjoy your travel but still have access to excellent photographic capability.

I once lived for a year out of a 60 litre backpack (you know, 2 pairs of jeans, 3 shorts, t-shirts, 1 nice shirt --- was difficult to go to do Africa safaris and still go to the oipera in Hungary :) and carried a Pentax SLR (MZ5n) plus a Tamron 28-200 (plus a Slik mini tripod) shooting slide all the way. The optical quality and reliablity of the camera and it's metering system never let me down and I have wonderful slides from over 20 countries. I was able to enjoy my photography without it interrupting the other challenges and enjoyment of travel. At home I have 9 different prime and zoom lenses for my Pentax's but I would travel with them all!

Only issue is 28-200 (or 300) isn't wide enough on a 1.5x crop camera..... Given the same year again with my *istD I would carry my 17mm as well.
Third, LanFrank recommends not buying the *istdS because of it's
petite size. I know there are pros and cons to both large and
small cameras, so I'll have to think about this issue some more.

Fourth, DannyV says he is challenged too about the issue of
balancing photography and the trip itself. Glad I'm not alone!
Also, when I originally said that taking the D70 tended to make
much of the trip focused on the photography, what I really meant
was that taking my whole set of D70 equipment (D70, three lenses,
compact flash cards, extra batteries, manual) tended to lead to the
focus on photography. I suspect part of it is a process of
rationalization (i.e., if I'm going to lug all this stuff all over
the place, I better use it a lot). Maybe a solution is to just
take the D70 (or *istds if I buy one) with only the kit lens or a
travel lens.

Finally, several people mentioned owning the FA 50/1.7. As I
mentioned, I bought the Nikon 50/1.8 and this question applies to
it, too. On a traditional 35mm camera, these lenses would be
"normal lenses," but on the D70 and *istd(s) they become 75mm
equivalents, which is moderate telephoto, slighty less, though,
than the optimal portrait lens length. Their attractiveness is low
price (even the Nikon lens), low-light shooting capability, and
sharpness. The issue is, isn't 75mm too narrow for a general
purpose lens? I could answer this question myself if my camera
weren't in the shop so much). It would seem that something like a
35mm lens would be better.
Yes, the 50/1.4/1.7 etc. have great optical quality for little $$ but they are not a standard lens because of the 1.5x crop. I like shooting with mine but if walking with it alone I am often wanting something wider. Maybe the 35/2 of if I had the money the 31/1.8 Limited would put a smile on my face :)

Good luck with the camera resolution issues. Hope to hear the results..
--
Brett



The Journey is the Thing
 
Last year I took my digicam on a trip to Italy. I ended up
thinking about the camera a lot: do I leave it on to reduce the
startup time, or switch it off to preserve battery; Spending a lot
of time waiting for the motor zoom to rack back and forwards;
worrying about whether the picture is in focus and what the camera
has decided to focus on; using the screen on the back for framing
as the viewfinder suffers parallax; not using the screen on the
back in bright sun; leaving the camera in ISO 400 after shooting
indoors and getting a bunch of noisy pictures in the sun.
Hi Dan,

I have taken my Canon G2 on several trips and to compensate for the
'turning on/turning off' situation I purchased an extra battery and left
my camera on for the majority of the time and rarely used my LCD
screen for shooting........which might account for some of the less than
stellar pics :> ..... but seriously, I had no quams about using my G2
whilst travelling and always had the ISO set to 100 unless I wanted
to, perhaps, enlarge a pic to 8x10. The only thing I would have
done differently would have been to set the walkabout resolution
to average out to a 1MB file instead of .5MB file. Also, I would have
downloaded to CD more often and chances are I would have come
home with more than the 800 pics and definately taken more than
6,000 shots.....but hindsight is always 20/20 :)
In contrast a couple of weeks ago I took a Pentax ME Super SLR +
24-135mm lens to Venice. If I wanted to take a picture I just
unslung the camera from my shoulder, switched it on and ready to
go, quickly frame and zoom and take the picture. The small size of
the camera is great for just getting it out of the way over my
shoulder while enjoying the place and not photographing.
Occasionally while trying to get a wriggling toddler off a water
bus and feeling the camera swinging around on my shoulder a small
digicam in my waist level camera case would have been nice, but I
didn't feel the camera stopped me enjoying the trip at all.
Hello again Dan,

And guess what I shall be getting the IST*DS to go along with my
FA135/2.8 and my FA 50/1.7 and plan on picking up a DA14/2.8 to
make up for my 20mm becoming a 30mm :( But, I shall be taking
my G2 along with me as it the perfect camera for doing street photo-
graphy.

So, hopefully, I will be able to have my cake and be able to eat it as
well.

And, IMO, a camera should never stop you from enjoying a holiday,
if anything, it should enhance the holiday least ways once the holiday
is over.

Cheers,

Jack
wrt carrying all your bulky lenses - you can get one of the travel
zooms instead which will have all the range of a P&S.

Dan
From my (limited) experience, the weight of the camera has not
major impact: I always end up carrying all my bulky lenses in the
backback.
I personally would not buy Pentax just because of its petite
dimensions.
To be really 'free', you need a Point&Shoot. That's what I do, When
I need to go on a 'total relax' trip, I bring my Point&Shoot (canon
AS400) with me (so I do not feel the urge of spending 50% of my
time fiddling with my *istD)
--
It's amazing what one can do when one doesn't know what one is doing :)
 
Second, DonPidcock suggested buying a travel zoom (I presume one of
the 28-200s or 28-300s from Sigma or Tamron) to achieve the same
range as a P&S. I know there is a tradeoff in image quality, but
it might be a possibility.
Hi Al,

The optical quality of (for instance) the Tamrom 28-300 XR Di would
be quite a bit better than even most premium Digicams (need to look
at things like the bridge cam Canon Pro1 to get great digicam lens
(and then is no longer a point and shoot is it :)

In terms of your note 4 below, the new *istDS with this relatively
small lens (relative given it's 10x range) will still be quite
compact and hassle free to leave to enjoy your travel but still
have access to excellent photographic capability.

I once lived for a year out of a 60 litre backpack (you know, 2
pairs of jeans, 3 shorts, t-shirts, 1 nice shirt --- was difficult
to go to do Africa safaris and still go to the oipera in Hungary :)
and carried a Pentax SLR (MZ5n) plus a Tamron 28-200 (plus a Slik
mini tripod) shooting slide all the way. The optical quality and
reliablity of the camera and it's metering system never let me down
and I have wonderful slides from over 20 countries. I was able to
enjoy my photography without it interrupting the other challenges
and enjoyment of travel. At home I have 9 different prime and zoom
lenses for my Pentax's but I would travel with them all!

Only issue is 28-200 (or 300) isn't wide enough on a 1.5x crop
camera..... Given the same year again with my *istD I would carry
my 17mm as well.
Hi Brett,

I have travelled with a variety of gear;

One trip I used my PZ-1 with an A-20/2.8, a FA35/2.0, a
Tamron 90/2.5 (MF) and a Pentax A-2x converter along with
Konica Hexar camera for my walk around camera. This was London
and Paris. Oops, forgot to mention my FTZ 330 Flash.

Next trip was with my PZ-1 and a Tamron 28-200 AF along with my
A-20/2.8 and the Pentax A-2X convertor and my Konica Hexar as my
back-up and my FTZ 330 flash.

Next trip was with my Canon G2 and 220EX flash and Raynox 1.8
Tele-Convertor and my back up camera was my Espio Mini.

All three trips I used the same camera bag --the tiny(ish) Domke
Shoulder Bag or something.

The big difference was in the first two(2) trips I took anywhere from
30 to 45 rolls of film with me and the last trip I took a 256MB and a
512 MB card with me...........woo, what a difference.

Image quality difference, I would have to say not that much as I rarely
print bigger than 6x8.

But, all in all, I don't see what this has to do with Nikon D70 problems?

Cheers,

Jack

Next trip was with

Next year
Third, LanFrank recommends not buying the *istdS because of it's
petite size. I know there are pros and cons to both large and
small cameras, so I'll have to think about this issue some more.

Fourth, DannyV says he is challenged too about the issue of
balancing photography and the trip itself. Glad I'm not alone!
Also, when I originally said that taking the D70 tended to make
much of the trip focused on the photography, what I really meant
was that taking my whole set of D70 equipment (D70, three lenses,
compact flash cards, extra batteries, manual) tended to lead to the
focus on photography. I suspect part of it is a process of
rationalization (i.e., if I'm going to lug all this stuff all over
the place, I better use it a lot). Maybe a solution is to just
take the D70 (or *istds if I buy one) with only the kit lens or a
travel lens.

Finally, several people mentioned owning the FA 50/1.7. As I
mentioned, I bought the Nikon 50/1.8 and this question applies to
it, too. On a traditional 35mm camera, these lenses would be
"normal lenses," but on the D70 and *istd(s) they become 75mm
equivalents, which is moderate telephoto, slighty less, though,
than the optimal portrait lens length. Their attractiveness is low
price (even the Nikon lens), low-light shooting capability, and
sharpness. The issue is, isn't 75mm too narrow for a general
purpose lens? I could answer this question myself if my camera
weren't in the shop so much). It would seem that something like a
35mm lens would be better.
Yes, the 50/1.4/1.7 etc. have great optical quality for little $$
but they are not a standard lens because of the 1.5x crop. I like
shooting with mine but if walking with it alone I am often wanting
something wider. Maybe the 35/2 of if I had the money the 31/1.8
Limited would put a smile on my face :)

Good luck with the camera resolution issues. Hope to hear the
results..
--
Brett



The Journey is the Thing
--
It's amazing what one can do when one doesn't know what one is doing :)
 
Hi Dan,

I have taken my Canon G2 on several trips and to compensate for the
'turning on/turning off' situation I purchased an extra battery and
left
my camera on for the majority of the time and rarely used my LCD
screen for shooting........which might account for some of the less
than
stellar pics :
Hi Jack,

That was my strategy too. But one night the power supply on the socket I had my charger plugged into failed without me realising. When I woke up the LEDs were off so i figured the batteries were charged. When my main batteries ran out half way through the day I put the 2nd set in ... and got about 30 shots from them :-(
..... but seriously, I had no quams about using my G2
whilst travelling and always had the ISO set to 100 unless I wanted
to, perhaps, enlarge a pic to 8x10. The only thing I would have
done differently would have been to set the walkabout resolution
to average out to a 1MB file instead of .5MB file. Also, I would
have
downloaded to CD more often and chances are I would have come
home with more than the 800 pics and definately taken more than
6,000 shots.....but hindsight is always 20/20 :)
Sometimes less is more! I used just one roll of 36 on my recent trip. Of those 33 were keepers. There were only 2 or 3 shots that I didn't get through being frugal. With my digicam I took about 600, and again abot 30 keepers.
Hello again Dan,

And guess what I shall be getting the IST*DS to go along with my
FA135/2.8 and my FA 50/1.7 and plan on picking up a DA14/2.8 to
make up for my 20mm becoming a 30mm :( But, I shall be taking
my G2 along with me as it the perfect camera for doing street photo-
graphy.

So, hopefully, I will be able to have my cake and be able to eat it as
well.
Yes indeed you will have the best of both worlds. Would you take both cameras out on a day or decide before you go out what style of shooting you are thinking of using?
And, IMO, a camera should never stop you from enjoying a holiday,
if anything, it should enhance the holiday least ways once the
holiday
is over.
Very true.

All the best,

Dan
 
Hi Al

Welcome to the Pentax SLR forum.

I would wait to see how effective Nikon are in fixing your problem
before you do anything too hasty.

Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK
Hi Richard,

Thank you for your welcome and your reply, along with everyone
else's. I'm going to reply to a few of the comments in your
message as well as to some in the others here.

First, you're right about not being hasty, and I'm going to see
what happens when my camera and lenses return--someday--from the
Nikon service center. If the flashing F-- happens after that, I'm
going to try the procedure wlachan mentioned, to reload the
batteries with the power switch ON(!). I tried removing and
relaoding the D70's battery with the power switch off (didn't
work), so if I get the opportunity, I'll try that solution. I must
say that it's interesting that there is a history of such problems
with Nikon equipment and that Nikon apparently couldn't fix the
earlier ones either. Somehow that is my sense of what happened
with the camera's first month at Nikon service in August.
If they haven't cured it, removing batteries etc., is a bit of a pain!
Second, DonPidcock suggested buying a travel zoom (I presume one of
the 28-200s or 28-300s from Sigma or Tamron) to achieve the same
range as a P&S. I know there is a tradeoff in image quality, but
it might be a possibility.
The newly announced Tamron 18-200 Di may well be the ideal travelzoom, their 28-300 Xr Di Turbo mk 2 (or whatever!) is well respected by many, I do find that the extra reach of 300mm is very useful, I like to visit bird sancturies and botanical gardens. You can't get that close to water lillies unless you have waders and some places don't take kindly to you wading in their lilly ponds!
Third, LanFrank recommends not buying the *istdS because of it's
petite size. I know there are pros and cons to both large and
small cameras, so I'll have to think about this issue some more.
It's a micron or too smaller than the current *istD, reports say it's easier to hold, but I certainly have no problem with it
Fourth, DannyV says he is challenged too about the issue of
balancing photography and the trip itself. Glad I'm not alone!
Also, when I originally said that taking the D70 tended to make
much of the trip focused on the photography, what I really meant
was that taking my whole set of D70 equipment (D70, three lenses,
compact flash cards, extra batteries, manual) tended to lead to the
focus on photography. I suspect part of it is a process of
rationalization (i.e., if I'm going to lug all this stuff all over
the place, I better use it a lot). Maybe a solution is to just
take the D70 (or *istds if I buy one) with only the kit lens or a
travel lens.
My wife is resigned to it! I travel alot with my camera, in fact it's because I have a camera that I travel alot! - I have a couple of travel bags, a Lowepro Nova Mini AW bag (fits camera with 18-50 lens, plus 55-200 lens (the Sigma pair), Rocket blower, lens cloth, CF cards and batteries for casual shooting, and a Lowepro Omni traveller which I tend to use more and can fit my *istD with FA* 24mm F2.0 fitted, Metz MZ54, Tamron 75-300 LD, FA 28-105, FA 50 Macro, Giotto Rocket blower, Some Cokin filters and holders, batteries, Pentax lens cloths, CF cards, note book & pen, and the instruction book (I always forget some obscure setting!). I also have a Trekker for ALL my junk, well almost all, I'm beginning to carry 2 bags when I go for a serious day out!

I also have a Fuji 602 and spare batteries in a small bag that lives in my car. It takes good pretty good pics for a digicam (I chose it in preference to a Canon G3 at the time I bought) but, to me, it's a fair bit removed from the *istD.
Fifth, again a thank you to Richard for welcoming me to the forum,
something that never happened over on the D70 forum. I've visited
this forum a lot over the last year, just never posted anything
here before. Something I should point out is that despite this
forum's smaller number of posters and messages (compared to the D70
forum), I received more responses to this one posting than I ever
got over on the D70 forum. It's enough to make me want to go out
and get a *istd or ds!
Thank you for that.
Finally, several people mentioned owning the FA 50/1.7. As I
mentioned, I bought the Nikon 50/1.8 and this question applies to
it, too. On a traditional 35mm camera, these lenses would be
"normal lenses," but on the D70 and *istd(s) they become 75mm
equivalents, which is moderate telephoto, slighty less, though,
than the optimal portrait lens length. Their attractiveness is low
price (even the Nikon lens), low-light shooting capability, and
sharpness. The issue is, isn't 75mm too narrow for a general
purpose lens? I could answer this question myself if my camera
weren't in the shop so much). It would seem that something like a
35mm lens would be better.
The 35mm F2.0 is a cracker, small and light, deservedly revered . However I succumbed to the 24 f2.0, I like wide! I am waiting to try the 14mm f2.8, but not until I have the funds for it!
Thanks to everyone again. I haven't made up my mind about what I'm
going to do, but I will confess that I really enjoy shopping for
this stuff with so much information available in places like
DPREVIEW.

--
Al
Most of all - Enjoy!

Cheers
--
Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK
 
But, all in all, I don't see what this has to do with Nikon D70
problems?
Hi Jack, what my answer to the possibilities of having a light travel kit or the question in the first place? :)

Cheers,
--
Brett



The Journey is the Thing
 

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