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Photographing other people's kids?
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Daniella68313
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I've just quickly gone through your replies on this topic and it appears to me that you have no concept of respect at all. Just because you think it is legal (legal or not depends on how good your lawers are!
you will do it regardless. I'm no longer interested in this "friendly debate". If you have time, come to OZ to practice your "candid photography"!
Ciao!
you will do it regardless. I'm no longer interested in this "friendly debate". If you have time, come to OZ to practice your "candid photography"! Ciao!
that,s typical...I say your analogy is stupid and you say that I am
stupid. I did not say you were stupid but your analogy was..see
the nuance here? or can you?
resorting to personal attack only show your own personal quality.
says the law
After seeing you "candid" pics of other people's kids I
no I don't but if I did I would not be so paranoid. I had stranger
taken my photo when I was a kid..It was published in the newspaper
and I was pleased of it..nobody came to steal me away and nobody
killed me because of it.
That's why you THINK it "OK" and
I don't think it's ok..I know it's legal though. If a parent would
ask not to take a photo, then I would not take it..but nobody
seemed to care..they saw me and did not even seamed bothered.
I guess not everyone is paranoid
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Saurulmaiel
Despite some very strong views in here which I have a hard time understanding....... I think this was a valid discussion topic.
However, after reading it I'm now going to be thinking in my head.....what if that guy just SNAPS and comes up fuming and demanding my compact flash card.
Arghhhh....Now we are starting to even restrict the Politically correct subjects we are 'allowed' to shoot.
I guess I rarely shoot pictures of people anyway.
However, after reading it I'm now going to be thinking in my head.....what if that guy just SNAPS and comes up fuming and demanding my compact flash card.
Arghhhh....Now we are starting to even restrict the Politically correct subjects we are 'allowed' to shoot.
I guess I rarely shoot pictures of people anyway.
Daniella68313
Forum Pro
One thing that might be obvious to me but obviously eluded you is that the simple essence of candid photography is when people are not aware of being photographed. ain,t that obvious? You either do candid photography or not..I guess according to you everybody who does candid photos are lacking respect for others. Funny how people have different mentality.I've just quickly gone through your replies on this topic and it
appears to me that you have no concept of respect at all. Just
because you think it is legal (legal or not depends on how good
your lawers are!
interested in this "friendly debate". If you have time, come to OZ
to practice your "candid photography"!
you call me stupid and you're the one saying that I have no respect? now that's funny
--Ciao!
that,s typical...I say your analogy is stupid and you say that I am
stupid. I did not say you were stupid but your analogy was..see
the nuance here? or can you?
resorting to personal attack only show your own personal quality.
says the law
After seeing you "candid" pics of other people's kids I
no I don't but if I did I would not be so paranoid. I had stranger
taken my photo when I was a kid..It was published in the newspaper
and I was pleased of it..nobody came to steal me away and nobody
killed me because of it.
That's why you THINK it "OK" and
I don't think it's ok..I know it's legal though. If a parent would
ask not to take a photo, then I would not take it..but nobody
seemed to care..they saw me and did not even seamed bothered.
I guess not everyone is paranoid
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Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
Travis
Veteran Member
But do you always give them the opportunity to ask you not to take the photos? If you're using a long lens, for example, they may not even know you took the photo. Or maybe they just didn't see you. Or maybe they were too wrapped up in their personal experience (such as the mother in the fatal accident you mentioned) to even notice a photographer. So in essence you're saying that you feel you are justified in taking the photos if they go unnoticed, but if they ask you not to, you'll stop? Of course, if they ask you to stop, then you've already done it anyway and would you then delete them? ;-)
I try to always look at things from both sides. Going back to the mother tending to the injured boy photograph... I know you said you don't have kids, but if you did, are you saying you wouldn't mind if someone took a photo like that and posted in on the internet? Perhaps some parents wouldn't mind, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it and I'm sure many others wouldn't as well. And if there is the possibility that the parent wouldn't like it, then wouldn't it be more appropriate to default on the side of reservation? You say the mother saw you take that photo, but did she know you were going to post it on the Internet? Or maybe she didn't like it but didn't say anything because it was more important at that moment to take care of her injured son? Maybe that mother looking over her dead son's body after the car accident would have sincerely objected to a photograph had she known it was being taken OR if she wasn't involved in an extremely emotional situation? But alas, we must assume that the "right to photograph" trumps any of those considerations?
My feelings on this aren't as strong as they might appear from my replies... in most circumstances, there probably really isn't an issue at all. But when you get to the heart of the matter, there really is an important consideration here and I really do think it makes a difference if children are involved.
Travis
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Daniella68313
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don't worry..that type of extremist people are not commonDespite some very strong views in here which I have a hard time
understanding....... I think this was a valid discussion topic.
However, after reading it I'm now going to be thinking in my
head.....what if that guy just SNAPS and comes up fuming and
demanding my compact flash card.
Arghhhh....Now we are starting to even restrict the Politically
correct subjects we are 'allowed' to shoot.
Never had any problem taking photos of people, even when it was obvious that I was taking their photos. I think it's easy for some people here to vent and blow air..but probably if it was a real life situation they would not react as they are saying. talking is one thing but acting in real life is another.yes..same here. I am much more interested in wildlife and animals than in humans.
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Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
LTP, Good lord man......Is that ludicris threat really neccesary?
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--that,s typical...I say your analogy is stupid and you say that I am
stupid. I did not say you were stupid but your analogy was..see
the nuance here? or can you?
resorting to personal attack only show your own personal quality.
says the law
After seeing you "candid" pics of other people's kids I
no I don't but if I did I would not be so paranoid. I had stranger
taken my photo when I was a kid..It was published in the newspaper
and I was pleased of it..nobody came to steal me away and nobody
killed me because of it.
That's why you THINK it "OK" and
I don't think it's ok..I know it's legal though. If a parent would
ask not to take a photo, then I would not take it..but nobody
seemed to care..they saw me and did not even seamed bothered.
I guess not everyone is paranoid
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Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
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Daniella68313
Forum Pro
of course not, or it would not be candid photos if they would be aware of the camera. But I don't hide myself either. I take them with a 200mm zoom lens and I am generaly at about 15 feet from them and with that long zoom lens, no way they can miss me.
One man came to ask me if I was taking photos of cars or people. i told him I was taking photos of people and he just smiled at me and said "that's that I thought with that big lens".
If you're using a long lens, for example, they may not
that,s the whole idea about candid photography though. once a person is aware that you're taking his or her photo, they are not natural anymore.
sure, but like I said it never hapened so far, even when they do realize that I have taken their photos, they usualy just smile.
Of course, if they ask you to
sure I would if they would be bothered by it.
that I can assure you that she did saw me prepare to take the photo...and the little boy saw me too. In fact..I am not even sure why I took that photo. I felt bad aout taking it but yet there was something pusing me to take it..can't explain it.
I know you said
Not really because I understand the essence of candid photography. And it depend if the person would be a serious photographer or not.
Perhaps some parents wouldn't mind, but I'm pretty sure
you are ups against the candic photography. don't do it if you don't want to but that is the whole point of candid.
You say the mother saw you take that photo, but did
she might have thought that I was going to publish it in the local newspaper for all I know...I have no idea what she was thinking.
Or maybe she
could be. or maybe she just did not care.
Maybe
you assume that it is wrong to take photos of people without prior permission and to post it on the internet. I assume it is ok if the photo is decent.
again I don't see a difference if the photo is decent. it's not a type of photography that I feel comfortable doing, nor that I really like doing, it is only something that I try once in a while.
there are often discussions here on these forums about the ethic of candid photography..it is often brought up.
Travis
Veteran Member
My final thought for the night before I go to sleep... and I've been running all of this through my head. Please take my replies as part of a "discussion' and not some hard-nosed stance. I think many of us have to work this out in different ways and there probably isn't a clear right or wrong answer here.don't worry..that type of extremist people are not common
had any problem taking photos of people, even when it was obvious
that I was taking their photos. I think it's easy for some people
here to vent and blow air..but probably if it was a real life
situation they would not react as they are saying. talking is one
thing but acting in real life is another.
To me, "candid" photography is not only acceptable, but can be very rewarding. I just think that a certain amount of sensitivity and judgement must be used. Street photography can certainly be fun, and I love to see candid photos of people at work or at play. But in delicate circumstances where accidents, tragedies, and children are involved, I think there really needs to be discretion and ethical considerations. I think there is a line that can be crossed when we think our photographic rights are more important than the sensitivies of others, regardless of how good a photo opportunity might be or even if your sincere desire is to capture humanity in an "expressive" moment. If you only look at it from one point of view (the photographer's), then clearly anything that is "legal" is "permissible". But shame on anyone who thinks that everything that is "legal" SHOULD be partaken.
So a candid photo of someone working on the job, for example (maybe a construction worker on a front-loader), is certainly something I think would be appropriate to capture and even share online.
Photos where someone's child might be in the shot somewhere is not going to be a big deal to most people, and I wouldn't have a problem capturing or sharing these photos online either. If I was photographing my kids at the park and my photos of them included other kids, I wouldn't have a problem sharing these photos online.
Capturing a photo of another child in a situation that isn't sensitive is probably not an issue in public, though I would probably be hesitant to share those photos online.
Capturing photos of ANYONE in sensitive situations does, I think, require quite a bit of discretion. Graphic photos of people in accidents, for example, would be something I simply would not do. Sure, we see them plastered all over the newpapers and TV, but I don't enjoy seeing them and I think we'd be better off if they weren't captured in that way.
I think in the majority of situations, there isn't really going to be an issue here. But if it comes down to it, I firmly believe we should default on the side of sensibility and reservation, NOT on photographic freedom. No one is going to be hurt if a photograph is NOT taken (after all, photography is a relatively recent invention). But somebody MIGHT be hurt if a photograph IS taken (and especially shared over a potentially dangerous Internet). And to me, that's the bottom line here.
Travis
Daniella68313
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yeah but there is no emotion in that
The only thing that interest me in people candid photography are emotions.yes me neither. just plain disgusting. but I did not fell that way exactly with the little boy because he was not seriously injured. Just a simple little accident that kids are often involved in, especialy little boys.
I think in that photo of the kid with the mother, it is not really the fact that the kid was hurt that I wanted to show but how a mother care for her child.
I don't beleive in the danger of the internet here..not in that matter. I beleive that there are far more dangerous things and yet people submit their kids to it. The simple fact of driving your kids around is a far greater threat then putting their photos online.
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Saurulmaiel
..."ludicris threat"??? interesting ... In OZ, we have a more gentle/appropriate term - INVITATION! eg, we send out INVITATIONS to invite guests - We do NOT send "ludicris threat" to invite guests! I know that custom differs from one country to another but i did not expect it to differ that much between 2 "English-speaking" countries. Strange .....
--that,s typical...I say your analogy is stupid and you say that I am
stupid. I did not say you were stupid but your analogy was..see
the nuance here? or can you?
resorting to personal attack only show your own personal quality.
says the law
After seeing you "candid" pics of other people's kids I
no I don't but if I did I would not be so paranoid. I had stranger
taken my photo when I was a kid..It was published in the newspaper
and I was pleased of it..nobody came to steal me away and nobody
killed me because of it.
That's why you THINK it "OK" and
I don't think it's ok..I know it's legal though. If a parent would
ask not to take a photo, then I would not take it..but nobody
seemed to care..they saw me and did not even seamed bothered.
I guess not everyone is paranoid
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Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
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This is a timely discussion. Just a few minutes ago, I posted some family black and white shots I have been processing, while waiting for an illness to improve, so I can go back out shooting. Anyway, one of the photos is of my grandson standing at the top of an enclosed slide. I was at the bottom, looking up, getting ready to snap the shot when at the same time another kid at the park walked right into the shot beside my grandson. His mother was there, and seen her kid standing there when I snapped the shot. I didn't think about it until I downloaded it. I thought it made for an interesting photo, and processed it and posted it tonight. Should I remove the shot? Should I clone the other kid out? Should I leave it alone, because it is completely harmless. God I hate this over paranoid, schizophrenia world sometimes. Anyway, here is the link, tell me what you think please, because if it's a problem, I will change the photo.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=10585861
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Ohh I'm truly sorry. I mis-interpreted your comment.
I had just finshed reading your exchange with Daniella and thought you were implying a very different thing.
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I had just finshed reading your exchange with Daniella and thought you were implying a very different thing.
----that,s typical...I say your analogy is stupid and you say that I am
stupid. I did not say you were stupid but your analogy was..see
the nuance here? or can you?
resorting to personal attack only show your own personal quality.
says the law
After seeing you "candid" pics of other people's kids I
no I don't but if I did I would not be so paranoid. I had stranger
taken my photo when I was a kid..It was published in the newspaper
and I was pleased of it..nobody came to steal me away and nobody
killed me because of it.
That's why you THINK it "OK" and
I don't think it's ok..I know it's legal though. If a parent would
ask not to take a photo, then I would not take it..but nobody
seemed to care..they saw me and did not even seamed bothered.
I guess not everyone is paranoid
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Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
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I'm no longer interested in this "friendly debate".
If you have time, come to OZ to practice your "candid photography"!
I thought that meant........I'm tired of debating this....Come to OZ and try and take a candid shot of my kid and I will settle this debate.
If you have time, come to OZ to practice your "candid photography"!
I thought that meant........I'm tired of debating this....Come to OZ and try and take a candid shot of my kid and I will settle this debate.
Laugihing....I saw your thread after reading this one and was about to make a joke about "Did you have permission"
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I never shoot pictures of other peoples kids, but at events and parks, ect, they are there, and many times end up in shots. I usually don't ever post them, but when they are shots of my own family, I will keep them for our own use. In this case, it seemed harmless enough, that is until I read this thread
So I am debating on whether to keep the shot up, change it, or leave it alone. How I yearn for the days long pass, when this would not of even been an issue.--
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tjotala
Well-known member
That does seem a bit extreme. Afterall, the equipment is not at fault here.
I'd smash the person instead ;-} ;-}
That won't do any good whatsoever.
Anybody with the right tools will be able to recover the "deleted picture" off of the card without even breaking a sweat. After messing up a CF card of mine, I accidentally recovered some pictures that were well over a year old - the card had simply never filled up to the point where the old picture data would have been overwritten.
The "right tools" here are widely available from companies like Symantec and others who produce data recovery software.
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Tapani
Did i say that? Boy, you DO have problems understanding other people's posts!
Oh, so you just sneak around taking pics of other people and expect them to "politley" ask you to delete the pics? LOL .... How about you "politley" asking them NOT to beat the cr*ps out of ya, smash ya cam and take away ya cf AFTER they have done that? Same deal here ....
BTW, do you really think when you delete a pic, it's actually "deleted" from the cf??? Boy, you've gotta lot to learn! (hint: don't give that CF card you've used in your bedroom to anyone!
You can thank me later .... Amusing.
Smash camera(Did I say you said that)......that was from an earlier poster..IT was not referencing you.
And regarding CF data recovery.
Yes, I'm an IT manager and very much aware of data recovery methods.
I hadnt thought that one through. I'm not a pedohile and dont take pictures of children so I hadnt thought about this subject in this paranoid paradigm you subscribe too.
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Smash camera(Did I say you said that)......that was from an earlier poster..IT was not referencing you.
And regarding CF data recovery.
Yes, I'm an IT manager and very much aware of data recovery methods.
I hadnt thought that one through. I'm not a pedohile and dont take pictures of children so I hadnt thought about this subject in this paranoid paradigm you subscribe too.
--Did i say that? Boy, you DO have problems understanding other
people's posts!
Oh, so you just sneak around taking pics of other people and expect
them to "politley" ask you to delete the pics? LOL .... How about
you "politley" asking them NOT to beat the cr*ps out of ya, smash
ya cam and take away ya cf AFTER they have done that? Same deal
here ....
BTW, do you really think when you delete a pic, it's actually
"deleted" from the cf??? Boy, you've gotta lot to learn! (hint:
don't give that CF card you've used in your bedroom to anyone!
You can thank me later ....
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