E-10 and Telescope: Anyone Done It?

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Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel
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Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
Joe,

I have a Meade 90 and I have been looking for a solution as well. Because we have a fixed lens on the camera, we obviously cannot use prime focus on a telescope which would involve removal of the camera lens and attaching the camera directly to the viewfinder port. However, the camera can be adapted to use eyepiece projection. The problem is how to attach the camera to the eyepiece in order to do this. Tom at CKC Power http://www.ckcpower.com/ has an eyepiece adapter that couples to a T-Mount ring. This will work but we need to find a 62mm to T-mount adapter coupling ring. I must ask Tom about this! The other problem of course is the weight of the E-10. It cannot just be attached to the telescope eyepiece and left hanging in the breeze. A tripod will be needed to support it on top of the telescope. As you see it can be done but not without some hassel.
Peter
 
I have a friend that made me one in the past for the Olympus 2500 and the Orion JX66. Not very good results, but I'm telling you this so you know where to have on made. If your interested just give me the information and I'll contact my friend who runs a machine shop.
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
Joe,
I have a Meade 90 and I have been looking for a solution as well.
Because we have a fixed lens on the camera, we obviously cannot use
prime focus on a telescope which would involve removal of the
camera lens and attaching the camera directly to the viewfinder
port. However, the camera can be adapted to use eyepiece
projection. The problem is how to attach the camera to the eyepiece
in order to do this. Tom at CKC Power http://www.ckcpower.com/ has
an eyepiece adapter that couples to a T-Mount ring. This will work
but we need to find a 62mm to T-mount adapter coupling ring. I must
ask Tom about this! The other problem of course is the weight of
the E-10. It cannot just be attached to the telescope eyepiece and
left hanging in the breeze. A tripod will be needed to support it
on top of the telescope. As you see it can be done but not without
some hassel.
Peter
 
Barry Carter has much knowledge and expertise in this area. Here is a link to his site. http://oeonline.oeonline.com/~chiron/home.html
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
 
I have a Meade 90 and I have been looking for a solution as well.
Because we have a fixed lens on the camera, we obviously cannot use
prime focus on a telescope which would involve removal of the
camera lens and attaching the camera directly to the viewfinder
port. However, the camera can be adapted to use eyepiece
projection. The problem is how to attach the camera to the eyepiece
in order to do this. Tom at CKC Power http://www.ckcpower.com/ has
an eyepiece adapter that couples to a T-Mount ring. This will work
but we need to find a 62mm to T-mount adapter coupling ring. I must
ask Tom about this! The other problem of course is the weight of
the E-10. It cannot just be attached to the telescope eyepiece and
left hanging in the breeze. A tripod will be needed to support it
on top of the telescope. As you see it can be done but not without
some hassel.
Peter
Joe,

Further to my previous post, I contacted Tom at CKC Power. Unfortunately there is no 62mm to T-mount adapter available which means that we can't couple the eyepiece of the telescope to the E-10 optics in any elegant way. I'll keep looking!
Peter
 
I have a Meade 90 and I have been looking for a solution as well.
Because we have a fixed lens on the camera, we obviously cannot use
prime focus on a telescope which would involve removal of the
camera lens and attaching the camera directly to the viewfinder
port. However, the camera can be adapted to use eyepiece
projection. The problem is how to attach the camera to the eyepiece
in order to do this. Tom at CKC Power http://www.ckcpower.com/ has
an eyepiece adapter that couples to a T-Mount ring. This will work
but we need to find a 62mm to T-mount adapter coupling ring. I must
ask Tom about this! The other problem of course is the weight of
the E-10. It cannot just be attached to the telescope eyepiece and
left hanging in the breeze. A tripod will be needed to support it
on top of the telescope. As you see it can be done but not without
some hassel.
Peter
Joe,
Further to my previous post, I contacted Tom at CKC Power.
Unfortunately there is no 62mm to T-mount adapter available which
means that we can't couple the eyepiece of the telescope to the
E-10 optics in any elegant way. I'll keep looking!
Peter
Peter,

How about a 62mm to xxmm stepdown ring? I have found a few of those. There might be some vignetting, but presumably the subject would mostly be in the center. I'm not quite clear on the eyepiece projection part, however. I bought a Meade 114 (huge thing). It's a little less pricey than the EXT90-EC, and I figured if it wound up (like most of my other projects) in the basement covered with dust, I wouldn't feel quite so guilty. But I do have the Autostar Controller setup which obviously would be required for long exposures. I'll also keep looking.
PS, congrats on the POTD!

Joe H
 
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
I did it by combining a Canon AF ring with a 62 mm ring of the Cokin Creative System Filter (see photo 1 at http://www.ticino.com/usr/dmarcis/astro.htm ). I simply put the 2 rings together with a little glue. The Canon ring is a little smaller than the hole of the 62 mm ring, so you can fix them together without problems. Sorry for my bad english.

Antares 4 (from Switzerland)
 
One thing I found - and I don't know the solution - is that the bulb setting on the E10 appears to be limited to 30 seconds max.

Also, I had a lot of trouble getting the camera to stay set to infinity.

This turned up when I was taking fixed tripod shots of the night sky

(see http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html ). If you set the manual focus ring to its "maximum" the focus is quite often not sharply set on infinity. At least, that's what I found, and I'd be intersted to find if anyone else has that problem. Autofocus is similarly variable, but seems, oddly to be more reliable. It could be my technique, but feedback would be appreciated on others' findings.

Also, any answer to the apparent maximum for bulb.

DN
 
Whoops!

The URL below attaches a ')' to the string. The correct URL is

http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html

DN
One thing I found - and I don't know the solution - is that the
bulb setting on the E10 appears to be limited to 30 seconds max.

Also, I had a lot of trouble getting the camera to stay set to
infinity.

This turned up when I was taking fixed tripod shots of the night sky
(see http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html ). If you set the
manual focus ring to its "maximum" the focus is quite often not
sharply set on infinity. At least, that's what I found, and I'd be
intersted to find if anyone else has that problem. Autofocus is
similarly variable, but seems, oddly to be more reliable. It could
be my technique, but feedback would be appreciated on others'
findings.

Also, any answer to the apparent maximum for bulb.

DN
 
You can always try using a tripod and focusing in the Macro mode on the lens of the telescope sounds crazy but I took this picture with a Canon Elan 2 (film remember that?) no reason the e10 cant do the same plus you can see the picture to adjust the exposure
Paul V
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1593842&a=12139158&p=47628325
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
 
Thanks, David

I think your shots look great - much better than I'd expected possible. Can you share how you attached the E-10? Some of us are fumbling a bit for answers on this.

Joe Hawblitzel
The URL below attaches a ')' to the string. The correct URL is

http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html

DN
One thing I found - and I don't know the solution - is that the
bulb setting on the E10 appears to be limited to 30 seconds max.

Also, I had a lot of trouble getting the camera to stay set to
infinity.

This turned up when I was taking fixed tripod shots of the night sky
(see http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html ). If you set the
manual focus ring to its "maximum" the focus is quite often not
sharply set on infinity. At least, that's what I found, and I'd be
intersted to find if anyone else has that problem. Autofocus is
similarly variable, but seems, oddly to be more reliable. It could
be my technique, but feedback would be appreciated on others'
findings.

Also, any answer to the apparent maximum for bulb.

DN
 
Hi Joe,

The images aren't using a 'scope, just the standard E10 lens. It is a remarkably good lens, especially since it is a zoom, with the compromizes that involves in lens design. So I can't help re attaching to a scope, unfortunately.

However, the problems I had getting the E10 to focus on infinity and the - apparent - maximum 30 seconds for Bulb (see attached post below) will also be problems if you do attach to a 'scope. I hope somebody can answer these questions.

One thing I'd be inclined to try is to set the E10 to closest Macro focus and see if you can get sharp star images in the camera viewfinder - ie use the camera lens as the eyepiece. It might require some form of extension tube (the camera will need to be about 8" beyond the telescope's focal point). Or if you use the Macro lens, it might work even better. The connectors are going to be a problem until somebody starts making them commercially.

Considering the enthusiasm which the E10 is generating, I suspect there'll be a few manufacturers making adaptors for the E10 to Celestrons, Meades etc. Could be worth calling some of the people who advertise in Sky & Telescope to see if they are prepared to look at this opportunity!

One point of caution ... if I start taking images through the 'scope with my E10, I will problably get hooked and want to buy an expensive CCD imager!

Regards

DN
I think your shots look great - much better than I'd expected
possible. Can you share how you attached the E-10? Some of us are
fumbling a bit for answers on this.

Joe Hawblitzel
The URL below attaches a ')' to the string. The correct URL is

http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html

DN
One thing I found - and I don't know the solution - is that the
bulb setting on the E10 appears to be limited to 30 seconds max.

Also, I had a lot of trouble getting the camera to stay set to
infinity.

This turned up when I was taking fixed tripod shots of the night sky
(see http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html ). If you set the
manual focus ring to its "maximum" the focus is quite often not
sharply set on infinity. At least, that's what I found, and I'd be
intersted to find if anyone else has that problem. Autofocus is
similarly variable, but seems, oddly to be more reliable. It could
be my technique, but feedback would be appreciated on others'
findings.

Also, any answer to the apparent maximum for bulb.

DN
 
Thanks! This looks very promising. And I think your English is great.

Joe H
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
I did it by combining a Canon AF ring with a 62 mm ring of the
Cokin Creative System Filter (see photo 1 at
http://www.ticino.com/usr/dmarcis/astro.htm ). I simply put the 2
rings together with a little glue. The Canon ring is a little
smaller than the hole of the 62 mm ring, so you can fix them
together without problems. Sorry for my bad english.

Antares 4 (from Switzerland)
 
You can always try using a tripod and focusing in the Macro mode on
the lens of the telescope sounds crazy but I took this picture
with a Canon Elan 2 (film remember that?) no reason the e10 cant do
the same plus you can see the picture to adjust the exposure
Paul V
I got about the same results as you, Paul, with a Kodak 260 and my Questar. However, the E10 seems to suck as an astro camera. I couldn't get a focus holding the camera to the eyepiece, and prime focus was a foot or 2 a way from the telescope with a pea-sized image. Maybe I did something wrong, but the focal length or lens on the E10 seems to make use of a telescope or its eyepiece almost impossible. I saw one person's rig, but I wonder what the pictures look like? I thing the D30 must be a great astrocamera, given the low noise and smoothness of the chip, along with the ease of connection with a T ring or whatever its called.
Mike
 
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel
Joe, Unless that new toy you got has at least an eight inch apeture, you might try piggybacking the camera on it using the clock drive with good polar alignment to get your best images. DavidT.
 
You may like to look over this site http://www.scopetronix.com/ under the section for Astrophotography. Nothing specific for the E-10 but some interesting adapters...?
John W.
Joe H
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
I did it by combining a Canon AF ring with a 62 mm ring of the
Cokin Creative System Filter (see photo 1 at
http://www.ticino.com/usr/dmarcis/astro.htm ). I simply put the 2
rings together with a little glue. The Canon ring is a little
smaller than the hole of the 62 mm ring, so you can fix them
together without problems. Sorry for my bad english.

Antares 4 (from Switzerland)
 
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel
Joe, Unless that new toy you got has at least an eight inch
apeture, you might try piggybacking the camera on it using the
clock drive with good polar alignment to get your best images.
DavidT.

try "astrocam"your will have many links about astro photography with webcam and ccd.
 
This page looks promising, even for cameras that don't have threaded lenses.
http://www.scopetronix.com/

Joe Hawblitzel
Has anyone figured out how to mate the E-10 to a telescope? (Just
got another toy.) Since the lens is fixed, I know a T-adapter is
out of the question. It sounds like the whole enterprise is
doomed, but there are lots of smart people in this forum so I
thought I'd ask. Please don't make me buy a D30

Joe Hawblitzel

--
Joe Hawblitzel
 
David,

There was a thread somewhere about long exposure noise reduction. A second shot is taken with the lens cap on and eyepiece shutter closed. Use the same shutter time and just after the first shot is taken. Use PS to subtract the hot pixel noise from the picture.

Walter

PS excellent shots.
The URL below attaches a ')' to the string. The correct URL is

http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html

DN
One thing I found - and I don't know the solution - is that the
bulb setting on the E10 appears to be limited to 30 seconds max.

Also, I had a lot of trouble getting the camera to stay set to
infinity.

This turned up when I was taking fixed tripod shots of the night sky
(see http://www.dcnicholls.com/e10/astro.html ). If you set the
manual focus ring to its "maximum" the focus is quite often not
sharply set on infinity. At least, that's what I found, and I'd be
intersted to find if anyone else has that problem. Autofocus is
similarly variable, but seems, oddly to be more reliable. It could
be my technique, but feedback would be appreciated on others'
findings.

Also, any answer to the apparent maximum for bulb.

DN
 

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