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ttime4four said:
My old CRT was starting to fail and I recently got a 17 LCD with
specs good for gaming.

Now that I'm spending more time in PS, I want to ensure I have a
good set-up and have been drawn to the Apple displays. Are there
any good 17 or 19" LCDs that have good color and consistent
performance.

I'm currently using a Monaco Pro HW calibration tool.
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How do you like the Monaco?

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FJP
 
My pleasure, Frank:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10246297

You will, however, be subjected to a "rant" I included free of charge :)

Bob Peters
fjp said:
Robert Peters said:
Made it to the Japanese Garden a few weeks ago. Overcast, rainy,
WONDERFUL day for photography.
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See? I told you so! Overcast day at Japanese Gardens would be
heaven for photographer -- if you could keep the camera dry LOL!
fjp said:
As usual the posted images FLEW off
the first few pages. Such is life.
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I sure missed them! Could you post the link to your gallery in this
thread so I can take a look?

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FJP
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fjp said:
ttime4four said:
My old CRT was starting to fail and I recently got a 17 LCD with
specs good for gaming.

Now that I'm spending more time in PS, I want to ensure I have a
good set-up and have been drawn to the Apple displays. Are there
any good 17 or 19" LCDs that have good color and consistent
performance.

I'm currently using a Monaco Pro HW calibration tool.
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How do you like the Monaco?

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FJP
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I'm a digital imaging "noob" so I don't have any real comparisons. I'm trying to learn as a go.

Well my color reproduction is better after the Monaco purchase -- primarily went with this brand because of the store's recommendation - ProPhotoSupply in Portland OR and the fact there was a $50 MIR on the unit.

I'm printing on a Canon i9900 using Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl Paper with the ICC profile downloaded directly from Ilford.

http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/prod/spp.htm

I'm finding my prints before the Monaco / using the correct ICC was a bit on the "yellow" side. Now I'm just a bit "warm" but I need to add about +20 in a print only "brightness" layer to get the luminosity in the print to equal the display. Still fine tuning. Since I'm using DVI for my LCD, I cannot tune the brightness / contrast the way the Monaco instructions would have me do it -- might try switching to analog for a while.

Sorry to go off on a tangent...

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John
ttime4four at gmail dot com
http://www.pbase.com/ttime4four
 
fjp said:
ejbartlett said:
Any other crt recommendations?
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I wish they still made mine, which is five years old and dimmer
than it originally was, but still just as sharp. It is a
Cornerstone p1700, the tube made by Hitachi but the electronics
specified by Cornerstone and superior to the original Hitachi
monitors. But, alas, Cornerstone gave up on the p1700 and came out
with an inferior trinitron tube. The original p1700 was just too
expensive, I guess.

CRTs seem to be getting short-shrift these days, since LCDs are so
much sexier. I, too, would like to hear about people's recent
experience with high end CRTs since my Cornerstone ain't going to
last forever.

If you don't mind shelling out $4,000, IBM makes a 210 dpi 22" LCD
monitor that runs at 3840x2400. You also need a $600 video card to
go with it. Don't buy it from IBM. Their price is $9,000, but
someone else sells it for about $4,000. My son has one. He says
it's like looking at fine arts lithographic prints. How would you
like to do image processing on something like THAT?

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FJP
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Nikon D70
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Robert Peters said:
I use a 17 inch LCD (Apple Studio Display, 1280x1024) and the
colors are VERY accurate. I'm a very happy camper.
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I’ve been using a 17” Apple Studio Display for nearly three years now and I agree with Peter vary accurate and stable colour much sharper and brighter than any CRT. The new Apple Studio Display are even better. Highly recommended for accurate colour work and extended use.
 
fjp said:
ttime4four said:
My old CRT was starting to fail and I recently got a 17 LCD with
specs good for gaming.

Now that I'm spending more time in PS, I want to ensure I have a
good set-up and have been drawn to the Apple displays. Are there
any good 17 or 19" LCDs that have good color and consistent
performance.

I'm currently using a Monaco Pro HW calibration tool.
Click to expand...
How do you like the Monaco?

--
FJP
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I have had the Monaco for a year or so. It's okay for setting up monitor, but not impressive for a printer. End up making a lot of prints and tweaking again and again.

One minus for Monaco is that their free support period is very short. 30 or 90 days.

As for monitors, I notice that Samsung has a 19" LCD for ~$670 with a contrast ratio of 800. I'd like to take a closer look at this one.

One suggested high end CRT monitor is the Sony Artisan Color Reference System that comes with cal setup. Don't remember details, but pricy. Mentioned in Photoshop User mag, Dec 2003, p.26.

Joe
 
Regardless of whether your looking at LCD's or CRT's the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2060u 22" has the best picture corner to corner. I purchased mine at the link below. They are refurbished and sell for $379.

http://www.azatek.com/details.asp?iid=578

Also check this article on Toms Hardware:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20020805/index.htm
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lilwawa said:
fjp said:
liquidstuckey said:
If your interest is purely the best monitor for digital imaging,
stay away from LCDs. Getting accurate colors on them is a
nightmare.

The NEC Diamond Pro 930SB is 19" and comes with a hardware color
calibrator:
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Trouble is, it's only 19". I couldn't live without my 16"x12" CRT
which I run at 120 dpi (1920x1440). Try running at that resolution
on a 19". You won't be able to read anything unless you set the
fonts at 150%.
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FJP
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Here is the link to Toms Hardware:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20020805/index.html
nallA said:
http://www.azatek.com/details.asp?iid=578

Also check this article on Toms Hardware:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20020805/index.htm
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lilwawa said:
fjp said:
liquidstuckey said:
If your interest is purely the best monitor for digital imaging,
stay away from LCDs. Getting accurate colors on them is a
nightmare.

The NEC Diamond Pro 930SB is 19" and comes with a hardware color
calibrator:
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Trouble is, it's only 19". I couldn't live without my 16"x12" CRT
which I run at 120 dpi (1920x1440). Try running at that resolution
on a 19". You won't be able to read anything unless you set the
fonts at 150%.
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FJP
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My CRT's were nice, very colorful and the images popped off the screen! But after calibration, they were really toned down. I find my LCD's are alot better for what I am doing, they calibrate perfectly and match my printer perfectly. They are also slimmer and dont make my computer room NEARLY as hot. The only appealing thing to me about that Diamond Pro is the 22 inches, except for they are DEEEEEEEEEP, I would need a custom desk made to fit 2 of them side by side and I would be sitting 10 feet from the wall. What is that 22" viewable? I had an NEC 21" and it was only about 19.5 viewable.
 
When down to the wire...CRT's are preferable over LCD's

I did not have the room on my desk for the monitors I would have needed for this kind of work....so I like you....went for the LCD route.

I ended up with 2 CTL 9Gx monitors.....and am quite pleased with their performance.

Their not too expensive either for 19" units at $580.00 each US.

I use SpyderPro so calibrate them, and have looked at edited images on CRTs that have also been calibrated, and I like the results.

Is it perfect....probably not.....is it darned nice....you bet!

If you need a scalpel.....get the CRT.....if a EXTREEMLY sharp knife will do......LCD's will probably do quite well.

My .02

Roman

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http://www.pbase.com/romansphotos/

http://www.romanjohnston.com
 
NO left / right dimming; slight dimming if you lower your head to keyboard level. Best monitor I have ever tried.

Personally, I own a Vaio laptop with a 15" X-black display: same performance as the stand alone unit. It is like viewing pics on lab prints.

Ciao,

M
ejbartlett said:
About to go for the new dell 2001 FP 20" 1600x1200 16ms.

I have already heard some great things about this monitor, but
wondered what other people were using?

No room for a CRT unfortunately.

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Nikon D70
http://edbartlett6649.fotopic.net/c173125.html
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Greets from Rome

Mauro
 
liquidstuckey said:
The NEC Diamond Pro 930SB is 19" and comes with a hardware color
calibrator:
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That's why I popped on to this thread.

My NEC is blurry! I recently upgraded to Windows XP and for some reason (don't ask me why) I have noticed that the image is really not sharp at all. I have monkeyed with all the resolutions, etc, and the icons and text stink!

So, I am looking for a new Monitor, and sorry to say I am going to have to stay away from NEC. My Dad had an NEC a few years back and everytime I used his PC I would say "Hey, this is blurry" My question, unanswered so far, is do NEC monitors and others loose their lock on focus over time? Mine is a Accusync 90, and does not have a focus adjustment port that I can find at least...

HELP ME> > ....

LOL.....looking at the LaCie site, nice stuff..

I agree, stay away from LCD for now, they will be come better than CRT's in the future and will be cheaper, but they aren't there yet....at least dollar for dollar....
 
Mike,

I'm a grahic designer and have to prepare jobs for commercial printers. I did a lot of asking around before I decided on an accurate monitor. The general consensus around here was the LaCie Electron22blue IV. I think I paid about $700. It's a big honker! but VERY accurate color and detail. (The large screen is real handy for photoshop work).
Phil
 
All the advice on this forum was to ditch LCD...I read, digested, and then ignored it when I saw the size of the monitors I wanted! 22" CRT's are truly massive.

Went for the Lacie 20" LCD. In the UK it is £650 which isn't too bad seeing as it started out at £1100+.

Lovely colours and resolution and I don't feel that I've missed out at all on buying a CRT - apart from spending a bit too much of course.
eggman52 said:
Mike,
I'm a grahic designer and have to prepare jobs for commercial
printers. I did a lot of asking around before I decided on an
accurate monitor. The general consensus around here was the LaCie
Electron22blue IV. I think I paid about $700. It's a big honker!
but VERY accurate color and detail. (The large screen is real handy
for photoshop work).
Phil
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2 weeks ago I got a 19 inch LCD and my old KDS 17 inch Trintron has so much better image quality, I wish I would of did what I was told and that was to stay away from the LCD for now, they can't compare to a good tube.
 
A 22" crt is the equivalent size of a 20" tft, anyway and ive had my lacie photon 20 and the colours are just fine, i prefer it to my huge iiyama vision master pro 22" :)
PeterRH said:
Went for the Lacie 20" LCD. In the UK it is £650 which isn't too
bad seeing as it started out at £1100+.

Lovely colours and resolution and I don't feel that I've missed out
at all on buying a CRT - apart from spending a bit too much of
course.
eggman52 said:
Mike,
I'm a grahic designer and have to prepare jobs for commercial
printers. I did a lot of asking around before I decided on an
accurate monitor. The general consensus around here was the LaCie
Electron22blue IV. I think I paid about $700. It's a big honker!
but VERY accurate color and detail. (The large screen is real handy
for photoshop work).
Phil
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If your pro....a slight edge will come from using a CRT. Flat screen should be ok.....most important .....make sure you save the money for a calibrator like spyder pro. Its under 200.00 and will make a HUGE diffrence.

Roman
ejbartlett said:
About to go for the new dell 2001 FP 20" 1600x1200 16ms.

I have already heard some great things about this monitor, but
wondered what other people were using?

No room for a CRT unfortunately.

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Nikon D70
http://edbartlett6649.fotopic.net/c173125.html
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http://www.pbase.com/romansphotos/

http://www.romanjohnston.com
 
CRT will always be better quality.
LaCie makes amazing CRTs.

If you want an LCD, thats going to cost. Finding a quality one is hard to do and they are expensive. Only ones i have any experience with are Apple LCDs and they are MUCH nicer than most LCDs on the market.
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-Daniel
http://www.dmora.com
 
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