digital backlash?

good advice! i like that thought. then you would pretty much get the same exposure throughout, providing the light doesn't change dramatically.

bruce

Bill Hall said:

Not exactly what you wanted, but it's pretty easy to do.

boneal said:

question ... in the program mode, is there a way to lock exposure
for multiple frames in the program modes? outside of using the
aforementioned button?

bruce

samjstern said:

Learn to love that spot metering and half press to lock exposure
and focus, custom setting # 16.

Check out my old posts.

I have a feeling your pics will be great and you will put that film
guy to shane.

Sam

CIASpook said:

Plus, she's just an ex-girlfriend...so no pressure

They are getting film from the Uncle and digital from me. I have
no idea how good he is...but I hope I blow him away Like I have
any clue about what I'm doing...but I'm gonna try!!

tfultz said:

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

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Most of the wedding photography I see is so bad it could be shot a
camera phone and no one would care...

I wouldn't worry. She probably read it in a bridal magazine column
somewhere that digital photgraphy is non-archival or some other
nonsense like that.

As you may be able to tell I'm a little anti-wedding industry...

--
http://www.pbase.com/tfultz

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I'm a man... and I can change... if I have to... I guess...

• Red Green

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i guess i was asking about 'AE-L hold'. you can press it once and it locks the exposure until you press AE-L again. that could come in very handy.

bruce

jfriend00 said:

samjstern said:

Hey CIASpook,

Learn to love that spot metering and half press to lock exposure
and focus, custom setting # 16.

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On my D70, it sure looks like it's custom setting #15 (not #16)
that controls which things lock on a half press. I've set mine for
focus and exposure lock on a half press.

--John

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i feel you on that one. so many people want to do their own printing these days (in fact, one wedding couple just asked for the disc outright ... they did not even want prints) that i am beginning to offer that as an option. i just shoot it and give 'em a disc at the end. less hassle for me too.

bruce

CIASpook said:

Well, I plan on giving her the CD so they can have anyone print
them and not have to depend on me. THat's my wedding gift. But
I'd be more than happy to print for them, especially large size
stuff.

Michael Meissner said:

CIASpook said:

I'm doing my first wedding. I insisted on being a back up
photographer ONLY. That way, if my pictures are better than her
uncle's using film, it's not MY fault

Plus, she's just an ex-girlfriend...so no pressure

They are getting film from the Uncle and digital from me. I have
no idea how good he is...but I hope I blow him away Like I have
any clue about what I'm doing...but I'm gonna try!!

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Be sure to deliver prints in addition or instead of CD, since you
wouldn't want her comparing the result of your work if printed on a
substandard printer.

Resist the temptation to do something 'cute' like drawing mustashes
on her in photoshop even if you have any bad feelings from when you
two were an item.

See the articles where I posted some tips:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&message=10308310
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&message=10313880

(and see the reply to the last one where the guy ignored the advice
in the second article).

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so true ... i have seen some really cheap 35mm bodies as well.

i actually took some pics on my coolpix 4300 and blew them up at home on my canon i900D ... people thought i had a much better camera (at the time) and that i used some expensive process to get the print. i think a lot of times it is miseducation and misinformation out that that is working against digital photographers.

bruce

Bartman01 said:

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

bruce

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Depends. If it were my wedding, I wouldn't care about digital
vs. film 35mm SLR shots. I WOULD care about 35mm vs Medium Format
though. If one photographer shot 35mm only, and the other shot
35mm/Medium Format - I would choose the latter. Even more
important than that would be if the portfolio matched my personal
tastes and expectations.

In this case, given that the "customer is always right", it might
be in your best interest to pick up a decent film body or two that
can use your lenses. That way if you get a potential customer that
demands film you can oblige.

There is a lot of misinformation out there, and most peoples
experiance with digital is a cheap phone or P&S camera. For
example I printed some 8x10 and 5x7 shots from my D70 at Walmart
and had the people behind the counter (who see digital prints all
day) commenting on the the quality and asking if I had a 8+MP
camera. I would bet those people at Walmart are much more
representative of the publics experiance with digital than you will
get on this board.

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Picked my wedding photographer based on the quality of his portfolio and my budget - anyone who does otherwise is stupid. But I do consider the fact that he used an S2 as a bonus. Pictures were on the web within 10 days, ad my proof book was ready almost as fast.

sean

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

bruce

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Perhaps you should have just put down Nikon SLR as the equipment.

She might think you where going to use a P&S and get the same result as her farther does with his...

boneal said:

Bartman01 said:

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

bruce

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Depends. If it were my wedding, I wouldn't care about digital
vs. film 35mm SLR shots. I WOULD care about 35mm vs Medium Format
though. If one photographer shot 35mm only, and the other shot
35mm/Medium Format - I would choose the latter. Even more
important than that would be if the portfolio matched my personal
tastes and expectations.

In this case, given that the "customer is always right", it might
be in your best interest to pick up a decent film body or two that
can use your lenses. That way if you get a potential customer that
demands film you can oblige.

There is a lot of misinformation out there, and most peoples
experiance with digital is a cheap phone or P&S camera. For
example I printed some 8x10 and 5x7 shots from my D70 at Walmart
and had the people behind the counter (who see digital prints all
day) commenting on the the quality and asking if I had a 8+MP
camera. I would bet those people at Walmart are much more
representative of the publics experiance with digital than you will
get on this board.

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Pete Dyson

I have an SB800, 50mm 1.8D, 18-70mm (Kit), and a 70-300mm D lens.

And plenty of Energizer Lithium AA batteries (need to get rechargables though to reduce cost) which are very nice. I don't know how long they last, but I got well over a 1,000 flashes.

samjstern said:

Spot off of the face of the bride,
It is consistent, and a darn good place to focus.
Check out custom setting # 16 on page 148.
It can be set so that half press locks both focus and exposure.
Then you recompose and take the picture.
It works very well and also ensures that the faces are in focus,

Are you using a flash, an SB-800 I hope

Sam Stern

CIASpook said:

samjstern said:

Learn to love that spot metering and half press to lock exposure
and focus, custom setting # 16.

Check out my old posts.

I have a feeling your pics will be great and you will put that film
guy to shane.

Sam

CIASpook said:

Plus, she's just an ex-girlfriend...so no pressure

They are getting film from the Uncle and digital from me. I have
no idea how good he is...but I hope I blow him away Like I have
any clue about what I'm doing...but I'm gonna try!!

tfultz said:

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

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Most of the wedding photography I see is so bad it could be shot a
camera phone and no one would care...

I wouldn't worry. She probably read it in a bridal magazine column
somewhere that digital photgraphy is non-archival or some other
nonsense like that.

As you may be able to tell I'm a little anti-wedding industry...

--
http://www.pbase.com/tfultz

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a fair skinned Chinese woman.

I think it's an outdoor wedding as well at a local golf course.

Michael Meissner said:

samjstern said:

Hey Mr. CIASpook,

Spot off of the face of the bride,
It is consistent, and a darn good place to focus.

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Though I would imagine that is only a guideline. If the bride is
excessively pale or has a darker complexion, you might need to find
something else to meter off of, perferably 18% gray.

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ignorant on this subject so it wouldn't surpise me.

I hope she doesn't read DPReview and see this...eh...she's an ex...who cares

Bartman01 said:

CIASpook said:

Well, I plan on giving her the CD so they can have anyone print
them and not have to depend on me. THat's my wedding gift. But
I'd be more than happy to print for them, especially large size
stuff.

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I would at least print a couple of the best shots as 5x7 or 8x10.
That way she can see a direct comparison to the film prints from a
controlled print source.

If she prints from the CD using a 4 color printer on plain paper
she may not realize the quality she can get from the digital images.

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For a photographer, that is the best thing to do. Look at their final PRODUCT. Who cares what equipment they use? if I was getting married, he could use a pen and paper and draw my wedding photos for all I care. As long as they have the final end result that I want. Which you wouldn't be able to do with a pen and paper (wow, just imagine!!) but I could careless if they use digital or film. I would just want to make sure that I'm not feeling like, "Wow, I could have done BETTER" after the seeing the pictures. Cause then I definately chose the wrong photographer regardless of equipment.

msfphoto said:

sean

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

bruce

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LOL ... yeah, maybe you're right ... or was that a joke that i just didn't get. i try to let people know what i shoot with so that they know what they are getting. i am just not sure what she meant, but i really can't be bothered. it is water under the bridge at this point anyhow. i was just wondering if anyone else has seen these kinds of purist comments about their digital work.

bruce

seaodyssey said:

seaodyssey said:

Bartman01 said:

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

bruce

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Depends. If it were my wedding, I wouldn't care about digital
vs. film 35mm SLR shots. I WOULD care about 35mm vs Medium Format
though. If one photographer shot 35mm only, and the other shot
35mm/Medium Format - I would choose the latter. Even more
important than that would be if the portfolio matched my personal
tastes and expectations.

In this case, given that the "customer is always right", it might
be in your best interest to pick up a decent film body or two that
can use your lenses. That way if you get a potential customer that
demands film you can oblige.

There is a lot of misinformation out there, and most peoples
experiance with digital is a cheap phone or P&S camera. For
example I printed some 8x10 and 5x7 shots from my D70 at Walmart
and had the people behind the counter (who see digital prints all
day) commenting on the the quality and asking if I had a 8+MP
camera. I would bet those people at Walmart are much more
representative of the publics experiance with digital than you will
get on this board.

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Pete Dyson

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boneal said:

but that is assuming it is a white wedding (no offense, but
subjects and clothing are not always white). how does it work with
darker skinned and colored (dresses). would you still meter off
the faces?

bruce

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Bruce,

I suspect that my sarcasm was lost upon you then?

But in all honesty, I never meter off the skin. I find it's best to take an incident reading - which I find to be far more neutral - and go from there.

And of course there's the issue of knowing your equipment, and how it performs in certain known situations. It becomes pretty much a set and forget situation once you've done it a few times.

boneal said:

Gary Stark said:

Michael Meissner said:

excessively pale or has a darker complexion, you might need to find
something else to meter off of, perferably 18% gray.

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Which would be the bride's face.

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g.
Gary Stark
[email protected]
http://sydney.D70Users.com
Down under in Sydney, Oz.
D70, CP5700, CP950, F801, FE2, Nikkormat FTN

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g.
Gary Stark
[email protected]
http://sydney.D70Users.com
Down under in Sydney, Oz.
D70, CP5700, CP950, F801, FE2, Nikkormat FTN

We kind of went through this in the video business. Two years ago, if you wanted something to look pristine, many people still wanted their spots or music videos only shot on 35mm or 16mm film. Film did and still does look better than digital video/HD in some aspects.

While I love my D70, I still must admit that the limited exposure latitude is not as good as film and that there is something slightly "missing" from the digital images. I am also sure that if I had a better eye and Photoshop skills, I could mitigate almost all of these digital shortcomings in retouching.

Film, unless you are wealthy, is basically a dead issue for many shooters. Digital video and photography is, overall, a better way to go. Much more flexible, simple and economically viable.

It's her loss (assuming you are a good photographer).

Dan

CIASpook said:

msfphoto said:

sean

boneal said:

i recently put in a bid for a wedding. it had all the standard
stuff about photography including the camera type i shoot with.
she was NOT interested in digital AT ALL and in a nutshell said
"thanks but no thanks."

just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this phenomenon?

bruce

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When my fiance and I were looking for a wedding photographer, we considered a range of things. The most important parts for us were the skill and work ethic of the photographer, value for money (note: that does not mean cheapness), and availability of negatives (digital or film).

We spoke to many photographers, some film and some digital. Having a D70 myself, I wasn't scared about the quality of shots as maybe I would have been had I had no idea.

We like the idea that we can have one photo B&W, the next one colour without changing film. We like the idea that at our reception, photos for the day will be projected onto the wall. We detested the concept that I would need to pay a ridiculous rate per 6x4 print (we have permission to reprint once we have purchased the album). We like that if someone blinks in a photo, you know there and then, and it can be taken again. Sure we would like digital to have better dynamic range and less noise, but all in all we were leaning towards digital from the start.

A family friend of ours and film photographer said he had stopped doing weddings because he could not compete on price, and didn't want to pay all the money to set up digital this close to retirement.

Film is great, and if the noise and dynamic range of digital are unacceptable, it is the only choice, but for us digital was a better solution.