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I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment on?

AJ
 
Please do a search on this forum. This question has been asked many times.
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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If the only differences you can name are 3 FPS and -S lenses, ...there is a whole LOT of homework to do. ;-)

There is plenty of discussion available here at DPR and elsewhere, to help you do it.

Your $3000 buys considerably more than 3FPS!
Brian said:
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?
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Check out Rob Galraith's forum - he has used the 1D2extensively and the 20D intensively for this sort of use.
The frames per second are far from the only differences he sees.

Read his review on his site, and check his forums for his comments scattered there.
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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Where do you see the 1D Mark II listed for $4299?
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299.
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Digitalguy,

Here is a list of features which the 1D MII has over the 20D that I have gathered from a bunch of postings in the last few weeks.

Weather sealing, 45 point AF, 1.3 crop factor, BT-ED functionality a part of body, more custom functions, longer shutter life, spot metering, better dynamic range, more FPS, larger buffer, 100% view finder, two memory slots, interchangeable focusing screen, more rugged body build.

I have a 10D right now and I'm saving up for the 1D MII as I would rather have the pro body (I'm going to be saving for a while though). I just laugh when I see the posts in the 20D forum stating "20D as good as 1D MII" and "1D MII owners have to feel jipped"; just becuase it is a 8MP doesn't mean it's in the same class and these people are fooling themselves.
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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BT-ED???? What is it?
shawn finger said:
Weather sealing, 45 point AF, 1.3 crop factor, BT-ED functionality
a part of body, more custom functions, longer shutter life, spot
metering, better dynamic range, more FPS, larger buffer, 100% view
finder, two memory slots, interchangeable focusing screen, more
rugged body build.

I have a 10D right now and I'm saving up for the 1D MII as I would
rather have the pro body (I'm going to be saving for a while
though). I just laugh when I see the posts in the 20D forum
stating "20D as good as 1D MII" and "1D MII owners have to feel
jipped"; just becuase it is a 8MP doesn't mean it's in the same
class and these people are fooling themselves.
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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The build quality and functionality is what will persuade you to go down the 1 series route. If you don't want to spend that sort of money, don't try one because if you do you will have to buy one!
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Chris Clark
 
Search. The two cameras have zippo to do with each other.
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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Jacques,

I'm not sure, as I stated I had gathered the list from other postings. I'm thinking maybe the poster ment a built in larger battery capacity like th BG-ED3 for the 10D... just my guess though.
Jacques Fournier said:
shawn finger said:
Weather sealing, 45 point AF, 1.3 crop factor, BT-ED functionality
a part of body, more custom functions, longer shutter life, spot
metering, better dynamic range, more FPS, larger buffer, 100% view
finder, two memory slots, interchangeable focusing screen, more
rugged body build.

I have a 10D right now and I'm saving up for the 1D MII as I would
rather have the pro body (I'm going to be saving for a while
though). I just laugh when I see the posts in the 20D forum
stating "20D as good as 1D MII" and "1D MII owners have to feel
jipped"; just becuase it is a 8MP doesn't mean it's in the same
class and these people are fooling themselves.
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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Thanks for all the response, sorry if I asked a redundant question, I'll have to check out Galbraith's site.

It is at Onecall for $4299 but you have to be a PASS member, which doesnt cost anything. It's in the form of an instant rebate when you add it to the cart.

AJ
Chris Clark said:
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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The build quality and functionality is what will persuade you to go
down the 1 series route. If you don't want to spend that sort of
money, don't try one because if you do you will have to buy one!
--
Chris Clark
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frety said:
Search. The two cameras have zippo to do with each other.
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Not to be argumentative, but they both can:

Take professional photos
Turn out masterpieces
Make your wife’s day with a photo of your kids
Make lots of money in the right hands

They are both Just a tool - no more, no less. Right tool for the right job and in most cases if you have skill and experience, you can be just as successful with either. (One may just make it easier to get there:-)
-Steven
 
I would wait until I hear a few more user reports on the 20D, check out some pictures on the web and then make my decision. If you ask this question now you will get a lot of answers from others based purely on speculation about the quality and problems of the 20D.

The 1DMkII is a wonderful camera. I have one. I've not had the issues many others have had. Lots of my RAW picture are sharp right from the camera and I have no need to sharpen!! The auto white balance is, generally, spot on and the exposures are excellent. I agree with many that, apparently, the dynamic range of the camera is greater than others, even though Canon says not.

$3000 makes the difference between these cameras. Does it buy enough of a difference. If your money supply is tight ... I would wait for more data on the 20D ... otherwise buy the 1DMkII.

Barry
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299. With the 20D's becoming available at $1499 I am wondering
if I should consider just getting one of those. For shooting sports
like football and basket ball is the 8 fps gonna be worth the extra
money? Or will 5 fps be fast enough? I cannot see any other
differences between the two other than the 20D will also accept
EF-S lenses. Does anybody have both cameras that they might comment
on?

AJ
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Barry in Frederick, Md.
 
Although I have only had the 20D for a couple of days, my thoughts...

The difference between 8fps and 5fps means little to me as I rarely use more than one or two shots at a time because I anticipate the action. Even 8fps is not good enough to get the exact moment unless you are ready to anticipate the action on the first shot. After the first shot its luck to get the perfect moment, even at 8fps. 5fps will give you more chances to get lucky, but won't help that first shot.

20D pros...

The 20D focuses about as accurately and as fast as my MK II in one shot mode, haven't tested AI Servo yet on the 20D. Focus in low light is as good (specs say better) than the MK II. The 20D takes great pictures and gives your lens more apparent reach due to the 1.6 FOV crop vs the 1.3 FOV crop. The 20D is smaller and lighter. Both have similiar excellent high ISO performance. Save $3000 to spend on high quality glass. Free DPP and PS Elements software (not important to me as I own CS but important to some folks).

20D cons...

Loose a little wide angle due to crop which doesn't matter to me as I am more often zoomed all the way out than all the way in. Viewfinder is smaller and less bright than MK II, more noticable in low light situations. Cannot adjust ISO less than one full stop. No option to show ISO in viewfinder, once you have had this feature its hard to live without it. The viewfinder shows useless shot buffer info in comparison to the usefullness of current ISO, makes you wonder if the Canon engineers ever actually do any shooting. No spot metering. Reds blow to easily in jpg mode (Mk II is prone to this too, easily solved, shoot RAW). Can't adjust the jpg quality higher than the preset level (maybe with the software, I only installed the DPP). Shutter is not as responsive as the MK II. Weather sealing is not an issue for me as I go inside if it rains.

20D other...

Picture quality is a tossup, both take about the same amount of sharpening on RAW files. Very slight edge to MK II. EF-S lenses are too slow IMHO so don't care if it uses them or not as I won't buy a zoom slower than 2.8.

20D conclusion...

I wanted a lightweight camera that uses my current lens lineup and CF cards to use as a point and shoot / backup to the MK II...the 20D fills that role perfectly. For the price, the 20D is the best thing going. The MK II is better than I am, but am growing into it. The 20D appears to be good enough for me to consider selling the MK II and using the money for longer glass but am lucky that money is not an issue for me so am keeping both and buying some longer glass for Christmas.

Depends on how easy you drop $4500 vs how easy you drop $1500. If you don't already have some high quality lens, would get the 20D and some L zooms and primes. Whatever you decide, happy shooting!

Regards,
John
 
Digitalguy

Seems to work well compared to the MKII, though it's balance with long glass and no tripod is crazy. B&W feature makes no sense to me. Much better than the 10D focusing in alservo. All around for the money an great buy.
Will
http://willfrance.com/
 
It was posted on techbargins.com and pricegrabber.com that way. I think Onecall had one of those links like B&H does every now and then when they have a posted price, and a link that reads "email me a better price".

The better price was $4299, or something close to that.
Brian Caslis said:
Bret Spencer said:
kazus14 said:
Brian Caslis said:
Digitalguy said:
I have been considering purchasing a 1DMKII which I see has dropped
to $4299.
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Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level,
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Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience. ;-)
 
Many of these features are not needed for most people. For many people who went to the mkII because of the lack of performance of the 10D the 20D is probably a better fit.

I owned a mkII and still have a 1D. I really love the 1D. I just received my 20D today so I haven't had any time to form an opinion on it but there are 2 first impressions that I have. The first is that it's low light focus ability is absolutely amazing. It locks very fast in very low light.

The second also has to do with focussing. I like to use the * button for focussing. On the mkII and on my 1D I always felt that there was a slight delay in focussing when I'd push the * button. I don't notice any kind of a delay with the 20D when I use the * button for focussing. I'm not saying that the 20D focusses faster. I am saying that the 20D seems to start focussing faster.

There are features that I'm going to miss about the 1-series. However, I can live without them. With the 20D Canon has finally given us a non-1-series camera that does perform well enough to be able to be used for action.

I can't comment on the picture quality until we get some good RAW processing support. I can say that the high ISO performance is more than a stop better then the 1D. ISO 3200 is more useable on the 20D then 1250 is on the original 1D.

Of coarse these are first impressions that are based on very little time with the 20D but this camera is definately a winner. The 20D is certainly more then enough camera for most people and also for many pros.

A quick comment about the crop factor. This is definately a problem for some and no big deal for others. The 17-40L makes this no big deal for me. It's actually going to make my 70-200L IS more useful for my son's soccer provided that the RAW buffer dumps fast. I've got a feeling that the 17-85 IS is going to turn out to be a very good lens. If it does then this will also make the crop factor less of an issue for many people.

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http://dslr.mocanu.com
 
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