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I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an interesting lesson in sociology. 3 years ago, the CP900 was released and many were pleased to see a serious offering from the great Nikon god. Then 2 years ago, our diety released the CP950 and we were appeased. 1 year ago, the heavens opened up and the 990 became the camera to own in the under $1000 market.

Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade our 35mm equipment every year?

I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made. Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a coat pocket and costs no more than $500.

Nikon is pretty smart if you ask me. They have a large portion of the serious consumer market. There hasn't been sufficient time to develop the next evolution in this line of their product. So they do what they have to, to keep the new adopters from going to Canon or Sony and release a bandaid product. Anyone wondering why they just went from 990-995 in the naming sequence????

If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those consummers who are making the jump to digital.

So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.
--JimmieD
 
JimmieD said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology. 3 years ago, the CP900 was
released and many were pleased to see a serious offering from the
great Nikon god. Then 2 years ago, our diety released the CP950
and we were appeased. 1 year ago, the heavens opened up and the
990 became the camera to own in the under $1000 market.

Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great
evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a
pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we
upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade
our 35mm equipment every year?

I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and
regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made.
Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a
coat pocket and costs no more than $500.

Nikon is pretty smart if you ask me. They have a large portion of
the serious consumer market. There hasn't been sufficient time to
develop the next evolution in this line of their product. So they
do what they have to, to keep the new adopters from going to Canon
or Sony and release a bandaid product. Anyone wondering why they
just went from 990-995 in the naming sequence????

If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade
from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be
thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those
consummers who are making the jump to digital.

So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that
we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself
learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I
was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's
not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
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Well said, Jimmie. I might add, to those who have been wanting to give their 900/950/990 to a family novice and trade up... the 995 would be an excellent choice. PatiO.
 
Perhaps I've been a little dense, but what you say does put it all in a different perspective. BTW they are releasing another camera announcement today. I believe it is the 775. A low price puppy.
Paul Linder
JimmieD said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology. 3 years ago, the CP900 was
released and many were pleased to see a serious offering from the
great Nikon god. Then 2 years ago, our diety released the CP950
and we were appeased. 1 year ago, the heavens opened up and the
990 became the camera to own in the under $1000 market.

Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great
evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a
pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we
upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade
our 35mm equipment every year?

I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and
regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made.
Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a
coat pocket and costs no more than $500.

Nikon is pretty smart if you ask me. They have a large portion of
the serious consumer market. There hasn't been sufficient time to
develop the next evolution in this line of their product. So they
do what they have to, to keep the new adopters from going to Canon
or Sony and release a bandaid product. Anyone wondering why they
just went from 990-995 in the naming sequence????

If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade
from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be
thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those
consummers who are making the jump to digital.

So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that
we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself
learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I
was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's
not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
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JimmieD said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology.
Click to expand...
. . .
Member said:
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
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Sense-talk like that will get you four out of these, minimum:

Pilloried
Vilified
"Aaah, gowan"-ed
"Yeah, but-" -ed
"You miss the essential point of-" -ed

And how about that 775? It's a 3x zoom verision of the 880 with a few improvements and it has a model number that jumps 105 integers backwards! For $449.95.

Obviously the 975 is the one to look out for...

-iNova
 
Anything to keep from reaching the magic model 1000 before schedule, or capability.
Paul Linder
Peter iNova said:
JimmieD said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology.
Click to expand...
. . .
Member said:
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
Click to expand...
Sense-talk like that will get you four out of these, minimum:

Pilloried
Vilified
"Aaah, gowan"-ed
"Yeah, but-" -ed
"You miss the essential point of-" -ed

And how about that 775? It's a 3x zoom verision of the 880 with a
few improvements and it has a model number that jumps 105 integers
backwards! For $449.95.

Obviously the 975 is the one to look out for...

-iNova
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Yes. But perhaps for different reasons. I really dislike
this trend towards instant gratification and knee-jerk
reactions that companies seem to be training us to expect.
Nikon could have improved the 990 in many other cheaper
ways that would have been more responsible. Instead
they went for some flashy (no pun intended) fixes in
an attempt to gain some breathing room perhaps.

Sony and Apple have become masters of this game of
greed. Instead of concentrating on building long term
relationships with customers they now axe product
lines every 5 seconds and force you to buy into yet
another new and proprietary product stream with
parts and accessories unique to this branch. The
responsible customer won't upgrade and gets left
behind; to company's own support staff can't
keep up and the sales reps are equally lost as well
as being forced to deal with ever changing inventory.

I agree entirely with your comments about the target
audience - I don't think it is the established Nikon user
or the upgrade market.

To my mind, from the perspective of someone with a
990 and an F2/A, this represents a continuing loss
of focus for Nikon and a further erosion of the brand
identity.

On the one hand I can perhaps appreciate what
Nikon is up against but I'm not sure they can win
in the long term by playing the game by the
Apple/Sony rules.

--david
 
Member said:
Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great
evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a
pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we
upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade
our 35mm equipment every year?
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computers, some of us every 6 months or less =) its already out of date by the time i unpack it.

consumer video/audio equipment.

cel phones

these are the ones i can think of that myself and a lot of others i know have upgraded at 1 year or less intervals.
Member said:
I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and
regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made.
Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a
coat pocket and costs no more than $500.
Click to expand...
cool when its it shipping!
Member said:
If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade
from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be
thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those
consummers who are making the jump to digital.
Click to expand...
i think a lot of people just expect to upgrade, the digital market ( digital anything) seems to have alot of followers who'll just upgrade to get the nattiest offering whether they need it not. But I agree with you there, most won't and nikon are probably looking for store shelf space against the tirade of other cameras coming out.

again PCs are a good example, do we all really need 2.0ghz p4s ? Will a lot of people end up getting them ? ( of course i'd like to point out that i do need a 2.0ghz PC, and i really really need a 2.0ghz G4)
Member said:
So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that
we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself
learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I
was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's
not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.
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No way, i think nikon is an awesome OEM, i'm disappointed in the new camera because yes i expected something a lot cooler, and who wouldn't we are programmed to expect more and more, advertising really works.

In the end though its made me happier with my 990, instead of the usual ack i just bought it and they brought out a much cooler one within a month or two, other OEMS are notorious for this. Its gotten to the point where you have to stop looking at the new ones, sinces its going so fast.

OEMs can't keep up with the technology and until we get a market that can profit from fully flash programmable dsps that the non hardware upgrades can be done in, it'll keep happening.

Look at the hoohaw around ginger.

charlie
 
David,

You make a good point. One of the things I really like about Nikon is that they concentrate on relatively few products and make them superior. It does seem they are trying to appeal to the masses rather than us snobs who roll our eyes at all those different cameras Sony cranks out.

Before anyone jumps on the snob comment, please know that I'm rather proud to be one.
 
Hi,

I guess that they named it model 995 because they had already used the 1000 number on their first digital camera product. I suppose that they could reuse it easily enough, though, since the QV1000 was a B+W digital SLR that was aimed only at the newpaper market over 10 years ago.

The 995 is the first of the consumer level Nikon digital cameras that has interested me. There are times that I'd like to be carrying a small, light camera and don't need or want to be carrying any of my large digital SLRs around.

The 990 would have interested me if it would have accepted a Type-II CF flash card. The 995 will take one of my 1GB microdrives, so now it has my interest. I suppose that after the initial rush calms down, I'll add one of these to my collection.

Oh, and I became a lemming about 25 years ago with the advent of the original crop of home computers (anyone remember the Kim-I, Challenger 2P, IMSI, PET and the like?). It would take me hours to list all the various computers I've owned over the years. I figure that digital cameras are no different.

Heck, I was even a lemming with 35mm SLRs. I think I've owned one of every model Nikon from the F2 on......

Stan
JimmieD said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology. 3 years ago, the CP900 was
released and many were pleased to see a serious offering from the
great Nikon god. Then 2 years ago, our diety released the CP950
and we were appeased. 1 year ago, the heavens opened up and the
990 became the camera to own in the under $1000 market.

Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great
evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a
pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we
upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade
our 35mm equipment every year?

I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and
regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made.
Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a
coat pocket and costs no more than $500.

Nikon is pretty smart if you ask me. They have a large portion of
the serious consumer market. There hasn't been sufficient time to
develop the next evolution in this line of their product. So they
do what they have to, to keep the new adopters from going to Canon
or Sony and release a bandaid product. Anyone wondering why they
just went from 990-995 in the naming sequence????

If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade
from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be
thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those
consummers who are making the jump to digital.

So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that
we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself
learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I
was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's
not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
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So Peter, does your book get an addendum, or is the 995 worthy of a 2nd edition? At least you don't have to convince a publisher to get a clue.
Member said:
Sense-talk like that will get you four out of these, minimum:

Pilloried
Vilified
"Aaah, gowan"-ed
"Yeah, but-" -ed
"You miss the essential point of-" -ed

And how about that 775? It's a 3x zoom verision of the 880 with a
few improvements and it has a model number that jumps 105 integers
backwards! For $449.95.

Obviously the 975 is the one to look out for...

-iNova
Click to expand...
 
Digital technology is growing exponentially. Looks at processor speeds. We deserve a better camera than the 995!

n.c.
Member said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology. 3 years ago, the CP900 was
released and many were pleased to see a serious offering from the
great Nikon god. Then 2 years ago, our diety released the CP950
and we were appeased. 1 year ago, the heavens opened up and the
990 became the camera to own in the under $1000 market.

Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great
evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a
pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we
upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade
our 35mm equipment every year?

I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and
regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made.
Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a
coat pocket and costs no more than $500.

Nikon is pretty smart if you ask me. They have a large portion of
the serious consumer market. There hasn't been sufficient time to
develop the next evolution in this line of their product. So they
do what they have to, to keep the new adopters from going to Canon
or Sony and release a bandaid product. Anyone wondering why they
just went from 990-995 in the naming sequence????

If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade
from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be
thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those
consummers who are making the jump to digital.

So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that
we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself
learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I
was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's
not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
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Chris,

Are you suggesting that Nikon could have put out a better product at this time? If so, help me understand what is to be gained by not. Yes, I agree that digital technology is growing rapidly. But just because Sony comes out with a 5MP sensor doesn't mean a camera can be produced around it in a matter of months. Yes we deserve a better camera than the 995 and I can't wait til Nikon releases it next year.

BTW...what's the status of your 990? I sure miss seeing your posts in the S&G forum.
nitecrlwr said:
n.c.
nitecrlwr said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology. 3 years ago, the CP900 was
released and many were pleased to see a serious offering from the
great Nikon god. Then 2 years ago, our diety released the CP950
and we were appeased. 1 year ago, the heavens opened up and the
990 became the camera to own in the under $1000 market.

Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great
evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a
pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we
upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade
our 35mm equipment every year?

I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and
regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made.
Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a
coat pocket and costs no more than $500.

Nikon is pretty smart if you ask me. They have a large portion of
the serious consumer market. There hasn't been sufficient time to
develop the next evolution in this line of their product. So they
do what they have to, to keep the new adopters from going to Canon
or Sony and release a bandaid product. Anyone wondering why they
just went from 990-995 in the naming sequence????

If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade
from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be
thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those
consummers who are making the jump to digital.

So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that
we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself
learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I
was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's
not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
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Peter iNova said:
JimmieD said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology.
Click to expand...
. . .
Member said:
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
Click to expand...
Sense-talk like that will get you four out of these, minimum:

Pilloried
Vilified
"Aaah, gowan"-ed
"Yeah, but-" -ed
"You miss the essential point of-" -ed

And how about that 775? It's a 3x zoom verision of the 880 with a
few improvements and it has a model number that jumps 105 integers
backwards! For $449.95.

Obviously the 975 is the one to look out for...

-iNova
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I think your keyboard slipped. The 775 is a 3x zoom updated version of the 800, not the 880. It still a 2.1MP camera. That way, it only jumps back 25 intergers ;-)
 
JimmieD said:
So Peter, does your book get an addendum, or is the 995 worthy of a
2nd edition? At least you don't have to convince a publisher to
get a clue.
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Ha. Sure. Eventually a 995, 775 and overdue 880 chapter set will join the eBook and current eBook owners will be able to upgrade for $10. Don't breathe a word of this, but the upgrade is going on sale at the digitalsecrets.net web site in the next couple of weeks.

And I'm going to be at the LA Times Festival of Books this weekend signing eBooks and beeping pictures.

I only say this for the benefit of the posters around here (Holly? Hi! Mike F: did you notice that JimmieD isn't me simply drumming up eBook questions?) who hate the notion of this self-serving meat byproduct.

But I must add, that none of this is an effort to sell anything, just an update on the policies behind a popular Nikon accessory.

So, thanks for asking.

-iNova
Member said:
Member said:
Sense-talk like that will get you four out of these, minimum:

Pilloried
Vilified
"Aaah, gowan"-ed
"Yeah, but-" -ed
"You miss the essential point of-" -ed

And how about that 775? It's a 3x zoom verision of the 880 with a
few improvements and it has a model number that jumps 105 integers
backwards! For $449.95.

Obviously the 975 is the one to look out for...

-iNova
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
charlie wallace said:
charlie wallace said:
Now, it seems that we are disappointed because the next great
evolution did not occur. It seems to me that we have bought into a
pretty rediculous expectation. What other piece of hardware do we
upgrade every year? Did any of us nonprofessionals ever upgrade
our 35mm equipment every year?
Click to expand...
computers, some of us every 6 months or less =) its already out of
date by the time i unpack it.
Click to expand...
My P3-550E@733 is plenty fast enough for the majority of things I need to do. As far as office computers, we have reached a plateau. Unless Microsoft can come out with enough bloatware to slow the present ones down, market's gonna slow some mare. The new P4 has reached 1.5 Ghz. Are you gonna buy one? Then there is the new GeForce 3 for $500. For a video card?

Yes, I did upgrades every 6 months, until what I built over a year ago - except harddrives...
charlie wallace said:
consumer video/audio equipment.
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I still haven't bought my HDTV widescreen yet. But 2 years ago, I did buy a DVD/55" rear projection to watch them cool widescreen movies...
charlie wallace said:
cel phones
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My phoe is now over 2 years old. I spent $200 for a hand's free speaker phone since i drive alot. I think I won't get a new on til mine finally breaks - or the Kyrocea palm/phone gets way cheaper.
charlie wallace said:
these are the ones i can think of that myself and a lot of others i
know have upgraded at 1 year or less intervals.
charlie wallace said:
I understand that with digital, the shortcomings are many and
regardless of camera purchased, there are sacrifices to be made.
Let's face it, what we really want is a D1x that we can fit in a
coat pocket and costs no more than $500.
Click to expand...
cool when its it shipping!
charlie wallace said:
If you think that Nikon is expecting that you'll run out to upgrade
from a 990 to a 995, I seriously doubt it. Sure they would be
thrilled, but this camera release is just to buy time for all those
consummers who are making the jump to digital.
Click to expand...
i think a lot of people just expect to upgrade, the digital market
( digital anything) seems to have alot of followers who'll just
upgrade to get the nattiest offering whether they need it not. But
I agree with you there, most won't and nikon are probably looking
for store shelf space against the tirade of other cameras coming
out.

again PCs are a good example, do we all really need 2.0ghz p4s ?
Will a lot of people end up getting them ? ( of course i'd like to
point out that i do need a 2.0ghz PC, and i really really need a
2.0ghz G4)
charlie wallace said:
So have we become so accustomed to the once-a-year trade up that
we're going to abandon Nikon for disappointing us? I myself
learned the hard way that for the money, you can't do better. If I
was jumping in right now, I'd buy the 995. But since I know it's
not a major evolution, I'm happy to wait for the Coolpix 1050.
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.
Click to expand...
No way, i think nikon is an awesome OEM, i'm disappointed in the
new camera because yes i expected something a lot cooler, and who
wouldn't we are programmed to expect more and more, advertising
really works.

In the end though its made me happier with my 990, instead of the
usual ack i just bought it and they brought out a much cooler one
within a month or two, other OEMS are notorious for this. Its
gotten to the point where you have to stop looking at the new ones,
sinces its going so fast.
OEMs can't keep up with the technology and until we get a market
that can profit from fully flash programmable dsps that the non
hardware upgrades can be done in, it'll keep happening.

Look at the hoohaw around ginger.

charlie
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Gene said:
My P3-550E@733 is plenty fast enough for the majority of things I
need to do. As far as office computers, we have reached a plateau.
Unless Microsoft can come out with enough bloatware to slow the
present ones down, market's gonna slow some mare. The new P4 has
reached 1.5 Ghz. Are you gonna buy one? Then there is the new
GeForce 3 for $500. For a video card?
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I have two i can't talk about, three 1.5ghz P4s, two 1.5ghz amds , two dual P3 800s and a smattering of about 8 others ranging from dual 90PPROs

to 500 k6-3's, this is all at home. Although i stopped upgrading my SGI's a few years ago, but thats for other reasons. And yes they are all running (and not only doing rc5)

The geforce 3 is a drop dead card which will put any pro card to shame, this is one of the reasons why intergraph are no longer in the biz. I can highly recommend it to those who need it, of which there aren't that many.

I switched from 98, 98se, nt4, windows 2000 pro to advanced, then to XP for some but mainly 2k pro.

Mostly use geforce 2 and 3's, with tnt2s and ati rages thrown in for good measure.

Obviously i'm not your average home user, but theres plenty of people who upgrade frequently who aren't nuts..
Member said:
Yes, I did upgrades every 6 months, until what I built over a year
ago - except harddrives...
Member said:
consumer video/audio equipment.
Click to expand...
I still haven't bought my HDTV widescreen yet. But 2 years ago, I
did buy a DVD/55" rear projection to watch them cool widescreen
movies...
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i went from crt to projection, ld to dvd, surround to ac3 to universals codec, speaker upgrades, dsp upgrades etc.
Member said:
Member said:
cel phones
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My phoe is now over 2 years old. I spent $200 for a hand's free
speaker phone since i drive alot. I think I won't get a new on til
mine finally breaks - or the Kyrocea palm/phone gets way cheaper.
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umm we are terrible in our household, usually upgrade once or twice a year,
just switched over to the nokia 8890s which is a stellar phone.

charlie.
 
Peter iNova said:
JimmieD said:
I'm viewing the release of the 995 and the reaction here as an
interesting lesson in sociology.
Click to expand...
. . .
Member said:
God (not the Nikon one), I love this forum.

--
JimmieD
Click to expand...
Sense-talk like that will get you four out of these, minimum:

Pilloried
Vilified
"Aaah, gowan"-ed
"Yeah, but-" -ed
"You miss the essential point of-" -ed

And how about that 775? It's a 3x zoom verision of the 880 with a
few improvements and it has a model number that jumps 105 integers
backwards! For $449.95.

Obviously the 975 is the one to look out for...

-iNova
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Yah, and let's convince Mercedes Benz that they are idiots for bringing out their 2002 models. They should wait until they develop something significantly new, like a little electric number for under 20 K. Maybe with a pop up flash.
Martin
 
You have some very nice hardware. No, you are not the average Joe consumer. ;-)

Since you have it all (j/K), is it a better value getting the TBird 1.5/DDR or P4 1.5/RAMBUS?

I'm sure the Geforce3 is stellar. If I had the $$$, I would probably get one of those instead of a 995 :-)

Thanks again for putting all your time and effort in CPIX.

The one piece of hardware I wouldn't mind having is a Dell Inspiron P3/1Ghz w/32MB Geforce2 to go grahics :-D
charlie wallace said:
Gene said:
My P3-550E@733 is plenty fast enough for the majority of things I
need to do. As far as office computers, we have reached a plateau.
Unless Microsoft can come out with enough bloatware to slow the
present ones down, market's gonna slow some mare. The new P4 has
reached 1.5 Ghz. Are you gonna buy one? Then there is the new
GeForce 3 for $500. For a video card?
Click to expand...
I have two i can't talk about, three 1.5ghz P4s, two 1.5ghz amds ,
two dual P3 800s and a smattering of about 8 others ranging from
dual 90PPROs
to 500 k6-3's, this is all at home. Although i stopped upgrading my
SGI's a few years ago, but thats for other reasons. And yes they
are all running (and not only doing rc5)

The geforce 3 is a drop dead card which will put any pro card to
shame, this is one of the reasons why intergraph are no longer in
the biz. I can highly recommend it to those who need it, of which
there aren't that many.

I switched from 98, 98se, nt4, windows 2000 pro to advanced, then
to XP for some but mainly 2k pro.

Mostly use geforce 2 and 3's, with tnt2s and ati rages thrown in
for good measure.

Obviously i'm not your average home user, but theres plenty of
people who upgrade frequently who aren't nuts..
charlie wallace said:
Yes, I did upgrades every 6 months, until what I built over a year
ago - except harddrives...
charlie wallace said:
consumer video/audio equipment.
Click to expand...
I still haven't bought my HDTV widescreen yet. But 2 years ago, I
did buy a DVD/55" rear projection to watch them cool widescreen
movies...
Click to expand...
i went from crt to projection, ld to dvd, surround to ac3 to
universals codec, speaker upgrades, dsp upgrades etc.
charlie wallace said:
charlie wallace said:
cel phones
Click to expand...
My phoe is now over 2 years old. I spent $200 for a hand's free
speaker phone since i drive alot. I think I won't get a new on til
mine finally breaks - or the Kyrocea palm/phone gets way cheaper.
Click to expand...
umm we are terrible in our household, usually upgrade once or twice
a year,
just switched over to the nokia 8890s which is a stellar phone.

charlie.
Click to expand...
 
charlie wallace said:
Gene said:
My P3-550E@733 is plenty fast enough for the majority of things I
need to do. As far as office computers, we have reached a plateau.
Unless Microsoft can come out with enough bloatware to slow the
present ones down, market's gonna slow some mare. The new P4 has
reached 1.5 Ghz. Are you gonna buy one? Then there is the new
GeForce 3 for $500. For a video card?
Click to expand...
I have two i can't talk about, three 1.5ghz P4s, two 1.5ghz amds ,
two dual P3 800s and a smattering of about 8 others ranging from
dual 90PPROs
Click to expand...
I know Intel just released their 1.7GHz P4 a couple of days ago, but when did AMD release a 1.5GHz processor?
charlie wallace said:
to 500 k6-3's, this is all at home. Although i stopped upgrading my
SGI's a few years ago, but thats for other reasons. And yes they
are all running (and not only doing rc5)

The geforce 3 is a drop dead card which will put any pro card to
shame, this is one of the reasons why intergraph are no longer in
the biz. I can highly recommend it to those who need it, of which
there aren't that many.

I switched from 98, 98se, nt4, windows 2000 pro to advanced, then
to XP for some but mainly 2k pro.

Mostly use geforce 2 and 3's, with tnt2s and ati rages thrown in
for good measure.

Obviously i'm not your average home user, but theres plenty of
people who upgrade frequently who aren't nuts..
charlie wallace said:
Yes, I did upgrades every 6 months, until what I built over a year
ago - except harddrives...
charlie wallace said:
consumer video/audio equipment.
Click to expand...
I still haven't bought my HDTV widescreen yet. But 2 years ago, I
did buy a DVD/55" rear projection to watch them cool widescreen
movies...
Click to expand...
i went from crt to projection, ld to dvd, surround to ac3 to
universals codec, speaker upgrades, dsp upgrades etc.
charlie wallace said:
charlie wallace said:
cel phones
Click to expand...
My phoe is now over 2 years old. I spent $200 for a hand's free
speaker phone since i drive alot. I think I won't get a new on til
mine finally breaks - or the Kyrocea palm/phone gets way cheaper.
Click to expand...
umm we are terrible in our household, usually upgrade once or twice
a year,
just switched over to the nokia 8890s which is a stellar phone.

charlie.
Click to expand...
 
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