Pentax *ist DS... come and get it

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This camera has basically destroyed the *istD (which will certainly
be discontinued and will now be worth zero on the second hand
market).
???????????? what? what do you mean exactly? istD thats not same
level.......
In what way exactly? There is no clear blue water between *istDS
and *istD. That make is a much better buy than the Rebel IMO, but
if its as cheap as rumoured there is no strong reason to get the
*istD.
Hopefully *istD prices will take a dive and I can pick one up nice
and cheap. There again, hopefully the pro model will be out soon.
A Pro model *ist D, would that be the P *ist D? Maybe Pentax didn't shelve the MR-52? The MZ-S is still made, Pentax could surprise everyone with an inexpensive full frama dSLR.
 
No CF card compatability
This is certainly an improvement upon the *ist D. Perhaps the number 1 complaint against the old model was the CF compartment. No CF compartment = no complaints.
(I have over 5GB investment now!!) and no
grip seemingly (no sign of a connector). What a wash. I cant really
use it as a backup without CF cards or grip, and it doesnt do
anything the *istD doesnt so, no sale Pentax.
They go to all the trouble to make it backward compatible with
ancient lenses and cant even make it backward compatible with an
*istD.
Does not look like the aperture coupler is there, so perhaps this is not an improvement.
Guess we'll have to wait for the pro model, but if that takes SD
cards as well, I'm going to be VERY annoyed.
The pro model probably gives the user a choice of cards, either SD or CF.
This camera has basically destroyed the *istD (which will certainly
be discontinued and will now be worth zero on the second hand
market).
Thanks Pentax. One unhappy customer.
Steve
I certainly hope you are right. If someone would sell theirs for zero on the used market, I will take a hundred of them, or as many as them as are available. If they are worth so little then perhaps you can get the *ist D as a second body.
 
This camera has basically destroyed the *istD (which will certainly
be discontinued and will now be worth zero on the second hand
market).
???????????? what? what do you mean exactly? istD thats not same
level.......
In what way exactly? There is no clear blue water between *istDS
and *istD. That make is a much better buy than the Rebel IMO, but
if its as cheap as rumoured there is no strong reason to get the
*istD.
Hopefully *istD prices will take a dive and I can pick one up nice
and cheap. There again, hopefully the pro model will be out soon.
A Pro model *ist D, would that be the P *ist D? Maybe Pentax
didn't shelve the MR-52? The MZ-S is still made, Pentax could
surprise everyone with an inexpensive full frama dSLR.
I doubt it, although I would most certainly welcome it. Pentax does not have a source for inexpensive full frame sensors.
 
5 X 1GB SD cards (equivalent of what I have in CF) = £750. Same
price as new body. I could save a fortune and wait for the pro
model. Assuming that doesnt also take SD cards of course.
Steve
Since this is a back up body, do you need to buy 5 GB worth of cards? Perhaps one card should suffice. Pentax should be praised for not putting in a pentamirror to try to save a few bucks. And the LCD panel on the back of the camera is actually bigger than the one on the *ist D. It should be a no brainer for those who are buying their first Pentax DSLR body. Looks like the *ist D is going to be history pretty soon.
 
Well say.

As a marketing people, I would say Pentax makes a very smart move in the SD card. Think about it: *istDs is the ONLY entry level DSLR that eats the SD cards - just imagine the attraction to those want to upgrade from P&S.
and would like this as a backup body, are understandably upset.
Wrong. I own the istD and while it isn't as fast as this camera, I
won't be buying this as a backup anytime soon, and if I did buy it
as a back up, then I can spend $60 on a 1gig SD card and be done
with it. The main reason why I won't buy this camera, for myself,
(perhaps for someone who deserves it this christmas though) is that
it's just spec'd to closely to the istD. I mean, its a nice little
piece, its a better camera than the istD in my opinion, but, it
won't be much of an upgrade, so much as the camera we all wanted in
the istD minus a few of the things that made the istD so great.
The SD card thing, it's just a stupid stupid thing to be upset
about!! You shouldn't have lots of card memory anyway, you really
want to get pictures off the cards as fast as possible using an
image tank of some sort. I currently have both the 1gig and the
256meg ultraII CF cards. When the 1 gig is full I put in the 256
and shoot on it while the one gig is transferring to the image
tank, once the transfer is done I swap them again and keep
shooting. Might be a problem if you need a faster workflow but for
me it works beautifully... I also use the 256CF card for taking
pictures to the developer.

Having 5 1 gig CF cards is like having 5 pairs of tennis shoes, or
5 spare tires. I mean, its just absurd, and a mistake on your
part! CF memory, memory in general is constantly advancing, and if
you think that the bigger format is going to win, I think you need
to take a little time to review the history here. SD cards will
completely replace CF cards very soon, they're cheaper and
smaller... If there are two traits that embody the whole of
technological progress its price and size. Things get cheaper and
smaller, it happens constantly. SD is the way to go. When CF
cards are niche market items that sell for a premium you are going
to be thanking Pentax profusely for making the switch.
 
This camera isn't aimed at existing *ist-D owners. It's aimed at people who haven't yet purchased a DSLR. And I think it hits the mark pretty well.

My only question is, when will I be able to buy it and how much will I have to shell out? These are important details to be leaving out of the initial product announcement.
 
If you are so upset about the SD card, just don't buy it. You simply ain't the target market of the *istDs.
and would like this as a backup body, are understandably upset.
Wrong.
Speak for yourself.
I own the istD and while it isn't as fast as this camera, I
won't be buying this as a backup anytime soon, and if I did buy it
as a back up, then I can spend $60 on a 1gig SD card and be done
with it.
Would you spend $200? Because thats what they cost in the UK, alright?
The main reason why I won't buy this camera, for myself,
(perhaps for someone who deserves it this christmas though) is that
it's just spec'd to closely to the istD.
Which is what would make it a good backup, OK?
I mean, its a nice little
piece, its a better camera than the istD in my opinion, but, it
won't be much of an upgrade, so much as the camera we all wanted in
the istD minus a few of the things that made the istD so great.
The SD card thing, it's just a stupid stupid thing to be upset
about!!
OK so I'm stupid stupid. Youre just rude.
You shouldn't have lots of card memory anyway, you really
want to get pictures off the cards as fast as possible using an
image tank of some sort. I currently have both the 1gig and the
256meg ultraII CF cards. When the 1 gig is full I put in the 256
and shoot on it while the one gig is transferring to the image
tank, once the transfer is done I swap them again and keep
shooting. Might be a problem if you need a faster workflow but for
me it works beautifully... I also use the 256CF card for taking
pictures to the developer.

Having 5 1 gig CF cards is like having 5 pairs of tennis shoes, or
5 spare tires. I mean, its just absurd, and a mistake on your
part!
OK so I'm absurd now. How can you compare memory to tennis shoes?
If I could have one 10GB card, I would.
CF memory, memory in general is constantly advancing, and if
you think that the bigger format is going to win, I think you need
to take a little time to review the history here. SD cards will
completely replace CF cards very soon, they're cheaper and
smaller... If there are two traits that embody the whole of
technological progress its price and size. Things get cheaper and
smaller, it happens constantly. SD is the way to go. When CF
cards are niche market items that sell for a premium you are going
to be thanking Pentax profusely for making the switch.
Well, you dont have the same requirements as me. Nor do I have five
1GB cards. I have 5GB of CF memory, a lot of which I use for
non-photo work such as portable archives of scanned material that I
cant email.
However I have managed to use up nearly 3GB in a day shooting RAW
(which is only 230 shots), and as I like to travel light I dont
take any clutter - including image tanks.
I dont disagree that SD cards may end up taking over, but right now
in the UK I cant get a high speed 1GB MD card under £130 (CF £99).
So there is no point in me getting a itsdS as a backup - its
cheaper to get another *istD.
So, I'll just wait stupidly until something else comes along, if
thats alright with you?
 
This may shed some insight to when and how much...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1028&message=10262196
This camera isn't aimed at existing *ist-D owners. It's aimed at
people who haven't yet purchased a DSLR. And I think it hits the
mark pretty well.

My only question is, when will I be able to buy it and how much
will I have to shell out? These are important details to be
leaving out of the initial product announcement.
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http://www.pbase.com/kevs
 
Smaller and lighter than the Ist D with a bigger buffer, same metal subframe. I see no reason to continue with the Ist D. Only real difference seems to be the lack of sync terminal and some minor options. I doubt the st D will be continued.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxistds/

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Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com
--
Frank from Phoenix
Canon1DMk2,MinoltaG500 and lots of typos
digital evolution: Nikon990> OlyE20> Pentax*istD> CanonMK2> ?????
 
You can get adapters that will fit in the *ist CF slot to allow the use of SD cards, so this isn't as bad as is being made out.
Problem is if you have too many CF or Microdrives
 
Quote

PENTAX will unveil the *ist DS and other new and exciting digital products on September 20 at the PEPCOM Holiday Spectacular in New York City. The PENTAX *ist DS will ship to major camera retailers in November 2004.
 
Using SD cards only is somewhat problematic for me - I was hoping to get one of these as a backup to my istD for weddings, but having to get a whole bunch of different cards somewhat defeats the purpose of making this my 2nd body. I've considered an image tank, but like all hard drives, they make me worried with their potential for failure due to shock. Would you dump all your images to a tank, format your cards, and trust all your wedding images in a hard drive in the field? Also, there isn't always time to download images, and the image tank suddenly becomes a potential single point of failure/loss of all your images. This is why I don't buy 1 big memory card, but would rather spread the risk out through multiple cards. If any wedding shooters out there are using the few cards + image tank route, I'd be interested to hear your experiences/feelings.

My hope is that this will drive down the price of the istD, so I can pick another one up for a 2nd body.
Do they take impacts well and which brand are you using?
Give a thought to an image tank, they usually accept different card
formats, so you just keep dumping your data to that... it serves
as a sort of portable harddrive as well.

Many of them also include LCD screens for image reviewing, and
basic editing like rotating and cropping. Theyre very usefull, and
cheaper than the equivalent amount of CF storage.

-istDuser
and would like this as a backup body, are understandably upset.
Wrong.
Speak for yourself.
I own the istD and while it isn't as fast as this camera, I
won't be buying this as a backup anytime soon, and if I did buy it
as a back up, then I can spend $60 on a 1gig SD card and be done
with it.
Would you spend $200? Because thats what they cost in the UK, alright?
The main reason why I won't buy this camera, for myself,
(perhaps for someone who deserves it this christmas though) is that
it's just spec'd to closely to the istD.
Which is what would make it a good backup, OK?
I mean, its a nice little
piece, its a better camera than the istD in my opinion, but, it
won't be much of an upgrade, so much as the camera we all wanted in
the istD minus a few of the things that made the istD so great.
The SD card thing, it's just a stupid stupid thing to be upset
about!!
OK so I'm stupid stupid. Youre just rude.
You shouldn't have lots of card memory anyway, you really
want to get pictures off the cards as fast as possible using an
image tank of some sort. I currently have both the 1gig and the
256meg ultraII CF cards. When the 1 gig is full I put in the 256
and shoot on it while the one gig is transferring to the image
tank, once the transfer is done I swap them again and keep
shooting. Might be a problem if you need a faster workflow but for
me it works beautifully... I also use the 256CF card for taking
pictures to the developer.

Having 5 1 gig CF cards is like having 5 pairs of tennis shoes, or
5 spare tires. I mean, its just absurd, and a mistake on your
part!
OK so I'm absurd now. How can you compare memory to tennis shoes?
If I could have one 10GB card, I would.
CF memory, memory in general is constantly advancing, and if
you think that the bigger format is going to win, I think you need
to take a little time to review the history here. SD cards will
completely replace CF cards very soon, they're cheaper and
smaller... If there are two traits that embody the whole of
technological progress its price and size. Things get cheaper and
smaller, it happens constantly. SD is the way to go. When CF
cards are niche market items that sell for a premium you are going
to be thanking Pentax profusely for making the switch.
Well, you dont have the same requirements as me. Nor do I have five
1GB cards. I have 5GB of CF memory, a lot of which I use for
non-photo work such as portable archives of scanned material that I
cant email.
However I have managed to use up nearly 3GB in a day shooting RAW
(which is only 230 shots), and as I like to travel light I dont
take any clutter - including image tanks.
I dont disagree that SD cards may end up taking over, but right now
in the UK I cant get a high speed 1GB MD card under £130 (CF £99).
So there is no point in me getting a itsdS as a backup - its
cheaper to get another *istD.
So, I'll just wait stupidly until something else comes along, if
thats alright with you?
 
Perhaps they see it as part of an upgrade path for Pentax P&S owners.
My O555 uses an SD card.
Their SD choice makes it more attractive as my 'next-step' camera since I already have two SD 256MB U-II cards for my 555. But I'm curious about startup-time, none of the previews (or the press release mentions anything about this).

--
Lars Ugleberg
http://www.pbase.com/larugl
 
No Hyper Modes
No selection between continuos and single AF

Minor issue is the battery grip, power.

The first two are a good reason to go with the *ist-d
This camera has basically destroyed the *istD (which will certainly
be discontinued and will now be worth zero on the second hand
market).
???????????? what? what do you mean exactly? istD thats not same
level.......
In what way exactly? There is no clear blue water between *istDS
and *istD. That make is a much better buy than the Rebel IMO, but
if its as cheap as rumoured there is no strong reason to get the
*istD.
Hopefully *istD prices will take a dive and I can pick one up nice
and cheap. There again, hopefully the pro model will be out soon.
I'm just worried now that it will also take SD cards....
For me to "repurchase" all my memory would cost as much as a new body.
Steve
 
Smaller and lighter than the Ist D with a bigger buffer, same metal
subframe. I see no reason to continue with the Ist D. Only real
difference seems to be the lack of sync terminal and some minor
options. I doubt the st D will be continued.
Well, let's see: No hyper program, useless program modes, only one command dial makes it more difficult to quickly choose aperture or shutter speed, no continuous auto focus, no program lines, one manual WB vs 3, no PC terminal for studio shooters, no mirror lock for macro and long tele work, no WB indication on top LCD, more difficult to use WB and flash settings, no backlight on top LCD, and no green mode button.

To me they obviously coverted it to a very nice consumer DSLR, upgrading things like the USB, the rear LCD, etc., leaving open the next generation model to replace the *istD with even more features.
--
John Power
Racehorse in the desert

'Life is too short to miss out on photography.'

 
I looked at the istD and then bought the D70. I now have 15 lenses and the D70 can't go everywhere with me.

I also have the A2 and 5700 and V1. So-I have a lot of variety.

Just when I thought I would not go for anything with SD cards,
I bought an IPAQ pda--and it has an SD slot...

So, go figure.

Memory prices are coming down and if dslrs get as small and light as my Nikon 8700, that would be very appealing.

Linda
Only SD card???

Well, I guess I would never own one of this thing then...
With SD cards so cheap (recently I bought an SD 256mb card for
about $20) I guess I don't really see much of a downside to this
camera using SD cards.

--
Henry Richardson
http://www.richardson.photoshare.co.nz/
http://www.printroom.com/pro/intrepid
 
Smaller and lighter than the Ist D with a bigger buffer, same metal
subframe. I see no reason to continue with the Ist D. Only real
difference seems to be the lack of sync terminal and some minor
options. I doubt the st D will be continued.
I did already post this but here goes again,

Actually, the size of the *ist Ds is larger than the *ist D, if you just look at the physical dimensions.

I know this is a simplistic evaluation as I obviously haven't held it but look at this:

*ist Ds = 125mm x 93mm x 66mm = 767,250mm cubic
*ist D = 129mm x 95mm x 60mm = 735,300 mm cubic

Looking at the side by side on the review, they don't look much different in size at all.

The only size advantage is weight. The *ist Ds weighs 45gms less.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxistds/

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com
--
Frank from Phoenix
Canon1DMk2,MinoltaG500 and lots of typos
digital evolution: Nikon990> OlyE20> Pentax*istD> CanonMK2> ?????
--
Lance*istD
 
This camera isn't aimed at existing *ist-D owners. It's aimed at
people who haven't yet purchased a DSLR. And I think it hits the
mark pretty well.
Exactly and it does.
My only question is, when will I be able to buy it and how much
will I have to shell out? These are important details to be
leaving out of the initial product announcement.
--
Lance*istD
 

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