D30: Correct my colors. please.

Below is a "snapshot" taken with my D30. Picture taken in "P" mode with a 420ex flash using my Canon 28-135 IS lens.

The camera's parameters were: Contrast: normal, Saturation: High, Sharpness: Low.

On my monitor and in the final print, I see casts on green.

I would like it if you could:

A) Tell me the colors are correct in the picture ( no green cast)

B) Tell me you see a green cast and what might be causing this, and how to correct it.

C) Why do the "whites"of my daughter's eyes look blue?

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What was the white balance??
FRED

Anthony said:

Below is a "snapshot" taken with my D30. Picture taken in "P" mode
with a 420ex flash using my Canon 28-135 IS lens.
The camera's parameters were: Contrast: normal, Saturation: High,
Sharpness: Low.

On my monitor and in the final print, I see casts on green.

I would like it if you could:

A) Tell me the colors are correct in the picture ( no green cast)

B) Tell me you see a green cast and what might be causing this, and
how to correct it.

C) Why do the "whites"of my daughter's eyes look blue?

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The white balance was set to auto.

Anthony said:

B) Tell me you see a green cast and what might be causing this, and
how to correct it.
C) Why do the "whites"of my daughter's eyes look blue?

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Actually what I see is more yellow than green. I have no idea why her conjunctiva look blue. Here's what I would do in PS. Levels (0 1 243), click gray eyedropper on background to white balance, then lasso eyes, Hue & Saturation Blue slider to zero.

Should you expect to have to do this with a $3000 camera? I don't know, but I have to do this stuff all the time. There are too many variables in lighting and other stuff to expect the camera to be right all the time.

Just noticed you used Auto WB. My advice is: don't. You never know what you're going to get. Better in my opinion to get to know your camera and what tweaks you need to make. This is easier to do if there's not some A/I genie inside tweaking each shot.

Bruce

Anthony said:

Below is a "snapshot" taken with my D30. Picture taken in "P" mode
with a 420ex flash using my Canon 28-135 IS lens.
The camera's parameters were: Contrast: normal, Saturation: High,
Sharpness: Low.

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What White balance were you using and what was the primary ambient light source?

Anthony said:

On my monitor and in the final print, I see casts on green.

I would like it if you could:

A) Tell me the colors are correct in the picture ( no green cast)

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That's a little difficult as I don't know the young ladies natural skin tone. I have found that I get more natural skin tones with a minor positive shift in cyan and magenta in PS. That would help any green cast you may see. The source of green cast would most likely be flourescent lighting with a Daylight WB and adding magenta would be the first to try.

Anthony said:

B) Tell me you see a green cast and what might be causing this, and
how to correct it.

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See above

Anthony said:

C) Why do the "whites"of my daughter's eyes look blue?

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Fill flash will appear excessively blue (so white areas will especially show the increase in blue tone) if over-done in a mixed lighting situations, so any warmer ambient light influence and WB choice could account for this. If you shot in RAW mode you could try different WB and assess the effect.

I bet this happens with film all the time. Her eyes don't look that bad to me. Film users aren't tied to Photoshop. Digital users are very much in tune with Photoshop abilities, hence making us a little over sensitive. This not only happens with color but with sharpness as well. When film users have a soft image they just blame the glass or maybe just a poor job of focusing. Digital users always blame the camera! Could it be the cost of the camera that causes this behavior? I love my D30. I never looked at my film images this closely.

Don L

Thom said:

Anthony said:

Below is a "snapshot" taken with my D30. Picture taken in "P" mode
with a 420ex flash using my Canon 28-135 IS lens.
The camera's parameters were: Contrast: normal, Saturation: High,
Sharpness: Low.

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What White balance were you using and what was the primary ambient
light source?

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Auto WB, the room had no lights on, and the only light was from a window behind and to my daughter's right. It was cloudy and fairly dim.

Member said:

Member said:

On my monitor and in the final print, I see casts on green.

I would like it if you could:

A) Tell me the colors are correct in the picture ( no green cast)

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That's a little difficult as I don't know the young ladies natural
skin tone. I have found that I get more natural skin tones with a
minor positive shift in cyan and magenta in PS. That would help
any green cast you may see. The source of green cast would most
likely be flourescent lighting with a Daylight WB and adding
magenta would be the first to try.

Member said:

B) Tell me you see a green cast and what might be causing this, and
how to correct it.

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See above

Member said:

C) Why do the "whites"of my daughter's eyes look blue?

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Fill flash will appear excessively blue (so white areas will
especially show the increase in blue tone) if over-done in a mixed
lighting situations, so any warmer ambient light influence and WB
choice could account for this. If you shot in RAW mode you could
try different WB and assess the effect.

Click to expand...

Don L said:

I bet this happens with film all the time. Her eyes don't look that
bad to me. Film users aren't tied to Photoshop. Digital users are
very much in tune with Photoshop abilities, hence making us a
little over sensitive. This not only happens with color but with
sharpness as well. When film users have a soft image they just
blame the glass or maybe just a poor job of focusing. Digital users
always blame the camera! Could it be the cost of the camera that
causes this behavior? I love my D30. I never looked at my film
images this closely.

Don L

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I love my D30. I'm trying to see if my monitor and color managment needs tweeking as opposed to the camera's image.

Maybe on your monitor everything seems ok, but things look a little greeniish over here.

Anthony said:

I love my D30. I'm trying to see if my monitor and color managment
needs tweeking as opposed to the camera's image.

Maybe on your monitor everything seems ok, but things look a little
greeniish over here.

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If your monitor and print both are green, they in sync close enough. Adjust the image with a little boost in magenta and it should fix the print. Unless you're into professional tools for color calibration, with PS it's not WYSIWYG, it's WYGIWYG

Bruce's comments re. AWB are dead-on, it's a crap shoot. I find Daylight (Sunny?) best for most shots then correct in PS with my previous cyan and magenta recommendations ... I also find that Cloudy adds a little warmth when Flash is primary light source ...YMMV

Is there a greenish tint to the photograph?

Yes, I see a green tint.

Anthony said:

Is there a greenish tint to the photograph?

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I never use a D30 but for a G1 if you shot in RAW mode, you can adjust the white balance value after the fact. This certainly help in some of my blue casted photos.

Anthony said:

Is there a greenish tint to the photograph?

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But ...

You might want to try this and see what happens. I found this when I was searching to solve a similar problem.

From Printing with Epson Stylus Color 900
3) Printer Driver (Main > Mode > Custom > Advanced settings)
Photo Paper
1440 dpi
error diffusion
High speed off (more accurate dot placement increases print quality slightly)
Color Correction: Photo-Realistic
Saturation sliders:-
Magenta +8 (neutralizes the green tint)
Yellow +5 (neutralizes the blue tint)

(Using the two saturation sliders works surprisingly well to correct for the inherent blue/green
tint over the entire density range.)

Color Management is a bugabear! I've "almost" got it the way I like it but there are so many variables.
Lighting
Graphics Card
Monitor
Printer
Various ICM profiles
Media
...not to mention personal preferences.

Don't think you will find a magic cure. Lots of well intentioned hints. Some that work. Others that don't.

Good luck on your quest (for the Holy Grail????)

If you like this result I will give you details of what I did.

Anthony said:

Below is a "snapshot" taken with my D30. Picture taken in "P" mode
with a 420ex flash using my Canon 28-135 IS lens.
The camera's parameters were: Contrast: normal, Saturation: High,
Sharpness: Low.

On my monitor and in the final print, I see casts on green.

I would like it if you could:

A) Tell me the colors are correct in the picture ( no green cast)

B) Tell me you see a green cast and what might be causing this, and
how to correct it.

C) Why do the "whites"of my daughter's eyes look blue?

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Hi Anthony,

My advice is: shoot in RAW and use the color picker in RAW export dialog (TWAIN) for good manual white balance.

It's also very easy to correct colors in PS, using Levels (Red highpoint down to histograms upper limit, Green and Blue Gamma up a bit) and Hue/Saturation for slight adjustments of yellow level etc. But if you can pick the right WB in RAW-> TIFF it's always better quality that way (at least in G1).

This is how I wanted to see the colors of this photo today (warm look, for RGB screen viewing):



Pekka
http://studio-on-the.net/photography/

Anthony said:

Below is a "snapshot" taken with my D30. Picture taken in "P" mode
with a 420ex flash using my Canon 28-135 IS lens.
The camera's parameters were: Contrast: normal, Saturation: High,
Sharpness: Low.

On my monitor and in the final print, I see casts on green.

I would like it if you could:

A) Tell me the colors are correct in the picture ( no green cast)

B) Tell me you see a green cast and what might be causing this, and
how to correct it.

C) Why do the "whites"of my daughter's eyes look blue?

This is a resampled smaller image:
The full sized link will be below it.

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