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Sport5 said:
If china get paid less and have children working for the factory
while japan maybe get paid more. Who is going to want to work
harder. Who is going to want to do a better job?

Think about it :)
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Another argument could also be...

In the UK if I don't like my wages, working conditions, health and safety I have the right to (Strike) withdraw my labour...The chinese worker hasn't got that luxury.

An unhappy employee very rarely does a good job.

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Best regards,

Del

Fuji 602 Pro * TCON -17 * Vivitar 283 * Canon A70 * Canon A80 *
 
companies like Intel building manufacturing plants in China?

Why are more than half of the top 500 global heavyweight companies investing in China?

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Don't forget that almost 90% of what we wear, and what we use at home daily are now made from China.
sbloomer said:
companies like Intel building manufacturing plants in China?

Why are more than half of the top 500 global heavyweight companies
investing in China?

Just a thought.....
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Where did it get personal? Just a statement Marky B.
Sport5 said:
Mooder Man said:
In all fairness I represent a company that makes survey equipment
in China and they have assimilated very well over the years.

Early on, they were bad.
mario7 said:
Can we PLEASE stop this nonsense?? Either start a new forum for
this $& # where people can discuss the relationship between cams
made in each country and their relationship to black helicopters
and the G7 group (note, it's an ORGANIZATION NOT a camera) or
simply stop it.

There is NO difference. They are made to IDENTICAL specs. Do you
think Canon are so stupid as to risk the loss of goodwill should
there actually BE a difference. The same people claiming MIJ cams
are better are the same people claiming improvement from placebo
pills in double blind tests.

STOP THE MADNESS.
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He never mentioned anything racial. Settle down, what he said was factual. The English make better products than the Chinese!

Jeeeeez.
mamallama said:
mamallama said:
I think I am probably not being PC about this and so I will be
flamed for racism.
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Racism may also get you banned from this forum. It's happened before.

--mamallama
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Then congratulations, you are a racist.
Sport5 said:
Dogger Blue said:
Sport5 said:
??? There is more than likely a difference. Supposing a car was to
be made in America, and a Car to be made in England. The english
car is built better, than is why F1 cars are made in England. Now
how can you say a totally different race do everything the same
way? Sorry but I can't believe you. Some of it has to be hand made,
and the moment that happens, the moment some of it can be messed
up. Or the machines can be operated differently. There are a whole
load of things which can be done wrong. The Chinese people are well
known for making cheap products. If you look on the bottom of a
cheap product it will often say made in china. Look at something
really well made, will say "made in England".

I think I am probably not being PC about this and so I will be
flamed for racism.
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And rightly so. Even if you are right and different manufacturing
plants train their people to different standards, there really
wasn't any reason to bring race into it to make your point, was
there?

DB.
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Really, I got so confused and upset by all this talk of "made in china" and "made in japan" that's been going on recently that I actually went out and bought TEN Canon A80's - 5 from China and 5 from Japan. I had to order the Japan ones from Holland!! I have spent the last eleven days scrutinizing every aspect of the different cameras. I have compared response times, shutter lag, purple fringing, flash performance, noise levels and ofcourse picture quality and white balance. I spent one night locked up in my closet with the cameras - taking pictures in the dark, carefully avoiding shutter times above one second (where noise reduction sets in!!) - so that I can zoom all the pictures to 300% in Photoshop and count dead or stuck pixels. I have compared everything down to the smallest detail, including the density of the wonderful fabric that makes up the wrist strap. I can now say with pride that I can tell the difference between a Japan- and China-made A80, only by listening to the minute difference in frequency in the self-timer sound! However, that's the only difference I've found so far..........
I will continue searching though.
I won't give up on you!
I know you need to know!

.
 
Then why did he frame the issue in terms of race? What you said isn't racist. You didn't frame it in terms of race. Sport5 did. If he believes that one set of people does something in an inferior way because of the "race" that they belong to, then guess what that is the definition of racism. I gave him the opportunity to correct himself ... he didn't take it, so obviously he enjoys taking perfectly ordinary issues and injecting race into them to get a rise out of people. You shouldn't be defending him.
Mooder Man said:
Jeeeeez.
mamallama said:
Mooder Man said:
I think I am probably not being PC about this and so I will be
flamed for racism.
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Racism may also get you banned from this forum. It's happened before.

--mamallama
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Well, all racists believe they are being factual, don't they?

Maybe you should reread your original post. If you really don't want to be seen as racist, then don't ascribe differences in the quality of workers to the "race" of the workers, which is precisely what you did. But then, you did it intentionally, didn't you?
Sport5 said:
mamallama said:
Sport5 said:
I think I am probably not being PC about this and so I will be
flamed for racism.
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Racism may also get you banned from this forum. It's happened before.

--mamallama
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Dogger Blue said:
Then why did he frame the issue in terms of race? What you said
isn't racist. You didn't frame it in terms of race. Sport5 did. If
he believes that one set of people does something in an inferior
way because of the "race" that they belong to, then guess what that
is the definition of racism. I gave him the opportunity to correct
himself ... he didn't take it, so obviously he enjoys taking
perfectly ordinary issues and injecting race into them to get a
rise out of people. You shouldn't be defending him.
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I've took the liberty to look over again what was said and in no way was he being racist. To be honest people like you make me sick. You're almost certainly the type that likes to take every opportunity to bring racism into an argument with the full intention in causing trouble.

My advice to you is to get down off your soap box and grow up before you succeed in making yourself look an even bigger idiot than you already are.
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Best regards,

Del

Fuji 602 Pro * TCON -17 * Vivitar 283 * Canon A70 * Canon A80 *
 
sbloomer -

Cheap that is why. Since when was Intel's products built to a high standard? I have several computer products made in China , all of which are built the same, everytime it broke I took one back ( this was for a computer case ) , the exact same case , new one, had the exact same problem. After returning 4 times to get the same problem, I went out and bought myself a made in America case, have not had one problem. I can't base an opinion as to the whole of China on one case, but it is interesting how all the cases have the exact same design falt. People cut corners as much as possible. You should know that.

JasonL - Good argument.
sbloomer said:
companies like Intel building manufacturing plants in China?

Why are more than half of the top 500 global heavyweight companies
investing in China?

Just a thought.....
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If you bought ten A80s you could of bought a very nice DSLR canon instead

sue anne
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inkyape said:
Really, I got so confused and upset by all this talk of "made in
china" and "made in japan" that's been going on recently that I
actually went out and bought TEN Canon A80's - 5 from China and 5
from Japan. I had to order the Japan ones from Holland!! I have
spent the last eleven days scrutinizing every aspect of the
different cameras. I have compared response times, shutter lag,
purple fringing, flash performance, noise levels and ofcourse
picture quality and white balance. I spent one night locked up in
my closet with the cameras - taking pictures in the dark, carefully
avoiding shutter times above one second (where noise reduction sets
in!!) - so that I can zoom all the pictures to 300% in Photoshop
and count dead or stuck pixels. I have compared everything down to
the smallest detail, including the density of the wonderful fabric
that makes up the wrist strap. I can now say with pride that I can
tell the difference between a Japan- and China-made A80, only by
listening to the minute difference in frequency in the self-timer
sound! However, that's the only difference I've found so
far..........
I will continue searching though.
I won't give up on you!
I know you need to know!

.
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Sport5 is the one who brought race into this argument. Nobody was talking about race before his post. Read it again. The record doesn't lie.
ukdelboy said:
Dogger Blue said:
Then why did he frame the issue in terms of race? What you said
isn't racist. You didn't frame it in terms of race. Sport5 did. If
he believes that one set of people does something in an inferior
way because of the "race" that they belong to, then guess what that
is the definition of racism. I gave him the opportunity to correct
himself ... he didn't take it, so obviously he enjoys taking
perfectly ordinary issues and injecting race into them to get a
rise out of people. You shouldn't be defending him.
Click to expand...
I've took the liberty to look over again what was said and in no
way was he being racist. To be honest people like you make me sick.
You're almost certainly the type that likes to take every
opportunity to bring racism into an argument with the full
intention in causing trouble.

My advice to you is to get down off your soap box and grow up
before you succeed in making yourself look an even bigger idiot
than you already are.
--
Best regards,

Del

Fuji 602 Pro * TCON -17 * Vivitar 283 * Canon A70 * Canon A80 *
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Because Sport5 is not a racist. Accept it honey, the days of calling everyone a racist for combing their hair the wrong way are over.

It was silly while it lasted. You are the racisit for bring it up.
Dogger Blue said:
ukdelboy said:
Dogger Blue said:
Then why did he frame the issue in terms of race? What you said
isn't racist. You didn't frame it in terms of race. Sport5 did. If
he believes that one set of people does something in an inferior
way because of the "race" that they belong to, then guess what that
is the definition of racism. I gave him the opportunity to correct
himself ... he didn't take it, so obviously he enjoys taking
perfectly ordinary issues and injecting race into them to get a
rise out of people. You shouldn't be defending him.
Click to expand...
I've took the liberty to look over again what was said and in no
way was he being racist. To be honest people like you make me sick.
You're almost certainly the type that likes to take every
opportunity to bring racism into an argument with the full
intention in causing trouble.

My advice to you is to get down off your soap box and grow up
before you succeed in making yourself look an even bigger idiot
than you already are.
--
Best regards,

Del

Fuji 602 Pro * TCON -17 * Vivitar 283 * Canon A70 * Canon A80 *
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LOL! Quick ... someone delete this thread before likehe sees it !

This will definitely destroy all those "Made In China" beliefs that he holds so dear ...
inkyape said:
Really, I got so confused and upset by all this talk of "made in
china" and "made in japan" that's been going on recently that I
actually went out and bought TEN Canon A80's - 5 from China and 5
from Japan. I had to order the Japan ones from Holland!! I have
spent the last eleven days scrutinizing every aspect of the
different cameras. I have compared response times, shutter lag,
purple fringing, flash performance, noise levels and ofcourse
picture quality and white balance. I spent one night locked up in
my closet with the cameras - taking pictures in the dark, carefully
avoiding shutter times above one second (where noise reduction sets
in!!) - so that I can zoom all the pictures to 300% in Photoshop
and count dead or stuck pixels. I have compared everything down to
the smallest detail, including the density of the wonderful fabric
that makes up the wrist strap. I can now say with pride that I can
tell the difference between a Japan- and China-made A80, only by
listening to the minute difference in frequency in the self-timer
sound! However, that's the only difference I've found so
far..........
I will continue searching though.
I won't give up on you!
I know you need to know!

.
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Made in China has unfortunately come to reflect a country. A good group of people that certainly don't go to work to do lousy work.

However. the ONLY reasons businesses move production to China is for low cost - pure and simple. The concept of getting paid for quality no longer is part of the criteria.

Imagine my chagrin when I installed an expensive digital timer (120v) in the wall. Said timer happened to carry a reputable company's brand. I installed it anyway. Imagine my chagrin when four month's later I found it had decided to self-immolate. Fortunately the electrical box contained the fire.

No. Made in China is a risk because the criteria the seller has has nothing to do with my criteria. In our pursuit of value we sometimes forget these things still have to work.
 
Apparently, you don't know what the difference is. It's not the quality of the resulting image. It's the build quality (and of course, price) that makes Japan-made different from China-made electronics.

Many consumers do not realize the advantage of having a China-made (or where ever) option, which is a lot cheaper than a made-in-Japan.
mario7 said:
Can we PLEASE stop this nonsense?? Either start a new forum for
this $& # where people can discuss the relationship between cams
made in each country and their relationship to black helicopters
and the G7 group (note, it's an ORGANIZATION NOT a camera) or
simply stop it.

There is NO difference. They are made to IDENTICAL specs. Do you
think Canon are so stupid as to risk the loss of goodwill should
there actually BE a difference. The same people claiming MIJ cams
are better are the same people claiming improvement from placebo
pills in double blind tests.

STOP THE MADNESS.
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Medic
 
Dude, that wasn't me. Pay attention to who is replying.

Mark
Mooder Man said:
Sport5 said:
Mooder Man said:
In all fairness I represent a company that makes survey equipment
in China and they have assimilated very well over the years.

Early on, they were bad.
mario7 said:
Can we PLEASE stop this nonsense?? Either start a new forum for
this $& # where people can discuss the relationship between cams
made in each country and their relationship to black helicopters
and the G7 group (note, it's an ORGANIZATION NOT a camera) or
simply stop it.

There is NO difference. They are made to IDENTICAL specs. Do you
think Canon are so stupid as to risk the loss of goodwill should
there actually BE a difference. The same people claiming MIJ cams
are better are the same people claiming improvement from placebo
pills in double blind tests.

STOP THE MADNESS.
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Make sure you don't lose any of them in the forest. If anyone was to find one with the pictures from the closet...

;^D

Phil
inkyape said:
Really, I got so confused and upset by all this talk of "made in
china" and "made in japan" that's been going on recently that I
actually went out and bought TEN Canon A80's - 5 from China and 5
from Japan. I had to order the Japan ones from Holland!! I have
spent the last eleven days scrutinizing every aspect of the
different cameras. I have compared response times, shutter lag,
purple fringing, flash performance, noise levels and ofcourse
picture quality and white balance. I spent one night locked up in
my closet with the cameras - taking pictures in the dark, carefully
avoiding shutter times above one second (where noise reduction sets
in!!) - so that I can zoom all the pictures to 300% in Photoshop
and count dead or stuck pixels. I have compared everything down to
the smallest detail, including the density of the wonderful fabric
that makes up the wrist strap. I can now say with pride that I can
tell the difference between a Japan- and China-made A80, only by
listening to the minute difference in frequency in the self-timer
sound! However, that's the only difference I've found so
far..........
I will continue searching though.
I won't give up on you!
I know you need to know!

.
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