20d - no RAW in Basic zone exposure modes

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I'm curious about the fact that you can not use RAW in all exposure modes. Am I the only one who wants to shoot in the Basic zone in situations it was made for and Creativ Zone when it gets difficult?

May there be a coustom function or a firmware update to enable that support?

What are your thoughts??

Trip
 
in the 10D, you cannot use raw in full auto mode (is this the same as the basic zone you mention?). Switch to P and raw instantly becomes available. Are you hearing the 20d is different? Switching to P is simple, at most you have to hit the flash button and it works like full auto, plus you get the exposure control, iso control, etc.

Sean
 
I count Auto mode to Basic Zone, and I think it is the same with the 10d and my G2. I like RAW and I like the Basic Zone because it is easy, fast!! (don't have to preselect any aperature) and the camera doesn't make too many mistakes for me.
Just want to shoot RAWs and use the Basic Zone.

Trip
in the 10D, you cannot use raw in full auto mode (is this the same
as the basic zone you mention?). Switch to P and raw instantly
becomes available. Are you hearing the 20d is different?
Switching to P is simple, at most you have to hit the flash button
and it works like full auto, plus you get the exposure control, iso
control, etc.

Sean
 
Then I'd say you should use P mode. It is basically auto mode except you have to choose flash or no flash. I think at absolute minimum a photographer should decide if he or she wants flash or not.

Jason
Trip
in the 10D, you cannot use raw in full auto mode (is this the same
as the basic zone you mention?). Switch to P and raw instantly
becomes available. Are you hearing the 20d is different?
Switching to P is simple, at most you have to hit the flash button
and it works like full auto, plus you get the exposure control, iso
control, etc.

Sean
 
Who are you people who buy nice cameras and use full-auto? I want to do what you do for a living when I get older.
Richard
Trip
in the 10D, you cannot use raw in full auto mode (is this the same
as the basic zone you mention?). Switch to P and raw instantly
becomes available. Are you hearing the 20d is different?
Switching to P is simple, at most you have to hit the flash button
and it works like full auto, plus you get the exposure control, iso
control, etc.

Sean
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What are your thoughts??
My thought is that Raw mode and either of the semi-manual shooting modes ( Av or Tv; even P with shift ) are very similar, in what they give you and what they cost.

You get more control over the process when you shoot in Raw mode; you get to make decisions ( about contrast, color tone, white balance, &c ) that the camera would make in Jpeg mode. This can translate into better photos if you make better choices than the camera. But this means time and effort; you have to convert your own files. And you have to know what you're doing.

The 'advanced' shooting modes are the same story. You tell the camera what aperture to shoot at to control depth of field, lens sharpness, and so on. Or what shutter speed to control movement, to freeze lens shake, and so on.

I can't really imagine why anyone would want to deal with Raw files, but not want to shoot in Av/Tv/M mode?
 
Nope, I don't want to use P mode, it uses average aperatures and for a portrait I'd have to shift the exposure which takes a second and makes the special smile away I want to capture.

I want to use Basic Zone, i.e. portrait mode, and get RAW files.

Not P-Mode and it ain't about flash.

Trip
Jason
Trip
in the 10D, you cannot use raw in full auto mode (is this the same
as the basic zone you mention?). Switch to P and raw instantly
becomes available. Are you hearing the 20d is different?
Switching to P is simple, at most you have to hit the flash button
and it works like full auto, plus you get the exposure control, iso
control, etc.

Sean
 
Never been an issue for me, I never use the basic zones, they take away all flexibility.

Mark
I'm curious about the fact that you can not use RAW in all exposure
modes. Am I the only one who wants to shoot in the Basic zone in
situations it was made for and Creativ Zone when it gets difficult?

May there be a coustom function or a firmware update to enable that
support?

What are your thoughts??

Trip
 
Well, I'll answer your original question anyway. You are MUCH more likely to get struck by lightning than for Canon to change the way this functions with a firmware update. It most certainly could be changed, there is no technical reason why it would not but Canon made tha decision for a reason and they'll stick to it. They simply believe that someone that needs help selecting apertures for portraits (or whatever mode you're using) can't be trusted to check the RAW/JPG mode, and they don't want someone making that mistake.

Jason
 
Troll
I'm curious about the fact that you can not use RAW in all exposure
modes. Am I the only one who wants to shoot in the Basic zone in
situations it was made for and Creativ Zone when it gets difficult?

May there be a coustom function or a firmware update to enable that
support?

What are your thoughts??

Trip
 
Well, I'm very well aware of all the advantages of P, Av, Tv and M modes, as well as of the RAW workflow, thanks to Phil, the forums and personal experience.

Why do I have to use all choices, always? Why do I have to limit my choices completly?

Trip
What are your thoughts??
My thought is that Raw mode and either of the semi-manual shooting
modes ( Av or Tv; even P with shift ) are very similar, in what
they give you and what they cost.

You get more control over the process when you shoot in Raw mode;
you get to make decisions ( about contrast, color tone, white
balance, &c ) that the camera would make in Jpeg mode. This can
translate into better photos if you make better choices than the
camera. But this means time and effort; you have to convert your
own files. And you have to know what you're doing.

The 'advanced' shooting modes are the same story. You tell the
camera what aperture to shoot at to control depth of field, lens
sharpness, and so on. Or what shutter speed to control movement,
to freeze lens shake, and so on.

I can't really imagine why anyone would want to deal with Raw
files, but not want to shoot in Av/Tv/M mode?
 
Why do I have to use all choices, always?
Of course you don't have to. But you might find it makes sense to. Your G2 has one lens, that was designed for the CCD it's used with. With the 20D, you can mount any lens you'd like: ones designed for the 1.6x sensor family, ones designed for film with or without digital in mind, even old manual focus lenses for other mounts. The point is the auto settings work better on the G2 because that camera always knows what it's working with.

Seriously, if you take a moment to set the aperture to your lens's sweet spot and a shutter speed that will freeze things, you'll get a better picture in jpeg mode, then if you put the camera in sports/portrait mode and shoot a raw. Which isn't possible anyway, it seems, so people here are trying to give you advice to figure out a way the camera will let you work.
 
I'm curious about the fact that you can not use RAW in all exposure
modes. Am I the only one who wants to shoot in the Basic zone in
situations it was made for and Creativ Zone when it gets difficult?

May there be a coustom function or a firmware update to enable that
support?

What are your thoughts??

Trip
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RDKirk
'TANSTAAFL: The only unbreakable rule in photography.'
 
Ok, so use Av, open the aperature as wide as it will go and fire away. The basic modes have more problems than just not using raw. They also force you to use all focus points, for instance. I know what focus point I want to use, and I don't want the camera choosing differently... Oh, and no custom functions...

Really, these modes are meant for people who barely know how to turn on the camera. This sort of person isn't going to know what to do with a raw file... If you're not one of these people, Canon really doesn't mean for you to use the "basic" modes...
I want to use Basic Zone, i.e. portrait mode, and get RAW files.

Not P-Mode and it ain't about flash.

Trip
Jason
Trip
in the 10D, you cannot use raw in full auto mode (is this the same
as the basic zone you mention?). Switch to P and raw instantly
becomes available. Are you hearing the 20d is different?
Switching to P is simple, at most you have to hit the flash button
and it works like full auto, plus you get the exposure control, iso
control, etc.

Sean
 
Thank you all for your replys, I was just a little disappointed to see this "issue" with that otherwise perfect camera. I originally was planning to buy the D70 (whitch supports RAW and Basic modes) but changed my mind when handling/shooting with it in the shop and all the issues (backfocusing) discussed in the D70 forums. Of course the new 20d did her part.

50% of the time I want full control over the camera, may be I'm not a good photographer (yet), but I know the theory (my friends say to good to concentrate on the picture). I try to adjust the camera as good as possible to get the shot I intend to.

But there are the other 50 % when I want to take occasional photos with not dealing around with all the functions of this great camera, but still maintain the same file format. I only want RAWs just for the reason of archiving them. And if one of these occasional shots is worth to be printed 20x30 it should not come from a reduzed Jpeg.

I will have to live with it - and will, it just would have been nice.
20d still is the perfect cam

Trip
Really, these modes are meant for people who barely know how to
turn on the camera. This sort of person isn't going to know what
to do with a raw file... If you're not one of these people, Canon
really doesn't mean for you to use the "basic" modes...
I want to use Basic Zone, i.e. portrait mode, and get RAW files.

Not P-Mode and it ain't about flash.

Trip
Jason
Trip
in the 10D, you cannot use raw in full auto mode (is this the same
as the basic zone you mention?). Switch to P and raw instantly
becomes available. Are you hearing the 20d is different?
Switching to P is simple, at most you have to hit the flash button
and it works like full auto, plus you get the exposure control, iso
control, etc.

Sean
 
While shooting raw in one of the Basic modes does at first seem to be a strange request, I can see where some may find it useful in a few scenarios - if you consider the Basic modes simply as custom parameters.

For example, you may alway shoot raw and use Av, Tv, P or manual - but you may also personally like the setting of P-mode, ISO400, AI Servo, multi-shot in particular settings - and with the low noise of ISO400 this is definitely a possibility.

So why not have the ability to simply switch to Sports mode and have your preference of Raw format used - instead of having to perform all the steps of switching to "P", changing ISO values, changing to AI Servo and cycling to multi-shot? It does seem a little unnecessary to not at least have that capability.

-n
 
There was nothing troll like in the original post or any of his follow uo posts. If you are going to throw terms around take time to learn their meaning.
I'm curious about the fact that you can not use RAW in all exposure
modes. Am I the only one who wants to shoot in the Basic zone in
situations it was made for and Creativ Zone when it gets difficult?

May there be a coustom function or a firmware update to enable that
support?

What are your thoughts??

Trip
--
John
 
You got my point, that is exactly what I want. Not because I'm too lazy to do the settings on my own, just because it is faster.

Something else : If somebody else, with less knowledge, wants to take photos with my camera (like my girl friend) I'd still like RAWs to come out.

Thanks
Trip
While shooting raw in one of the Basic modes does at first seem to
be a strange request, I can see where some may find it useful in a
few scenarios - if you consider the Basic modes simply as custom
parameters.

For example, you may alway shoot raw and use Av, Tv, P or manual -
but you may also personally like the setting of P-mode, ISO400, AI
Servo, multi-shot in particular settings - and with the low noise
of ISO400 this is definitely a possibility.

So why not have the ability to simply switch to Sports mode and
have your preference of Raw format used - instead of having to
perform all the steps of switching to "P", changing ISO values,
changing to AI Servo and cycling to multi-shot? It does seem a
little unnecessary to not at least have that capability.

-n
 
It seems whenever someone doesn't agree with a post or simply doesn't like a post, it's become fashionable to call the post a troll. It doesn't fit here, not even close.

Mark
I'm curious about the fact that you can not use RAW in all exposure
modes. Am I the only one who wants to shoot in the Basic zone in
situations it was made for and Creativ Zone when it gets difficult?

May there be a coustom function or a firmware update to enable that
support?

What are your thoughts??

Trip
 

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