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Nikon's answer to the 20D?
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JPOctane
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Jerome,
That was a near worthless link. I would imagine Nikon's answer to the 20D simply to be "Oh @#$%."
-James
That was a near worthless link. I would imagine Nikon's answer to the 20D simply to be "Oh @#$%."
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-James
jackkurtz
Senior Member
I could see some of those (like the D200 and the rumored D2X) but the rest seems pretty far fetched.
jk
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Why? What stunning improvement does the 20D have that Nikon can't hope to emulate in the surely-soon update to the 100? In-camera B&W? Considering that Nikon's had instant-on for ages, and can still best it as far as Spot metering and flash TTL goes, I don't think the D20 is causing too many sleepless nights.
If only they came close in camera usability I'd think about switching. But the rear focus button is too far away, and the front control dial is at the wrong point. Canon has this right.
I have about $7500.00 worth of Canon glass that won't work on that Nikon, even if it had 30mp.
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Ron Parr
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This smells a lot like the predictions at Lonestar Digital:
http://www.lonestardigital.com/
Are people just copying other people's rumors, or is there something behind it?
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Are people just copying other people's rumors, or is there something behind it?
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JPOctane
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bonaldi,
I meant it was a near worthless link becuase of its high speculation and not enough credability and support -- in other words, rumors; not because of Nikon's excellent cameras. I still stand by my thoughts on Nikon's answer though. They're pants are wet, and it's not because it's raining.
-James
-James
I meant it was a near worthless link becuase of its high speculation and not enough credability and support -- in other words, rumors; not because of Nikon's excellent cameras. I still stand by my thoughts on Nikon's answer though. They're pants are wet, and it's not because it's raining.
-James
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Tom C11968
Veteran Member
I"m selling my D60, Rebel, 20D, all my glass, even the ones in the kitchen and going with Nikon. It's not fair, Canon should have known Nikon was going to come out with better cameras and made the 20D even better. ;o)
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unbound
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Click on the picture of the camera. The predictions have no real basis, and are actually just a wish list, similar to what we see in the 'by Thom' predictions a couple of times a year.
Everyone is better off with competition--price wise and tech wise.
I hope Nikon comes out with a good camera. I'm still getting the 20D that's on order for me, though. Just my personal preference.
You people who like to troll (I'm talking of the Canon people in the Nikon Forum and vice versa) --I just don't understand you. It's just annoying. We should stand together and hope that all manufacturers progress with quality products so the tech will advance and the prices will drop.
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I hope Nikon comes out with a good camera. I'm still getting the 20D that's on order for me, though. Just my personal preference.
You people who like to troll (I'm talking of the Canon people in the Nikon Forum and vice versa) --I just don't understand you. It's just annoying. We should stand together and hope that all manufacturers progress with quality products so the tech will advance and the prices will drop.
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Bernie Ess
Veteran Member
Thom Hogan wrote on the Nikon Forum recently that Nikon's current message is that the have a "significant answer to every competitive threat" (whatever that means), the mentioned site however just seems to be wishful thinking. Upgrading the D2h + D3 + D2x? Well not very realistic.
But I (being on the Nikn mount with Fuji) hope that they stay tough competition for Canon.
regards, Bernie
But I (being on the Nikn mount with Fuji) hope that they stay tough competition for Canon.
regards, Bernie
David Mazeau
Senior Member
I really don't think Nikon can easily get the same low noise levels
that Canon is getting from the CMOS sensor. So, in summary,
a more usable ISO 400 and ISO 800, et cetera.
The CMOS sensor Canon has in the 20D may also be cheaper to make
than what Nikon pays Sony for the CCD in the D70. And that
savings can be spent on other things in the camera, that make the
20D a true thing of quality.
Do you truely expect Nikon to give a press release announcement the day after the Canon 20D announcement. Get real, that is too absurd to think. If Nikon announces the D90 or D200 on Sept 16th, we will know then which camera is better on paper. Maybe it will not be as good or maybe they will not announce something, who knows. You are completely entitled to like the camera system you do and have your opinion on which is better. And, in current specs, the 20D looks better than the D70 and D100. Nikon announced the D70 after Canon had the D Rebel. Now, 2 of my local shops can not keep D70's in stock and the D Rebels are sitting on the shelves. I for one, believe Nikon will repeat what they did with the D70 and announce a D90 that will one-up the 20D.
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David Mazeau
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But what was the D70, really ? It was just the same Sony CCD sensor in
the old D100, and then a few minor refinements, all put into a
package about half the price of a D100. A great deal.
So they spuced up the D100 and cut the price of it, as far as I know.
But they can't simply do that again... spruce up the old D100.
Well, look what Canon did. THey down graded the 10D and put it into a plastic body.
10D to 300D
$1500 to $900
Downgraded camera features on average
D100 to D70
$1500 to $1000
Upgraded camera features on average
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D100 to D70
$1500 to $1000
Upgraded camera features on average
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David Mazeau
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I get the impression that it's just a question of semantics now, but
none the less, I think you are looking at this the wrong way. What
you are saying is true, but you have left out the sixth DSLR in the
picture. The camera that will replace Nikon's D100, the way the 20D
has replaced the 10D.
Yes, the D70 did get the D100's sensor, the same way the 300D
got the 10D's sensor.
But Canon has introduced the 20D now. That will be an extra 2
million pixels, with even lower noise levels. For $500 less. The big
question is, will Nikon be getting an 8MP sensor from Sony that can
match Canon's CMOS sensor ? Will Nikon have a "D200", or whatever
they will call it, that will have better ISO 400 and ISO 800 ? And
will that DSLR be for $500 less as well ?
And if Sony can deliver a cheap to manufacture 8MP CCD sensors,
that will have noise levels as low as the CMOS sensor in the 20D,
then why is Nikon messing around with this LBCast stuff in the
D2H's sensor ? Why not just remain Sony's customer if CCD sensors
are so great ?
I'd suggest to you the reason is simple: because they know that
if CCD sensors from Sony are all they will ever have to compete
against Canon, they will eventually loose out. Although, up to this
point, Nikon's LBCast sensor in the D2H has been nothing more
than basic flop. Bad noise, even at only 4MP. LBCast doesn't seem
to be working well, so far.
Laurence Matson
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Ron,
There is something behind it. The rumor/leak has been around Europe for at least three months.
The specs I got were 16 MP. However, the early price leaks were - hold your breath - in the €25,000 range. Pros on this side of the pond told Nikon where they could take that price or half of it.
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There is something behind it. The rumor/leak has been around Europe for at least three months.
The specs I got were 16 MP. However, the early price leaks were - hold your breath - in the €25,000 range. Pros on this side of the pond told Nikon where they could take that price or half of it.
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JPOctane
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daytontp,
Absurd? You show me someone who thinks, with a straight face, that that link has any degree of credibility, and I'll show you someone who's absurd. I mean c'mon, the paragraph even states, and I quote
". . . along comes some rumors/predictions of Nikon striking back with a whole bunch of new digital cameras . . . "
". . . rumors/predictions . . ." -- need I say more? Like I said before, I think Nikon makes great cameras. It's just the link is worthless. It doesn't tell me anything believable, or even worth Googling.
-James
-James
Absurd? You show me someone who thinks, with a straight face, that that link has any degree of credibility, and I'll show you someone who's absurd. I mean c'mon, the paragraph even states, and I quote
". . . along comes some rumors/predictions of Nikon striking back with a whole bunch of new digital cameras . . . "
". . . rumors/predictions . . ." -- need I say more? Like I said before, I think Nikon makes great cameras. It's just the link is worthless. It doesn't tell me anything believable, or even worth Googling.
-James
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