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How Does He Do It?....Part 3
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with "yet another one"
Let's get down to the steps in creating something similar..
I consider my self a intermediate photoshoper and still have not quite understood the technique yet.
Can someone Post a good step.
In my eyes Lazlo, freelancer54, DannyM are the only ones getting really close..
Maybe they can elaborate on there steps a little more.
I and others would like to get to the steps in creating something similar.
Please do not post a bunch of " is this close". That is for the eyes of the beholder.
Thanks,
Snook
Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
Let's get down to the steps in creating something similar..
I consider my self a intermediate photoshoper and still have not quite understood the technique yet.
Can someone Post a good step.
In my eyes Lazlo, freelancer54, DannyM are the only ones getting really close..
Maybe they can elaborate on there steps a little more.
I and others would like to get to the steps in creating something similar.
Please do not post a bunch of " is this close". That is for the eyes of the beholder.
Thanks,
Snook
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Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
And you are one of those I was referring to..
Go put your tries in the gallery forum please.
If you noticed the subject is How did he do it.. Not how did you do it...Does that ring a bell?
Snook.
Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
Go put your tries in the gallery forum please.
If you noticed the subject is How did he do it.. Not how did you do it...Does that ring a bell?
Snook.
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Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
Like I said - you can't stop people, including me, from posting anything.
Check my posts again, Snook, there's some tidbits you might be able to put together. All your posts have been the same, "I don't get it, I don't get it?" You sound like John Heard in "Big". Yet everyone but you, it seems have some idea. lol.
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Kent
http://www.pbase.com/kentc
You have about 2 posts in the previuos thread. Of which neither give any info.
So I do not know what you mean by look at your posts.
All though your effort is good it is nothing close to what we are looking for.
Keep trying.;-)
Snook
PS. Post as much as you want..It is free and can be passed by if one wants to.
Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
So I do not know what you mean by look at your posts.
All though your effort is good it is nothing close to what we are looking for.
Keep trying.;-)
Snook
PS. Post as much as you want..It is free and can be passed by if one wants to.
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Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
Open the Old Lady .psd that you downloaded. Unclick all the layers but the frist one and make a Duplicate picture that you can work on. Then just click on each layer and follow it...don't forget to check the Mode of each layer.
Finally someone with positive response..
I'll try working on it and check back..
Maybe you might know something else.
I having been working on some stuff that might be done in a similar fashion..
Are you familar with the deisel clothing campaigns? Well they had a campaign out last year (jeans) and it was similar technique.. everything looked kind of B&W with an ever so slight color "painted" back in.. so the skin tones were almost balack and white with slight blue tone and the jeans looked like a dark rich blue.
I am trying to find a picture on the net of that exact campaign to show you all.. I only have a magazine add and do not have a scanner here... Might just take a picture with the old Nikon cool pix to upload here.
Thanks for your advice I will double check the Old lady psd again...
Cheers.
Snook
If you know what campaign I am talking about can you let me know how you think they did it..?
It was the one where they were a girl and guy and they were pulling a electrical plug out of the wall but it was done like they were being pulled away or blown away so they were fighting to get the plug un plugged..;-)
Thanks again
Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
I'll try working on it and check back..
Maybe you might know something else.
I having been working on some stuff that might be done in a similar fashion..
Are you familar with the deisel clothing campaigns? Well they had a campaign out last year (jeans) and it was similar technique.. everything looked kind of B&W with an ever so slight color "painted" back in.. so the skin tones were almost balack and white with slight blue tone and the jeans looked like a dark rich blue.
I am trying to find a picture on the net of that exact campaign to show you all.. I only have a magazine add and do not have a scanner here... Might just take a picture with the old Nikon cool pix to upload here.
Thanks for your advice I will double check the Old lady psd again...
Cheers.
Snook
If you know what campaign I am talking about can you let me know how you think they did it..?
It was the one where they were a girl and guy and they were pulling a electrical plug out of the wall but it was done like they were being pulled away or blown away so they were fighting to get the plug un plugged..;-)
Thanks again
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Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
augustc
Well-known member
As Freelancer's layers demonstrate, this is more like painting than like some automated Photoshop process with clearly defined steps -- very different from, say, creating lightning bolts with Photoshop. This is about filling in shadow and color by hand with a brush, then blending.
Can anyone provide an action or tutorial on how to paint a Picasso? Same thing here. Better to study how light, shadow, and color falls on faces and to experiment with a soft brush.
Can anyone provide an action or tutorial on how to paint a Picasso? Same thing here. Better to study how light, shadow, and color falls on faces and to experiment with a soft brush.
morteneriksen
New member
My attempt ended like this:
I have read a lot of the posts in these threads, and used some elements of what I have read in the picture. But I found out that there is actually more a question of understanding photoshop tools combined with a lot of try and fail, if you want a good result.
For those interested, you can download and look at my .psd file if you like.
http://moreri2.hos.online.no/Oldman.psd
Morten
http://www.pbase.com/morteneriksen
I have read a lot of the posts in these threads, and used some elements of what I have read in the picture. But I found out that there is actually more a question of understanding photoshop tools combined with a lot of try and fail, if you want a good result.
For those interested, you can download and look at my .psd file if you like.
http://moreri2.hos.online.no/Oldman.psd
Morten
http://www.pbase.com/morteneriksen
mongoose101
Active member
I am one of those people who dont get it. But I must say snook if you want help you should not demand, I myself are going to ask nicely to KentC for some help.
Hi KentC I understand that this process is difficult but my problem is this I have download the PSD files but and opened it but I dont understand what to really do afterwords. I am a very very New person to Photoshop but am not ingnorant in computers. When you have some free time could you right out a step by step instructions ex. open layer (how do I do that) and adjust to your liking (how do I do that) examples I then would do my own editing of my own picuters. I am asking when you get a chance on would be able too.
Thanks
Hi KentC I understand that this process is difficult but my problem is this I have download the PSD files but and opened it but I dont understand what to really do afterwords. I am a very very New person to Photoshop but am not ingnorant in computers. When you have some free time could you right out a step by step instructions ex. open layer (how do I do that) and adjust to your liking (how do I do that) examples I then would do my own editing of my own picuters. I am asking when you get a chance on would be able too.
Thanks
You are right.. I guess the main thing also is getting the right color "paint" for the skin tones...
Yours looks good. what color did you use for the skin?
I guess another thing that was throwing me off is the low res getty images people are using...
I did a couple of a caucasan girl that i shot for a magazine the other day and her skin tones when I went through the process some how came out really dark.. more african american after my attempts.
But maybe was do to studio lighting.
Thanks for your psd. I'll check it out.
Thanks again,
snook
Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
Yours looks good. what color did you use for the skin?
I guess another thing that was throwing me off is the low res getty images people are using...
I did a couple of a caucasan girl that i shot for a magazine the other day and her skin tones when I went through the process some how came out really dark.. more african american after my attempts.
But maybe was do to studio lighting.
Thanks for your psd. I'll check it out.
Thanks again,
snook
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I have read a lot of the posts in these threads, and used some
elements of what I have read in the picture. But I found out that
there is actually more a question of understanding photoshop tools
combined with a lot of try and fail, if you want a good result.
For those interested, you can download and look at my .psd file if
you like.
http://moreri2.hos.online.no/Oldman.psd
Morten
http://www.pbase.com/morteneriksen
Canon 1Ds,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
good job...but looks like you left some burn lines above the head you should be able to erase. I do that all the time and when I finally notice it, or change a mode that brings it out...it is 15 layers later.
I have read a lot of the posts in these threads, and used some
elements of what I have read in the picture. But I found out that
there is actually more a question of understanding photoshop tools
combined with a lot of try and fail, if you want a good result.
For those interested, you can download and look at my .psd file if
you like.
http://moreri2.hos.online.no/Oldman.psd
Morten
http://www.pbase.com/morteneriksen
DannyM
Forum Enthusiast
Some did not understand my "How I did it". I will try to put very simple.
1-2-3.
1. Make one copy in Black and White, blend it to an unedited version of the original.
2. Colorize that image.
3. Polish it up.
thats it!!! You dont follow steps, you never do!! You get the key moves (eg "1-2-3.") and approach them the way you know best.
I mention that the most important was the thought process, not how I got there. Its: "What do you need?""What do I have", and knowing the tools I know, "How do I get there."
If I suggest -Turn a background copy into BW and blend it with a bg copy. dont just follow my steps, or others, blindly.
Turn the image to BW the best way you can. Its not easy. Never use desaturate. There are several ways. I like using Channel Mixer. And I never follow any combination to get a good image, I rather play around with the bars until I see something I like. If you are still having much trouble, just use the channel with best contrast, its usually blue or green.
Colorize the image.
Do you know how to add (enhance) color to an image?
Do you know how to add color to a Black and White image?
Do you know the basics of color theory?
If you cant answer these questions, then you better go buy yourself a tutorial, maybe a $40 book.
If you do, then apply that knowledge to your image.
There are several hundred ways to do this. On my first example I used Color Balance Adjustments Layers. On my "yelling" image I did it another way. you can also used a slightly desaturated image, set it to blend in color mode, and just paint right over the image (It will preserve luminance), then use a mask to clean up any mess you have done. There are many more ways out there.
Polish it up:
With this I mean a COMPLETE understanding of Levels, Curves, Brightness/Contrast, Color Balance, Hue/Saturation, etc.
But not only that, you have to know how to use them in layers and how to use them with masks.
My God! If you get a dark image, please dont ask me how to lighten it up! You should know how to already. And if you dont, which is perfectly fine and acceptable, ask but dont ask me to tell you everything about PS, something that needs a book not a thread.
I know this kind of sounds like I am being to mean, it is my not intention. But I just keep seeing people wanting to follow specific steps. Its not the way you go about creating images. Kent certainly seems to understand this. Obiously Laura (freelancer54) understands this, csspringer, and many others. Dragan said it himself, Al Ward, author of PS Art of Photo Manipulation, teaches this as well. You see, knowing the technique is knowing the tools and the key moves. Maybe we still need to add or take a few key moves to best represent dragans style, but thats beside the point.
-Daniel
1-2-3.
1. Make one copy in Black and White, blend it to an unedited version of the original.
2. Colorize that image.
3. Polish it up.
thats it!!! You dont follow steps, you never do!! You get the key moves (eg "1-2-3.") and approach them the way you know best.
I mention that the most important was the thought process, not how I got there. Its: "What do you need?""What do I have", and knowing the tools I know, "How do I get there."
If I suggest -Turn a background copy into BW and blend it with a bg copy. dont just follow my steps, or others, blindly.
Turn the image to BW the best way you can. Its not easy. Never use desaturate. There are several ways. I like using Channel Mixer. And I never follow any combination to get a good image, I rather play around with the bars until I see something I like. If you are still having much trouble, just use the channel with best contrast, its usually blue or green.
Colorize the image.
Do you know how to add (enhance) color to an image?
Do you know how to add color to a Black and White image?
Do you know the basics of color theory?
If you cant answer these questions, then you better go buy yourself a tutorial, maybe a $40 book.
If you do, then apply that knowledge to your image.
There are several hundred ways to do this. On my first example I used Color Balance Adjustments Layers. On my "yelling" image I did it another way. you can also used a slightly desaturated image, set it to blend in color mode, and just paint right over the image (It will preserve luminance), then use a mask to clean up any mess you have done. There are many more ways out there.
Polish it up:
With this I mean a COMPLETE understanding of Levels, Curves, Brightness/Contrast, Color Balance, Hue/Saturation, etc.
But not only that, you have to know how to use them in layers and how to use them with masks.
My God! If you get a dark image, please dont ask me how to lighten it up! You should know how to already. And if you dont, which is perfectly fine and acceptable, ask but dont ask me to tell you everything about PS, something that needs a book not a thread.
I know this kind of sounds like I am being to mean, it is my not intention. But I just keep seeing people wanting to follow specific steps. Its not the way you go about creating images. Kent certainly seems to understand this. Obiously Laura (freelancer54) understands this, csspringer, and many others. Dragan said it himself, Al Ward, author of PS Art of Photo Manipulation, teaches this as well. You see, knowing the technique is knowing the tools and the key moves. Maybe we still need to add or take a few key moves to best represent dragans style, but thats beside the point.
-Daniel
Not really. The process is surprisingly simple as performed in freelancers posted file--at least to me, and I am no expert at photoshop, and I only have PSE2 available for my retouching. That's not to say the result is easy to produce. For instance, I know how to squeeze out different colors of oil paint onto a tin plate and dip my brush into the paint and paint strokes on a canvas, so the process of painting isn't difficult for me, but I will never produce works of art.
Turn off all the layers, click on the Background layer, and then click on the visibility of the next layer up. Look at the blend mode of the next layer, and then look at the thumbnail of the layer to see what's in it. If you can't see very clearly because of the thumbnail's small size, alt+click on the layer to turn off the visibility of all the other layers, and your view of the image will change to a view of that layer.
If it's an adjustment layer, click on the thumbnail and look at the settings of the adjustment that was made. Also, notice whether there is a layer mask, which will limit what parts of the image are effected.
Then, click on the next layer up, notice what it does to the image by toggling it's visibility on and off and then examine the layer in detail as described above.
Do you know how layers work? Do you know what the common blend modes like Screen, Multiply, and Overlay are used to do? Do you know what an adjustment layer is? Do you know how layer masks work? Do you know how layers "grouped" together work? If you don't, then you need to crawl before you can walk. Read these forums and try simple techniques first, and eventually you will learn the language and methods of Photoshop.
Open a layer? I'm not sure what that means. A layer is either visible or it's invisible. Check the Help section of your version of Photoshop for details. If the instruction in question is something like "open a new Hue/Sat adjustment layer", click on Layer> New Adjustment Layer> Hue/Sat. I suggest getting a book by Scott Kelby, who will lead you step by step through different techniques, which will help you do basic things like that.
If I'm following you, usually someone will say something like, "make a Curves adjustment and lighten the image to taste". What they are telling you is to lighten your image with Curves, but how much is based on what is pleasing to your eye. No one can determine that but yourself.
In the end, you may have to accept that some things may be beyond your reach.
yirmon
Senior Member
I'm afraid i'm going to have to join everyone in this little "challenge". I think this guy's work is absolutely stunning, and the reason his technique looks so good is because the image he starts with is brilliant... great subject with great lighting. I've just been messing about with a picture i took a while ago of my gran in the back garden. The lighting doesn't help this picture at all, but i thought i'd see what you all think. I actually feel slightly bad at posting such a terrible picture of my gran!
If anyone wants the details i'll glady explain...
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Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
If anyone wants the details i'll glady explain...
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Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
yirmon
Senior Member
Just to add... if you want to see the full version, go here:
http://john.stuwee.org/various/DSCF2618_copy_2_web?full=1
Cheers,
yirmon
Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
http://john.stuwee.org/various/DSCF2618_copy_2_web?full=1
Cheers,
yirmon
--I'm afraid i'm going to have to join everyone in this little
"challenge". I think this guy's work is absolutely stunning, and
the reason his technique looks so good is because the image he
starts with is brilliant... great subject with great lighting. I've
just been messing about with a picture i took a while ago of my
gran in the back garden. The lighting doesn't help this picture at
all, but i thought i'd see what you all think. I actually feel
slightly bad at posting such a terrible picture of my gran!
If anyone wants the details i'll glady explain...
--
Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
Bill M
Senior Member
I think you have a grasp of the technique involved, but I think you went too far. If you pasted your new version over the old version and reduced the opacity to the neighborhood of 50 percent, you would have a more pleasing result. Like you say, professional lighting is what makes our new saint so good at this style. So after you did the 50 percent thing, play around with lighting in Photoshop, brighten the eyes, and then artsy up the background. Nice work.
Bill
Bill
I'm afraid i'm going to have to join everyone in this little
"challenge". I think this guy's work is absolutely stunning, and
the reason his technique looks so good is because the image he
starts with is brilliant... great subject with great lighting. I've
just been messing about with a picture i took a while ago of my
gran in the back garden. The lighting doesn't help this picture at
all, but i thought i'd see what you all think. I actually feel
slightly bad at posting such a terrible picture of my gran!
If anyone wants the details i'll glady explain...
--
Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
MarkmyShots
Forum Enthusiast
Danny, first you should know that we all really appreciated your tips and your steps. You can't get upset at people for asking for clarification. When someone asks, "how did you darken", you shouldn't jump to conclusions that they dont know how to darken....When following steps i understand that you should understand the process (no the steps), but darkening an image is easy and can be done a billion ways. Some are more destructive that anothers...afterall, darkening with levels is different then darkening with brightness or contrast, but they all will darken the image...I dont think that someone asking you how you darkened something is that unreasonable......i understand someone should FOLLOW steps..that can get you in a bad habit, but if you dont know how to do something at first, it isnt a bad idea to have steps to learn off of in the future....
not all of us understand "color theory". afterall, you dont have to know shutter/aperture theory to take good pictures...it helps, but it isnt a requirement...sometimes people dont have the talent to just "know" how to mix colors...sometimes its taught through practice practice practice...the only way to do that is to have a complicated process given in step by step tutorial so they can practive....
I for one could not follow your process....and I understand photoshop pretty decently....i did the best i could and got some neat effects, but i really wanted to make sure i was following your process exactly, so i could know if i was getting the same effect the hard way or the easy way...thats all..
anyway...again...thanks for the effort...i know you put alot of time into explaining and i thank you for that..
not all of us understand "color theory". afterall, you dont have to know shutter/aperture theory to take good pictures...it helps, but it isnt a requirement...sometimes people dont have the talent to just "know" how to mix colors...sometimes its taught through practice practice practice...the only way to do that is to have a complicated process given in step by step tutorial so they can practive....
I for one could not follow your process....and I understand photoshop pretty decently....i did the best i could and got some neat effects, but i really wanted to make sure i was following your process exactly, so i could know if i was getting the same effect the hard way or the easy way...thats all..
anyway...again...thanks for the effort...i know you put alot of time into explaining and i thank you for that..
yirmon
Senior Member
Hey, thanks for the advice Bill. I had a quick go at pasting the original over the old version. I also lightened the eyes slightly, but was concentrating more on the skin tone and overall effect. The first one is at 25% opacity, and the second is at 50%. Here you go.
Cheers,
yirmon
Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
Cheers,
yirmon
--I'm afraid i'm going to have to join everyone in this little
"challenge". I think this guy's work is absolutely stunning, and
the reason his technique looks so good is because the image he
starts with is brilliant... great subject with great lighting. I've
just been messing about with a picture i took a while ago of my
gran in the back garden. The lighting doesn't help this picture at
all, but i thought i'd see what you all think. I actually feel
slightly bad at posting such a terrible picture of my gran!
If anyone wants the details i'll glady explain...
--
Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
Cheers,
yirmon
http://john.stuwee.org
http://john.stuwee.org/photography
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