tcp1000 might be right in his/her line of thinking. I somehow ignored the fact that their first payment bounced - there must've been a reason for that, and there's still a chance it was a legitimate one. It's a tough call to make - you either don't do it and just hope you can intercept your camera on it's way (which will be very hard to do granted it's probably in Russia by now), or you take a chance and grab this last straw hoping you have an honest person on the other end. You can always close the account you give “him” once everything is said and done (regardless of the outcome) to avoid any future problems with it (forged checks, unauthorized access, etc.)
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Victim of Fraud ..OT
- Thread starter MicheleP
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GeorgeL
Senior Member
WTG Michele,
Glad you stopped it in time.
geo
Glad you stopped it in time.
geo
plantynut
Leading Member
Michele I was hoping when I checked back to see good news. I am so sorry the camera is gone. You have a very understanding hubby. No one needs this stress especially with your mom being ill and not to mention your own problems. I know it can't make you feel any better but I am very sad for you.
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Negative287
Guest
Never Ship outside of the US and always specify that there will be a one day delay between payment and shipping... Make sure to note also that because Ebay doesn't handle the scam artists effectively you have to handle business this way!
'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
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'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
safe to have the wire transfer done into my mother's and my joint account, but I decided against it.
I am now to afraid. Eating $700 is hard to swallow, but I know it could get worse.
Thanks for all the words of support and kindness.
Michele
http://lorcaphotography.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/michelep
I am now to afraid. Eating $700 is hard to swallow, but I know it could get worse.
Thanks for all the words of support and kindness.
Michele
http://lorcaphotography.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/michelep
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Negative287
Guest
Always pay through them using a Credit Card...
They want you to use a Bank account so that you have no means of charging back on them!
I got taken by a guy for Photoshop 6 and all he provided was tracking number which UPS verified never shipped and PayPal was satisfied with their investigation and let him have the money!
Well, I charged the transaction back via my credit card provider and got the money back... Paypal then approached me telling me how good their complaint resolution is and that next time I should use that!
After all was said and done I replied to Paypal exactly what I thought of their stupid service and told them how I thought the were 2-bit sleezy conment!
'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
They want you to use a Bank account so that you have no means of charging back on them!
I got taken by a guy for Photoshop 6 and all he provided was tracking number which UPS verified never shipped and PayPal was satisfied with their investigation and let him have the money!
Well, I charged the transaction back via my credit card provider and got the money back... Paypal then approached me telling me how good their complaint resolution is and that next time I should use that!
After all was said and done I replied to Paypal exactly what I thought of their stupid service and told them how I thought the were 2-bit sleezy conment!
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'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
Jamie154594
Veteran Member
Excellent! Thanks. We will hold you to that ;-)But I'm planning on winning the $20,000,000.00 (Canadian).
If it's any consolation........................... I'll outfit ya
both
Jamie
but I'd make a donation if it would help. She has provided valuable information for all ebay users. And I don't even have a Sony. 
Rich
Rich
Tortellino
Senior Member
jr6ooo4
Forum Enthusiast
4 to 6 days for an electronic transfer from checking to paypal! What is this? The 70's?
I have a Bank One account. I deposit a check and they are so nice to make a percentage of funds immediately available. But sometimes it is 20% somethimes near 50%. Not sure why...
In your case if the PayPal status was no longer "pending" then they should not have reversed it. I would take a wire transfer to a cashiers check. Well maybe not. It might still get back with your account number. How about to a Travelers check?
I have a seperate account with a minimal balance for all our online dealings.
Bank One did call us one night and ask about a $5.75 charge made in a different state. I thought it was a con to get our banking info. After a few minutes we realized they meant $575.00! But no personal info was asked. Just denied the charge, they sent a letter for us to sign and it took about 12 days to see the cash back in our account.
Too bad we can not sell here. Guess that would work against sponsors. But with a % going to Phil maybe it could go towards a tiny bit more bandwith. heheheee
Mikeeeee
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Mikeeee
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Honk if you love peace and quiet
I have a Bank One account. I deposit a check and they are so nice to make a percentage of funds immediately available. But sometimes it is 20% somethimes near 50%. Not sure why...
In your case if the PayPal status was no longer "pending" then they should not have reversed it. I would take a wire transfer to a cashiers check. Well maybe not. It might still get back with your account number. How about to a Travelers check?
I have a seperate account with a minimal balance for all our online dealings.
Bank One did call us one night and ask about a $5.75 charge made in a different state. I thought it was a con to get our banking info. After a few minutes we realized they meant $575.00! But no personal info was asked. Just denied the charge, they sent a letter for us to sign and it took about 12 days to see the cash back in our account.
Too bad we can not sell here. Guess that would work against sponsors. But with a % going to Phil maybe it could go towards a tiny bit more bandwith. heheheee
Mikeeeee
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Mikeeee
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Honk if you love peace and quiet
Loren. I appreciate the thought. Very nice of you.
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Michele
http://lorcaphotography.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/michelep
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Michele
http://lorcaphotography.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/michelep
Steffan Mamcillan
Senior Member
Well it does sound dodgy, I've just transferred all my PP based 'New Camera Kitty' into my real bank.
And there's me thinking that paypal was just another bank.
Thanks for the tip off.
And there's me thinking that paypal was just another bank.
Thanks for the tip off.
dave203735
New member
Ouch! Being someone 'ouside of the US', this attitude really cuts. There are plenty of countries that are prefectly reliable to sell to. I'd like to think that Australia, being my country of origin, is considered a reliable place.
Can't tell you how annoying it is, shopping on the internet, only to discover that some retailer does not ship anything outside the US.
The one day delay is prefectly fine. Hey, take 3 or 4 days before you ship!
dave
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Negative287
Guest
It's unfortunate but the tracking and package recovery once it leaves the US tends to be less reliable in a lot of countries... Figuring out which countries is tough and it makes one very open to a scam!
I've had people tell me they wanted to buy my stuff (even though I specified no orders outside of the country) and they wanted to know if I could next day it to them! I was like yeah right, take a hike!
'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
I've had people tell me they wanted to buy my stuff (even though I specified no orders outside of the country) and they wanted to know if I could next day it to them! I was like yeah right, take a hike!
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'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
Mel Lammers
Veteran Member
Not that it helps but ebay is the most fraud ridden item on the http://www .
PayPal somehow allowed my password out and some nice person tried to charge my PayPal accound for $2500. This was last spring. I was given 7 days to prevent PayPay from taking this from my checking account when my credit card company refused the transfer.
If I hadn't seen the e-mail, the money would have moved. I immediately closed PayPal. That worked for a while until I signed up for pbase and they ran the transaction through PayPal. Now I had an account again that I hadn't signed up for.
I can't close it because I won't validate it by sending my bank numbers and I won't do that again. Fortunately, it is frozen and no activity can take place because I won't validate. But they won't close it unless I do. Strange company.
Good luck Michele
Mel
Digital Fan DSC F717, V1, Epson 960, PSE2, PSP8, PS CS, Noise Ninja 1.003 http://www.pbase.com/mslammers
PayPal somehow allowed my password out and some nice person tried to charge my PayPal accound for $2500. This was last spring. I was given 7 days to prevent PayPay from taking this from my checking account when my credit card company refused the transfer.
If I hadn't seen the e-mail, the money would have moved. I immediately closed PayPal. That worked for a while until I signed up for pbase and they ran the transaction through PayPal. Now I had an account again that I hadn't signed up for.
I can't close it because I won't validate it by sending my bank numbers and I won't do that again. Fortunately, it is frozen and no activity can take place because I won't validate. But they won't close it unless I do. Strange company.
Good luck Michele
Mel
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Digital Fan DSC F717, V1, Epson 960, PSE2, PSP8, PS CS, Noise Ninja 1.003 http://www.pbase.com/mslammers
Mel Lammers
Veteran Member
Another way fraud takes place is when you sell something, they send a cashiers check. YOu put it in the bank and the bank accepts it and deposits it in your account. You think you are fine. You ship the article. The buyer then cancels the cashiers check and your bank reduces your checking account by that amount saying that the cashiers check did not clear. That may be 7-12 days after you deposited. YOu are out shipping, the item, and maybe some charges from your helpful (not) bank.
Trust no company or overseas buyer.
Mel
Digital Fan DSC F717, V1, Epson 960, PSE2, PSP8, PS CS, Noise Ninja 1.003 http://www.pbase.com/mslammers
Trust no company or overseas buyer.
Mel
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Digital Fan DSC F717, V1, Epson 960, PSE2, PSP8, PS CS, Noise Ninja 1.003 http://www.pbase.com/mslammers
Paypal is not the only one that can yank money back. There was a scam a while back with fake cashiers checks (ok, I am sure there are many going on but there was one in particular involving Mac laptops on Ebay).
The thing was, the cashier check would clear the bank after a few days (ie. they would tell you the check cleared and your funds were available) and then several days later they would remove the funds when the check turned out to be counterfeit.
And apparently they have this right....
The thing was, the cashier check would clear the bank after a few days (ie. they would tell you the check cleared and your funds were available) and then several days later they would remove the funds when the check turned out to be counterfeit.
And apparently they have this right....
eshropshire
Senior Member
Michele this happened to several people last year who sold their D60s and recieved a bad payment through PayPal. If memory serves on person was like you and took the money out before PayPal could reverse. They did some research and found that since it was a PayPal error, they were not liable to return the funds to PayPal.
Remember PayPal is a bank. If they mess up it is their fault not your fault. They should have verified the funds before you were given the funds. If you pulled the money out I don't think you are obligated to return the money.
Ed
Ed
http://www.cbrycelea.com/photos/Index.html Old Pictures
Remember PayPal is a bank. If they mess up it is their fault not your fault. They should have verified the funds before you were given the funds. If you pulled the money out I don't think you are obligated to return the money.
Ed
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Ed
http://www.cbrycelea.com/photos/Index.html Old Pictures
hfos
Well-known member
When it comes to eBay, I only do business with people with a very good feedback rating. They're usually very reliable, and don't want to mess up their reputation as a good eBayer by f* ing you over. You could put a warning in your auction description.
Peter Berressem
Forum Pro
I'm from "overseas", i.e. Germany, and was asked to ship to US on some of my recent ebay auctions. Of course I did! Doesn't matter on which side of the pond you live....
PayPal is not common here in EC - we do most money transfers from (very safe) bank accounts by using SWIFT codes (IBAN+BIC) at low cost. Once the money is transferred it can't be drawn back. No external person has access to my bank account (except the tax-office..;-(
So it was a good lesson learned about PP, I'm feeling with you. Asking too:
"Michele- if it is secure to do so, can you post your PayPal info so that I can send you a donation? Otherwise you can email to me:" [email protected]
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Regards,
Peter B.
PayPal is not common here in EC - we do most money transfers from (very safe) bank accounts by using SWIFT codes (IBAN+BIC) at low cost. Once the money is transferred it can't be drawn back. No external person has access to my bank account (except the tax-office..;-(
So it was a good lesson learned about PP, I'm feeling with you. Asking too:
"Michele- if it is secure to do so, can you post your PayPal info so that I can send you a donation? Otherwise you can email to me:" [email protected]
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Regards,
Peter B.
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