what faults does every 300d owner hve.

[montana183004]

i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be addressed

so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve these problems. such as the two i have addressed.

 

[caterpillar]

1. I can't see the top dials in the dark or dim light. I often use/change from Av, Tv, or M often. This is due to the difficult lighting conditions I like to take. Many shots are not "book" exposures and require customized and personal adjustments.

2. I sometimes leave the WB somewhere else and somtimes get blue pictures of people because I can't see it in the viewfinder.

3. i sometimes leave the ISO in 800 or 1600 because I can't see it in the viewfinder. it's ISO 1600 is usable and can be printed at 4x6 with nobody being the wiser. It's ISO 800 can be cleaned with a PS action or neatimage.

4. it makes me buy lenses and adds to its cost. but it made me take shots I could never do with the basic lens.

5. children gather around me all the time to see the shots I have just taken. I can't take succeeding shots immediately!

6. The LCD display can deceive you that the exposure is tad on, when actually it isn't.

7. The LCD can deceive you to thinking that the shot is tack sharp in focus, when actually it may not (especially with the 50mm f1.8 mkII at f1.8-2.2).

8. the battery indicator goes half-empty in about 150-200 shots after full charge then use. But you really never know if it will be empty with 100-200 or 300 shots to go, or with just 10 more shots.

9. Half pressing the shutter delays the flusing of the picture to CF. Shooting 3-4 shots and a long pause may make you think the 300D is saving to CF. But if you are half pressing, this is delayed.

10. it takes correct flash exposures 98% time. I can't understand why I can't get the same underexposure of other people. Something must be wrong with my camera.

i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.

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• Caterpillar

'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'

 

[badbri]

you will solve your problems by going to the library and getting a book about SLR photography, or by going back to the g5.

i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.

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brian

 

[wilfredmrand]

This is a dSLR for the avid photographer (in my case, I use i professionally). If you'd rather have the freedom of point-and-shoot, he on-board lens and processor meet your needs, and are happy with the results of in-camera processing, then the G5 or other 5MP point and shoot cameras are excellent solutions.

I think the two cameras (G, 300D) are priced accordingly. A G5 works out of the box for a low price.....a properly set up 300D will cost twice its street price once you've acquired the additional gear (lenses, 550EX, etc) that brings out its best results. It's not a camera designed for casual use.

The 'fault' many perceive is with expectations, not the equipment. My $.02.

i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.

 

[oldtimer]

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[montana183004]

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as caterpiller wrote..
he is correct..
i will not go back to g5
to much noise and orange skin tones.
the one question that no one has anwsered
is WHY IS THE AUTO MODE> > USELESS> >

 

[- Bill -]

It isn't right to say that there are faults that EVERYONE has. There might be a few defective units out there ... as with any model and brand ... but that is it.

My daughter just bought a digital camera. She wanted a camera that she can just take out of the box and take pictures. She bought a P&S, not the 300D. She gets great results, as I do with my ooD.

 

[s4iscool]

I just acknowledge that there is a learning cuve, but this camera forces you to become a better photographer if you understand what you are holding.

 

[ChrisKrueger]

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as caterpiller wrote..
he is correct..
i will not go back to g5
to much noise and orange skin tones.
the one question that no one has anwsered
is WHY IS THE AUTO MODE> > USELESS> >

I only took a few shots in auto mode before switching permanently to P/Av/Tv/M, but I didn't notice any overexposure. Do you get the same thing in P mode?

I recommend giving up on auto mode and using P mode in its place. You will get control over whether the flash fires or not, the ISO, the focus point (use the center for more accurate AF), and exposure compensation.

It's possible something is wrong with your camera, but I'd recommend trying P mode without the flash in good light and see if it overexposes then.

If you are only getting overexposure with the flash, are you taking pictures from very close range? If you fill the frame with your subject at 18mm, the flash will sometimes overexpose the picture. That's an extreme case, though.

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[pint_of_guinness]

If there are any faults, they are mine not the camera's. I am still learning but absolutely love this camera and the possibilities I have with it.

 

[Dan191933]

"All you do is point the camera and press the shutter button. Everything is automatic so it is easy to photograph any subject. With seven AF points to focus the subject, anyone can just point and shoot." Page 38 canon instruction manual. My camera and a bunch more on this forum do not work as advertised. Why are so many people defending them by saying just use Program AE? Like a toaster that doesn't pop up automaticly, Yea it works fine if you stand there and pop it up manually when you think the toast is just right. I am starting to understand what I am holding and It is not a great or even above average camera. First and only other digital camera I had was a Sony Mavica, looking back at the pictures just last night and noticed that the flash worked just as good on that (now antique) camera.

I just acknowledge that there is a learning cuve, but this camera
forces you to become a better photographer if you understand what
you are holding.

 

[jeffshoaf]

The faults this owner has are:

o I want too many expensive "L" lenses

o I don't have enough time to take as many pictures as I'd like

o I don't get up early enough

o I need to loose some weight and get more exercise

Oh! You mean what faults do I have with the camera! Well, I'd like to have a spot meter... I haven't had any exposure or WB problems since I started shooting RAW.

 

[Peter Aczel]

I have no problems. Is something wrong with me?

But earnestly: my only problem is that this is not a 10D. Why: because the focusing and metering modes are hiding behind different modes (AI servo etc). I can live with it.

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[jeffshoaf]

"All you do is point the camera and press the shutter button.
Everything is automatic so it is easy to photograph any subject.
With seven AF points to focus the subject, anyone can just point
and shoot." Page 38 canon instruction manual. My camera and a
bunch more on this forum do not work as advertised. Why are so
many people defending them by saying just use Program AE? Like a
toaster that doesn't pop up automaticly, Yea it works fine if you
stand there and pop it up manually when you think the toast is just
right. I am starting to understand what I am holding and It is not
a great or even above average camera. First and only other digital
camera I had was a Sony Mavica, looking back at the pictures just
last night and noticed that the flash worked just as good on that
(now antique) camera.

The manual says it's easy to photograph any subject, but it doesn't say you'll get a good photgraph... Just kidding!

I think Canon is mis-marketing this camera to a certain degree. They're advertising it as a point-and-shoot camera with interchangeable lens instead of an SLR with some p&S capabilities. I'm not sure it's a very good p&s "snapshot" camera since it only really starts to shine once you move off the "Basic" pre-programmed modes.

This suits me fine, since I really didn't want a p&s and I don't want to take snapshots. I don't think I've put the camera on one of the program modes since I first took it out of the box! I wanted a digital SLR, but I couldn't bring myself to pay $1500 for the 10D. I accept 300D's weak points so that I can get it's strong points. My complaints about it are the lack of a spot meter and the inability to manually select the focus mode, but I can live with those lacks and I actually enjoy finding ways to work around them.

But that's me, and I understand where you're coming from - like I mentioned earlier, I thing Canon is mis-marketing the camera.

 

[ChrisKrueger]

"All you do is point the camera and press the shutter button.
Everything is automatic so it is easy to photograph any subject.
With seven AF points to focus the subject, anyone can just point
and shoot." Page 38 canon instruction manual. My camera and a
bunch more on this forum do not work as advertised. Why are so
many people defending them by saying just use Program AE? Like a
toaster that doesn't pop up automaticly, Yea it works fine if you
stand there and pop it up manually when you think the toast is just
right. I am starting to understand what I am holding and It is not
a great or even above average camera. First and only other digital
camera I had was a Sony Mavica, looking back at the pictures just
last night and noticed that the flash worked just as good on that
(now antique) camera.

So you think that you'll get perfect photos by just buying a DSLR and putting it in auto mode? Auto mode makes its best guess. Sometimes it's wrong.

All cameras with fully automatic modes occasionally mess up a picture. Does the 300D mess up in auto modes more than other cameras? I don't know, I haven't used auto mode since my Fuji 1400, and I only used it then because there were no other shooting modes available.

Why would you buy a 300D if you were only going to shoot auto mode, anyway? That's like buying an SUV and then driving it around on the highway all the time. Oh, wait... :/

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[Niku Toivola]

Is it one that can take properly exposed pictures that are riddled with noise, sharpening artifacts and lack of detail when operated by a someone who has never handled a camera before? Or is it one that can take outstanding pictures with little or no noise and artifacts and lots and lots of detail when operated by a photographer who knows what he's doing?

What's great for you might not be so great for someone else, and vice versa. Use a tool that suits your needs.

Niku

I am starting to understand what I am holding and It is not
a great or even above average camera.

 

[Jim Coffey #162382]

My $0.02. I never shoot in auto so it's not a big problem. But the camera fails the "tourist" test... namely if I hand the camera to a stranger and ask them to take my picture it's anyone's guess if it's going to be properly exposed or not. It's a crying shame that the green box auto mode is not reliable.

This becomes a problem for me when I want to hand the camera to my wife, but after losing all my pictures on a vacation I habitually carry two cameras anyway. My wife uses the P&S fuji S5000 which takes really nice pics on auto mode.

It's a bit surprising that the 300D has this problem because Canon is obviously smart enough to create decent metering for their P&S cameras. They just screwed up on the Rebel green box and they will probably never admit it.

It also points to poor quality control. If they claim in the manual that auto mode should work then they should have tested the camera with a bunch of amateaurs and made sure that it takes photos which are pleasing to them. The advanced user is going to stay in the creative modes anyway.

Having worked with the Japanese culture my guess is that they will never admit that there is a problem. They may "fix" it in another camera but don't hold your breath for a 300D firmware upgrade - that would be losing face.

Bottom Line:

Auto mode is unpredictable and delivers good results only about 70% of the time.

Flash exposure is just flat out wrong, but the +2/3 FEC hac seems to have fixed it for me.

The lack of noise at high ISO is wonderful!!!

In manual, Tv, Av, and even P modes I can take some awesome pictures. I shot lots of Christmas present opening pics in crummy variable light and most of them are very good - I just set the shutter at 1/50 and let the camera do it's thing - snap, snap, snap - 90% wonderful shots.

 

[Phil Knott]

Just maybe the answer lies in your subject heading 'what faults does every 300d owner have'. Is it possible the 'real' fault lies with us and NOT the camera? Sure it's not perfect but do we spend too much time (when we are not staring at our navels) looking for 'faults' instead of getting out there and creating the kind of great pictures this camera (with all its faults) is capable of?

Just a thought.

Happy New Year

Phil.

 

[Dan191933]

when the toast pops up automaticly at a desired setting and it was marketed and advertised to do just that, that would be a great toaster. I expect the DR to do what it was advertised to do. It would be great if it would do what the instruction manual suggests it can do, I don't think it does. My opinion, sorry I disagree with you, but I also don't think we are helping the future of digital cameras by working around problems instead of aggressively complaining to canon. Could canon be thinking, rush it to market and let the consumer figure it out, maybe we'll fix it next time.

What's great for you might not be so great for someone else, and
vice versa. Use a tool that suits your needs.

Niku

I am starting to understand what I am holding and It is not
a great or even above average camera.

 

[Niku Toivola]

Well, for what it's worth, I've been very pleased with my 300D (had it since early October). I bought it because I wanted a camera that has the best possible image quality and the responsiveness of an SLR (without the price of a 10D) and gives me control of the photographic settings instead of forcing me into a point-and-shoot mindset. It means I have to think more in order to get good pictures and when I forget to think, the results often show it, but that's just how I want it to be. From where I'm standing, the 300D has no "issues" or "problems" that we should be complaining to Canon about. Yes, it lacks a couple of things I would like it to have, but I accept that because that's exactly why it's cheaper than the 10D.

Sorry, but if you don't like having to think in order to get a good shot, then a (D)SLR probably is not the camera for you.

Niku

What's great for you might not be so great for someone else, and
vice versa. Use a tool that suits your needs.

Niku

I am starting to understand what I am holding and It is not
a great or even above average camera.