Well, after trying to find it for a few hours, I've read in the manual (WOW)!

[T3]

wow, I hope this will not happen. Not that I use much of the
alternative ink cartridge..but I like to have that option
available. I wonder about Sigma, since I read that they never
bought the right from Canon to make Canon mount lenses...that's why
they have to rechip their lenses when ever Canon decide to change
something. I wonder how come Canon did not managed to stop Sigma
from creating lenses with their mount?

Sigma reverse-engineers their Canon-mount lenses. In other words, they buy Canon lenses, take them apart, find out how they work, and make their own lenses to operate similarly. It's like buying a cake and trying to figure out the ingredients, instead of getting the recipe to begin with.

As for the "Canon army", this discussion really isn't about Canon. This is about how the market works in general and what determines prices. This model can be found in just about every product and every industry. Nikon, Pentax, et all follow the same principles, because it preserves their capacity to stay in business. No company can afford to give away features that they know has marketable value-- even if that feature costs them nothing.

 

[Melih Ozbek]

Perhaps the part "taking into account lighting extremes and subject position through the active focusing point." has been underestimated..

One of the post somebody copied the words that i saw, it says

"metering linkable to focusing points".. So canon actually mentioned this metering feature (or bug, whatever)..

regards,

mel

"35-zone Evaluative Metering ensures accurate, consistent exposure,
taking into account lighting extremes and subject position through
the active focusing point. Whether the light is bright and sunny
or darkly atmospheric,
whether it comes from the front or the back, exposure is detailed,
natural
and flattering."

Well, I remember a brochure, or an add about DR saying something
like "focus point connected metering"... I think this was no secret
to anybody. We can discuss that if it is what it should be, but it
is advertised, and known.

I don't know if there is any feature that Canon claims that DR has,
but then after you bought it you realize it doesn't have? I
remember there are some discussion about FEC but i am not sure. If
you buy things hoping that the manufacturer will make some changes
on it later, then you'll be disappointed. Firmware upgrades are
usually for fixing bugs. And apparently things you think as 'bug'
is not 'bug' for Canon.

I have a P&S camera (a casio qv3000) and I am very pleased with it,
user selectable 3 metering modes, users selectable focusing modes
which DR lacks. I bought DR for the features that my casio lacks
(which i am sure we already know). By the way, for me, as an
amateur, a $1000 DSLR is equivalent to a $300 P&S camera in its
class, perhaps that's why it is called 'entry level dslr'.

Sometimes you can make wrong decisions, if you don't like the
camera, or you don't "excuse a little crippling here and there"
then return it or sell it on ebay and go with another one that
meets your expectations. If an $300 P&S is ok for you, then buy one.

regards,

Mel

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[José Luís Malaquias]

Again, I agree with you, but that is not what they teach you in Economics 101, whey they excel the virtues of market capitalism. Under the simplified model they give you, it would be impossible for a company to sell a product that is not the best product for that production cost, because if they did, another "market rabbit" would sell that better product for the same cost, and drive the "inefficient" company out of its business. Instead, we see that quite the opposite happens, as you pointed out. The company cripples its own product to survive in the market. Guess the system is not as efficient in real life as it is purported to be.

wow, I hope this will not happen. Not that I use much of the
alternative ink cartridge..but I like to have that option
available. I wonder about Sigma, since I read that they never
bought the right from Canon to make Canon mount lenses...that's why
they have to rechip their lenses when ever Canon decide to change
something. I wonder how come Canon did not managed to stop Sigma
from creating lenses with their mount?

Sigma reverse-engineers their Canon-mount lenses. In other words,
they buy Canon lenses, take them apart, find out how they work, and
make their own lenses to operate similarly. It's like buying a
cake and trying to figure out the ingredients, instead of getting
the recipe to begin with.

As for the "Canon army", this discussion really isn't about Canon.
This is about how the market works in general and what determines
prices. This model can be found in just about every product and
every industry. Nikon, Pentax, et all follow the same principles,
because it preserves their capacity to stay in business. No
company can afford to give away features that they know has
marketable value-- even if that feature costs them nothing.

 

[pbleic]

You speak like an academic, with little experience in the real world of business. The real world doesn't work the way Economics 101 works, anymore than History is as simple as you learn in History 101.

Paul

wow, I hope this will not happen. Not that I use much of the
alternative ink cartridge..but I like to have that option
available. I wonder about Sigma, since I read that they never
bought the right from Canon to make Canon mount lenses...that's why
they have to rechip their lenses when ever Canon decide to change
something. I wonder how come Canon did not managed to stop Sigma
from creating lenses with their mount?

Sigma reverse-engineers their Canon-mount lenses. In other words,
they buy Canon lenses, take them apart, find out how they work, and
make their own lenses to operate similarly. It's like buying a
cake and trying to figure out the ingredients, instead of getting
the recipe to begin with.

As for the "Canon army", this discussion really isn't about Canon.
This is about how the market works in general and what determines
prices. This model can be found in just about every product and
every industry. Nikon, Pentax, et all follow the same principles,
because it preserves their capacity to stay in business. No
company can afford to give away features that they know has
marketable value-- even if that feature costs them nothing.

--
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[José Luís Malaquias]

I am an academic, and proud of it.

The simplistic models you teach in 101 have to be the basis for everything that comes afterwards, or the whole building will crumble.

That's why physics is so solid. We teach F=m . a in Physics 101, and that still holds in your Ph.D.

In economics 101, they sell you this amazing system (which in theory is truly admirable) for running the economy, but then market capitalists go out of their way not to let the market work, because that would force companies into relentless competition.

Something is very wrong when a company increases its profits by crippling its own products. You have to agree that it is not the best use of resources, and that's what economy is supposed to be all about. Yes, it is a simplification, but you need simplifications in order not to lose your course. Otherwise, the system that was supposed to give rise to better products is giving rise to worse products.

Paul

wow, I hope this will not happen. Not that I use much of the
alternative ink cartridge..but I like to have that option
available. I wonder about Sigma, since I read that they never
bought the right from Canon to make Canon mount lenses...that's why
they have to rechip their lenses when ever Canon decide to change
something. I wonder how come Canon did not managed to stop Sigma
from creating lenses with their mount?

Sigma reverse-engineers their Canon-mount lenses. In other words,
they buy Canon lenses, take them apart, find out how they work, and
make their own lenses to operate similarly. It's like buying a
cake and trying to figure out the ingredients, instead of getting
the recipe to begin with.

As for the "Canon army", this discussion really isn't about Canon.
This is about how the market works in general and what determines
prices. This model can be found in just about every product and
every industry. Nikon, Pentax, et all follow the same principles,
because it preserves their capacity to stay in business. No
company can afford to give away features that they know has
marketable value-- even if that feature costs them nothing.

--
Paul
------------------------------------------------
Pbase supporter
Photographs at: http://www.pbase.com/pbleic/photos
Digital Rebel, Tamron 29-75 f/2.8, 17-55
Olympus E-10,TCON-14B, WCON, FL 40
--------------------------------------------------
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[Neil Walker]

I guess this would be for Daniella, but also for anyone else thinking along the same lines.

First off, I completely agree with you: Canon made a very weird choice in what to cripple. They could have made a "feature-reduced" D10 with a set of features that made more sense than what they put in the 300D - some really whiz-bang neato things and others that make you say "what?!?". No argument from me there - the 300D feature set could have been planned alot better and still kept smaller to avoid hurting their higher-end camera. And just like you I wish they'd thought about it more.

But all the people talking about economics raise very valid points. And lead me to ask you, what is the point of all the complaining and posting? Do you think it will make a difference? Even complaining to Canon, even if all the members of this forum hit them with a mass-mailing complaint campaign and jumped up and down outside Canon USA headquarters, it wouldn't matter. You know why? Because we all bought 300D's already! And because they're selling so fast that stores everywhere can't keep the damn things on the shelves! And because sales of EF lenses have probably doubled at the same time! Canon just don't care, and while that sucks for me and you, if I was running the show I wouldn't care either. I'd be too busy checking out the value of my stock options.

Until Nikon, Olympus, Minolta or someone else comes out with a DSLR that can match Canon in the price point, we're stuck. When that finally happens though (a year maybe?), THEN we will start to see some competition. Until then I just don't see anything that could possibly make Canon give a hoot. Life sucks.

Tell you what. If everyone gets together and chips in say $50 each, we could probably come up with a pretty hefty bribe. Track down one of the Canon firmware developers and get him to write us a new version.

Neil

 

[Neil Walker]

Until Nikon, Olympus, Minolta or someone else comes out with a DSLR
that can match Canon in the price point, we're stuck. When that
finally happens though (a year maybe?), THEN we will start to see
some competition. Until then I just don't see anything that could
possibly make Canon give a hoot. Life sucks.

.. and one further point: when the above happens, if we're unlucky Canon will just come out with a new camera. If we're lucky they'll just release new firmware for the 300D (and sell newer untis with it already installed and a re-printed manual).

 

[Steve Norton190199]

Are you saying that when you select the center point you are only getting partial metering? I use center point all the time and file viewer says I'm getting evaluative all the time.
Please respond
Steve

I guess this would be for Daniella, but also for anyone else
thinking along the same lines.

First off, I completely agree with you: Canon made a very weird
choice in what to cripple. They could have made a "feature-reduced"
D10 with a set of features that made more sense than what they put
in the 300D - some really whiz-bang neato things and others that
make you say "what?!?". No argument from me there - the 300D
feature set could have been planned alot better and still kept
smaller to avoid hurting their higher-end camera. And just like you
I wish they'd thought about it more.

But all the people talking about economics raise very valid points.
And lead me to ask you, what is the point of all the complaining
and posting? Do you think it will make a difference? Even
complaining to Canon, even if all the members of this forum hit
them with a mass-mailing complaint campaign and jumped up and down
outside Canon USA headquarters, it wouldn't matter. You know why?
Because we all bought 300D's already! And because they're selling
so fast that stores everywhere can't keep the damn things on the
shelves! And because sales of EF lenses have probably doubled at
the same time! Canon just don't care, and while that sucks for me
and you, if I was running the show I wouldn't care either. I'd be
too busy checking out the value of my stock options.

Until Nikon, Olympus, Minolta or someone else comes out with a DSLR
that can match Canon in the price point, we're stuck. When that
finally happens though (a year maybe?), THEN we will start to see
some competition. Until then I just don't see anything that could
possibly make Canon give a hoot. Life sucks.

Tell you what. If everyone gets together and chips in say $50 each,
we could probably come up with a pretty hefty bribe. Track down one
of the Canon firmware developers and get him to write us a new
version.

Neil

 

[Daniella68313]

well lets say...it is a fact that the 300D is crippled...it is a fact that the meetering is linked to the focusing point and it is also a fact that it will never be evaluative if you are using the center focusing point.

you follow me so far? it is a well-known fact that the AI focus is unpredictable..there is enough witness of this in that forum..

I will keep repeating this until the camera behavior changes..they my story will change.

You are not stating facts. You are stating your opinion and the
world as YOU experience it. Others, working with YOUR camera, would
have a different experience. You are repeating your opinion over
and over and over. It suggests that you don't think people will
listen to you.

Paul

no, i'm sure it doesn't, because if it did you'd eventually get to
the level of betterness where you would stop your whining.

but that's where you make the mistake...I do not whine..I just
simply state the real facts...I simply report here how my camera is
behaving. so yeah...I will continue to report that...get used to
it.

If there is ever a change in behavior, I will let you know

Beside..if nobody report problems we will not see any fix. We have
already seen people finding work around a lot of these
limitations...FEC remote change...DOF preview button, and now the
mono jack!

if nobody complain and report problems, nothign of this would come
out.

And at

the rate you've been going on in here for the past few weeks, we
don't see any sign of that.

Does

it change the camera's features?

it might if enough people complain.

no. another delusional response.

Really, Daniella, with all the photographic talent you do have,
it's a shame to see you carrying on this way.

why? because I simply state the problems that I have with the
camera? now there is nothing wrong with doing so

state your fact.
once, twice, three times even.
go beyond that and you're just making a public nuisance and a
laughing stock out of yourself.

I will write this over and over again, to whom ever wants to read
it. now if someone don,t want to read any negative comments..all
they have to do is simply skip my posts.

see that's just an example of how childish and selfish you are
being because given that you are a talented photographer, people
will want to see what you have to say, but probably not when they
realise it's the same old drivel ad nauseum.

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[Daniella68313]

that coudl be very much the explanation for it. but then how can you expect people to understand the exposure of the 300d based on the film cameras? if the labs always correct the mistake in exposure...

People keep bringing the film reble as comparison...I am afraid that it is not the full story.

I don't know your history, but if you were shooting film, these
exposure errors could have been happening with the rebel and you
didn't know it because the lab was fixing everything in the prints.
Since digital doesn't have the lattitude that film (negative, not
slide) does, could it be that you weren't exposing properly with
the film camera?

I know I've had to examine my metering technique since moving to
digital.

I just wish there was a REAL evaluative mode. now is that too much to ask?

quite the opposite..I was using a EOS film rebel before...never had
a problem with its exposure. It was consistant and reliable. it
if was linked to the focusing point, it was evaluative enough to
consider the rest of the scene as well. I have many photos with
the film rebel. One of the reason we went ahead and got the
digital rebel.

this was taken with the film rebel:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1076636

Now I don't have exposure problem with the 300d all the time..but I
do get a good share of overexposed photos and underexposed
photos..only because I use the central focusing point alone.

with the film rebel, we always used the central focusing point. I
don't remember any problem like that.

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[Daniella68313]

José Luís Malaquias wrote:
Thank God, it would be too

expensive (especially in terms of dissatisfied customers) for Canon
to replace all their lenses mounting system to a patented one,
otherwise they'd do it.

but they do change it because some Sigma lenses have to be rechiped...do they have some latitude to change things just enough to still make their lenses work, but not the Sigma work. but it is scary a bit to invest money on lenses when you are not 100% sure if they will be desuet in the future.

I am really surprised to learn that Canon does not won patent for the Canon mount. interesting.

wow, I hope this will not happen. Not that I use much of the

alternative ink cartridge..but I like to have that option
available. I wonder about Sigma, since I read that they never
bought the right from Canon to make Canon mount lenses...that's why
they have to rechip their lenses when ever Canon decide to change
something. I wonder how come Canon did not managed to stop Sigma
from creating lenses with their mount?

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[Daniella68313]

Sigma reverse-engineers their Canon-mount lenses. In other words,
they buy Canon lenses, take them apart, find out how they work, and
make their own lenses to operate similarly. It's like buying a
cake and trying to figure out the ingredients, instead of getting
the recipe to begin with.

yes and I am wondering how come they can do this without having Canon sue them?

As for the "Canon army", this discussion really isn't about Canon.
This is about how the market works in general and what determines
prices. This model can be found in just about every product and
every industry. Nikon, Pentax, et all follow the same principles,
because it preserves their capacity to stay in business. No
company can afford to give away features that they know has
marketable value-- even if that feature costs them nothing.

I was under the impression that this was targeting Canon company especialy..why my comment on the Canon army.

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[José Luís Malaquias]

Yes, that's the name of the game.

The Canon mount doesn't have anything especially innovative to make it patentable. So, their legal department probably told them that's not the best way to go. Instead, their engineering department tries to get them to change just enough to put a banana peel in Sigma's path without compromising their own compatibility.

Sigma knows this, and they rechip your lens for free because they would be out of business if there was the least hint that their products wouldn't be forward compatible with future bodies. Canon, in turn, tries to play the uncertainty card by putting that stupid slip in the package "warning" you against accessories not made by Canon.

So, instead of fighting with the quality of their products, these companies are trying to play with people's fears. That's not the way Adam Smith envisioned it.

expensive (especially in terms of dissatisfied customers) for Canon
to replace all their lenses mounting system to a patented one,
otherwise they'd do it.

but they do change it because some Sigma lenses have to be
rechiped...do they have some latitude to change things just enough
to still make their lenses work, but not the Sigma work. but it is
scary a bit to invest money on lenses when you are not 100% sure if
they will be desuet in the future.

I am really surprised to learn that Canon does not won patent for
the Canon mount. interesting.

wow, I hope this will not happen. Not that I use much of the

alternative ink cartridge..but I like to have that option
available. I wonder about Sigma, since I read that they never
bought the right from Canon to make Canon mount lenses...that's why
they have to rechip their lenses when ever Canon decide to change
something. I wonder how come Canon did not managed to stop Sigma
from creating lenses with their mount?

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http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

 

[Daniella68313]

Something is very wrong when a company increases its profits by
crippling its own products. You have to agree that it is not the
best use of resources, and that's what economy is supposed to be
all about. Yes, it is a simplification, but you need
simplifications in order not to lose your course. Otherwise, the
system that was supposed to give rise to better products is giving
rise to worse products.

I think that's because there is no other competition...Canon become its own competitor, thus the 300D vs 10D competition..they are doing something really wierd...going into competition with themselves. I think if there would be any other company coming up with a competitive product..you would see the crippling go away very fast. they just have the full hold of the market..without any competition and they can do what ever they want for now..and clearly taking advantage of it.

I think they were really too afraid that people will buy the 300d instead of the 10D or the 1D for professional work so they went to an extreme in crippling the 300D to make sure this will not happen. Not sure if I am on the right track with this though.

 

[Daniella68313]

you don't have a real evaluative when you use the central focusing point...try it. It is tooooo much weighter on the center...and is really not that much different from the partial meetering that I get with the EL button.

Maybe my camera is defective, but I think that's the way they all work. Anyway, the camera is at Canon for repair now...and I asked them to check that too.

 

[Chad Gladstone]

Lets all get a Daniella fund together so she can get a 10D. I really don't mind her "facts" and indispensable techical wisdom in small doses each day, but if she misspells meetering [sic] one more time...!

you follow me so far? it is a well-known fact that the AI focus is
unpredictable..there is enough witness of this in that forum..

I will keep repeating this until the camera behavior changes..they
my story will change.

You are not stating facts. You are stating your opinion and the
world as YOU experience it. Others, working with YOUR camera, would
have a different experience. You are repeating your opinion over
and over and over. It suggests that you don't think people will
listen to you.

Paul

no, i'm sure it doesn't, because if it did you'd eventually get to
the level of betterness where you would stop your whining.

but that's where you make the mistake...I do not whine..I just
simply state the real facts...I simply report here how my camera is
behaving. so yeah...I will continue to report that...get used to
it.

If there is ever a change in behavior, I will let you know

Beside..if nobody report problems we will not see any fix. We have
already seen people finding work around a lot of these
limitations...FEC remote change...DOF preview button, and now the
mono jack!

if nobody complain and report problems, nothign of this would come
out.

And at

the rate you've been going on in here for the past few weeks, we
don't see any sign of that.

Does

it change the camera's features?

it might if enough people complain.

no. another delusional response.

Really, Daniella, with all the photographic talent you do have,
it's a shame to see you carrying on this way.

why? because I simply state the problems that I have with the
camera? now there is nothing wrong with doing so

state your fact.
once, twice, three times even.
go beyond that and you're just making a public nuisance and a
laughing stock out of yourself.

I will write this over and over again, to whom ever wants to read
it. now if someone don,t want to read any negative comments..all
they have to do is simply skip my posts.

see that's just an example of how childish and selfish you are
being because given that you are a talented photographer, people
will want to see what you have to say, but probably not when they
realise it's the same old drivel ad nauseum.

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[Daniella68313]

yes but evaluative should still be evaluative...it is not evaluative any longer if it is too weigther toward the focusing point.

This is easy to see if you do a simple test...if you use the 7 point focus and check out the exposure you get when the camera pick up many focusing point and then try it again with the center focusing point. enjoy

One of the post somebody copied the words that i saw, it says
"metering linkable to focusing points".. So canon actually
mentioned this metering feature (or bug, whatever)..

regards,

mel

"35-zone Evaluative Metering ensures accurate, consistent exposure,
taking into account lighting extremes and subject position through
the active focusing point. Whether the light is bright and sunny
or darkly atmospheric,
whether it comes from the front or the back, exposure is detailed,
natural
and flattering."

Well, I remember a brochure, or an add about DR saying something
like "focus point connected metering"... I think this was no secret
to anybody. We can discuss that if it is what it should be, but it
is advertised, and known.

I don't know if there is any feature that Canon claims that DR has,
but then after you bought it you realize it doesn't have? I
remember there are some discussion about FEC but i am not sure. If
you buy things hoping that the manufacturer will make some changes
on it later, then you'll be disappointed. Firmware upgrades are
usually for fixing bugs. And apparently things you think as 'bug'
is not 'bug' for Canon.

I have a P&S camera (a casio qv3000) and I am very pleased with it,
user selectable 3 metering modes, users selectable focusing modes
which DR lacks. I bought DR for the features that my casio lacks
(which i am sure we already know). By the way, for me, as an
amateur, a $1000 DSLR is equivalent to a $300 P&S camera in its
class, perhaps that's why it is called 'entry level dslr'.

Sometimes you can make wrong decisions, if you don't like the
camera, or you don't "excuse a little crippling here and there"
then return it or sell it on ebay and go with another one that
meets your expectations. If an $300 P&S is ok for you, then buy one.

regards,

Mel

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[Jeremiahd]

Are you saying that when you select the center point you are only
getting partial metering? I use center point all the time and file
viewer says I'm getting evaluative all the time.
Please respond
Steve

No that is not correct. Using the center focus point is not truely Partial metering. There is a difference but it is minimal. Easy to test. Point your camera at a small light source like a light bulb. Half press and use just the center focus point. Take note of the metering suggestions. Now do the same thing only use the Partial Metering button. There is a difference.

The point is that the difference is marginal and appears to be heavily tied to the focus point, more so then if you let the camera choose focus and it picks two different focus points.

 

[Daniella68313]

to get them to change just enough to put a banana peel in Sigma's
path without compromising their own compatibility.

hehe..I like the banana peel expression..very appropriate ))

Sigma knows this, and they rechip your lens for free because they
would be out of business if there was the least hint that their
products wouldn't be forward compatible with future bodies. Canon,
in turn, tries to play the uncertainty card by putting that stupid
slip in the package "warning" you against accessories not made by
Canon.

hmm I have not read this yet. is it in the manual? I only got the 300D with kit lens and only bought the Sigma APO. does this warning come with the lens only or does it come with the kit?

So, instead of fighting with the quality of their products, these
companies are trying to play with people's fears. That's not the
way Adam Smith envisioned it.

yes I guess....

expensive (especially in terms of dissatisfied customers) for Canon
to replace all their lenses mounting system to a patented one,
otherwise they'd do it.

but they do change it because some Sigma lenses have to be
rechiped...do they have some latitude to change things just enough
to still make their lenses work, but not the Sigma work. but it is
scary a bit to invest money on lenses when you are not 100% sure if
they will be desuet in the future.

I am really surprised to learn that Canon does not won patent for
the Canon mount. interesting.

wow, I hope this will not happen. Not that I use much of the

alternative ink cartridge..but I like to have that option
available. I wonder about Sigma, since I read that they never
bought the right from Canon to make Canon mount lenses...that's why
they have to rechip their lenses when ever Canon decide to change
something. I wonder how come Canon did not managed to stop Sigma
from creating lenses with their mount?

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[Daniella68313]

now that's a good idea

then you wil all get rid of me for good...isn't that worth it?

I have a paypal account...just let me know when you're ready.

Lets all get a Daniella fund together so she can get a 10D. I
really don't mind her "facts" and indispensable techical wisdom in
small doses each day, but if she misspells meetering [sic] one more
time...!

oh yeah...maybe addd a fiew more $$$ buk for English lessons?