Pronouncing "Zuiko" correctly

Now that I know how the word "zuiko" should be properly pronounced I feel like my lenses became suddenly sharper, brighter and more contrasty.
That's what happens. If you get the name of a lens wrong, it's self esteem falls, the elements get all saggy and slump down and it's simply can't perform at its best. That's why Canon lenses, which don't have a proper name at all, and are just called 'Canon lens', are no good at all. Nikkors aren't in a much better situation, because everyone in British influenced parts of the world giggles at them.

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Ride easy, William.
Bob
 
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This whole discussion reminds me of arguments about "Porsh" vs "Porsha" for pronouncing Porsche. While the latter is the official pronunciation, I think you will get some eye rolls in the USA and people will think you are pretentious if you pronounce it with the latter (unless you were a native German speaker or company rep).
Well I have heard other Americans use the pronunciation "Porsch" which I hate hearing.
Yes, 'Porsch' sounds awfully wrong!
No kidding. Porsche is Porsche

It's like those fools (in the US at least) who say bimmer and not Beamer for BMW.
Maybe interesting: In the land of BMW, nobody calls a BMW 'Beamer'! :-D
Plenty of mis-pronunciation in Australia where Porsche is Porsch, Mercedes is Mer-see-dees instead of what many say as Mer-say-dees.
A bit OT in this Zuiko thread, but I hope Mr. Moderator can live with that.

Yes, I've heard that Mer-say-dees very often. Not really what it should sound like. Mainly that 's' in the middle should sound like a 'ts'.

BMW is always BMW though.
Well, in German, we have male as well as female BMW. :-)

In English it is rather easy, everything is 'the', while in German it is either male, female or neuter. It is not 'the man, the woman, the child', but 'der Mann (man), die Frau (woman), das Kind (child).

Most cars are male, der Porsche, der Mercedes, der BMW, but if people talk about 'die' BMW ('die' for everything female, pronounced 'dee'), it is about a BMW bike. All bikes are female, die Honda, die Kawasaki, die Suzuki, ... :-)

A bit funny in that context: As a young child, I used to say 'die' Porsche, female. Was in the days of the 356. Something about that round-shaped car obviously looked female to me. :-D



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_356

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_356



I solved that by buying Subaru, also pronounced Pleiades.
Very interesting, looked it up, learnt something new, thanks! https://www.subaru.com.au/about/the-pleiades-constellation
Regards..... Guy
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Liewenberger
 
They don’t call it a BMW in Germany
And what do you think they call it??
I suspect he's referring to the name of the 'W' character being 'Veh' and not 'Doubleyew', and then confusing 'Veh' with the English 'Vee', which would be 'Fau'.

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Ride easy, William.
Bob
 
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"I solved that by buying Subaru, also pronounced Pleiades."
Ha ha, and there I was always thinking it meant the Southern Cross but they messed up the graphics. Thanks for putting me right.
Yes we are pretty hopeless in Oz. We also call New Zlnd, New Zeelaand. And what about the famous Viennese cake pronounced by Austrians as Sah-er Torteh but we pronounce it Sacher Tort.
 
Now that I know how the word "zuiko" should be properly pronounced I feel like my lenses became suddenly sharper, brighter and more contrasty.
That's what happens. If you get the name of a lens wrong, it's self esteem falls, the elements get all saggy and slump down and it's simply can't perform at its best. That's why Canon lenses, which don't have a proper name at all, and are just called 'Canon lens', are no good at all. Nikkors aren't in a much better situation, because everyone in British influenced parts of the world giggles at them.
Knickers to your Nikkors! :)
 
A bit OT in this Zuiko thread, but I hope Mr. Moderator can live with that.
He had better or we will mispronounce his name. :-)
Yes, I've heard that Mer-say-dees very often. Not really what it should sound like. Mainly that 's' in the middle should sound like a 'ts'.
I guess it's because the car was named after Mercédès Jellinek. Maybe that's the right way to pronounce the original girl's name(?) My old 1951 Mercedes Benz 170S was made by Daimler-Benz and not by any company named Mercedes.
BMW is always BMW though.
Most cars are male, der Porsche, der Mercedes, der BMW, but if people talk about 'die' BMW ('die' for everything female, pronounced 'dee'), it is about a BMW bike. All bikes are female, die Honda, die Kawasaki, die Suzuki, ... :-)
I never could comprehend the sometimes strange use of male/female/neuter genders in Euro languages. But even in English we call ships "she" and other odd things like that have default genders.

Regards..... Guy
 
"I solved that by buying Subaru, also pronounced Pleiades."
Ha ha, and there I was always thinking it meant the Southern Cross but they messed up the graphics. Thanks for putting me right.
Yes, Subaru is Japanese for Pleiades and in English it is also called the Seven Sisters. The Japanese see the group as six stars hence the six stars in their emblem. I think originally it had something to do with the six companies that joined to make Fuji Heavy Industries, now named Subaru Corporation. https://www.subaru.com.au/about/the-pleiades-constellation
Yes we are pretty hopeless in Oz. We also call New Zlnd, New Zeelaand. And what about the famous Viennese cake pronounced by Austrians as Sah-er Torteh but we pronounce it Sacher Tort.
Yes, things are weird here, even the bathwater turns the opposite way down the plughole. So I'm told, never tested it. In fact, never had a bath. :-)

Regards..... Guy
 
They don’t call it a BMW in Germany
And what do you think they call it??
I suspect he's referring to the name of the 'W' character being 'Veh' and not 'Doubleyew', and then confusing 'Veh' with the English 'Vee', which would be 'Fau'.
Hmm, but how can he think a German would pronounce this 'W' the English way and say 'double you'?? We sure pronounce it the German way, like 'Vé', with the e pronounced like that French é with that accent, like in the French 'Santé'.

He could just use this site and listen how BMW is pronounced in German: "Bé -Am-Vé" https://forvo.com/languages/de/

RL
 
They don’t call it a BMW in Germany
And what do you think they call it??
I suspect he's referring to the name of the 'W' character being 'Veh' and not 'Doubleyew', and then confusing 'Veh' with the English 'Vee', which would be 'Fau'.
Hmm, but how can he think a German would pronounce this 'W' the English way and say 'double you'??
He comes from the USA. It's not true of all Americans, but quite a few don't have much appreciation of the rest of the world apart from thinking it's a bit like the local neighbourhood (which quite likely thy've never been out of) but they talk a bit funny. You know that famous scene about McDonalds in Pulp Fiction?
 
A bit OT in this Zuiko thread, but I hope Mr. Moderator can live with that.
He had better or we will mispronounce his name. :-)
Yes, I've heard that Mer-say-dees very often. Not really what it should sound like. Mainly that 's' in the middle should sound like a 'ts'.
I guess it's because the car was named after Mercédès Jellinek. Maybe that's the right way to pronounce the original girl's name(?) My old 1951 Mercedes Benz 170S was made by Daimler-Benz and not by any company named Mercedes.
Living constantly upside down seems to have a very positive effect on the blood circulation in the brain! Nice to see you know more about the name Mercedes than most of the Germans driving one! :-)

Daimler, yes, even today you can hear people very often talk about driving a Daimler instead of a Mercedes. And if you ask those that build these cars, a majority will probably say they work 'beim Daimler' (at Daimler's).
BMW is always BMW though.
Most cars are male, der Porsche, der Mercedes, der BMW, but if people talk about 'die' BMW ('die' for everything female, pronounced 'dee'), it is about a BMW bike. All bikes are female, die Honda, die Kawasaki, die Suzuki, ... :-)
I never could comprehend the sometimes strange use of male/female/neuter genders in Euro languages. But even in English we call ships "she" and other odd things like that have default genders.
The icing on the cake with that gender thing seems to be our local dialect here, that even has three gender forms of "Zwei" ( "two"). Zwää men, zwuu women, zwing children! (or the other way around, must admit I never really understood it completely). :-D
 
Yes, 'Porsch' sounds awfully wrong!
This is actually news to be, but on a totally different level. I always thought people used Porsh as a nickname to Porsche, like how I hear people use Merce (Mers?) for Mercedes.
 
Yes, 'Porsch' sounds awfully wrong!
This is actually news to be, but on a totally different level. I always thought people used Porsh as a nickname to Porsche, like how I hear people use Merce (Mers?) for Mercedes.
A German friend of mine moved to the Southern US. Bought a nice old house in the local style, but it was in need of some care and attention. He bought a load of white wood paint and hired a local, telling him to paint the outside of the house and the porch. After a few hours the fellow came in to report it was done. "All finished. Everything painted including the car. And it ain't a porch, it's a Ferrari".

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Ride easy, William.
Bob
 
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About 10 or more years ago on Four Thirds forum there was a thread discussing this topic. a lot of people jumped in to give their opinion, and the consensus concluded that the correct pronunciation of Zuiko was zoo-WEEK-co (three syllables - accent on the second). I've been pronouncing it that way ever since, in front of Olympus sales reps etc. and nobody has corrected me.

Now I just started watching this new video and the Asian model corrects the photographer on how to pronounce the name. Watch at about 1:10 into it.


Now it's two syllables and the accent is on the 1st? Is this correct? What say you?
It's actually four syallables -- zu - i - ko - u, and the Japanese don't really accent their words the same way English speakers do; theoretically, there should be equal emphasis on all four syllables, but it doesn't necessarily sound that way to us.

Saori in the video is Japanese. She pronounces it correctly at 1:19 but then she chops off the final "u" at 1:26, maybe because she thought it would be easier for Jimmy to pronounce it that way. Anyway, if you want the correct Japanese pronunciation, it's at 1:19.

If you say it as two syllables, zwee - koh, putting a slight accent on the first syllable and stretching out the second, that should get you pretty close.

Julie
As a deaf person I havnt a clue on how you pronounce it.

Zwee- koh

In English how would you say this?

Are they silent letters?

Scott
 
Now I just started watching this new video and the Asian model corrects the photographer on how to pronounce the name. Watch at about 1:10 into it.


Now it's two syllables and the accent is on the 1st? Is this correct? What say you?
She says "Zoo-ee-ko" twice, with a slight accent on the "zoo" and a stronger accent on the "ko".

It's a bit subtle because accenting in Japanese is somewhat flexible, depending on the intention of the speaker.

I've spent a lot of time in Japan, saying words constructed that way and having them said to me.
Her pronunciation is a bit questionable, because her "ko" sounds a bit short, while it should be long.

The problem with Japanese words transliterated into the Latin alphabet — like "ZUIKO" — is that the original Kanji semantics get lost, which sometimes makes it difficult to tell, even for a native speaker, whether a sound should be short or long.

KO could for example mean child/子, e.g. as in MICHIKO / 美智子, a common female first name, and should then be short.

KO could also mean light/光, as e.g. in ZUIKO / 瑞光, a word meaning "auspicious / divine light", and chosen by Olympus as a brand name for their lenses, and the sound shoud be long.

Here's an example of the "official" pronunciation of ZUIKO, the "KO" being long:


The difference in length might be subtle, and is a bit similar to the first syllable in "commit" being short, while it's long in "call".
 
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