my take on the new MBP for photographers

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Hi folks this is my take:-

1) The new MBP 13 is physically smaller and lighter which is good for us travelling photographers who are always on the move, especially good for those travelling on planes. I often leave my 15 MBPr behind as too heavy and physically large. Remember when carrying your MBP you are also likely to get a case which increases bulk, e.g thinktank case

2) Yes I will miss the SD card slot, but nowadays pros are likely to also be using XQD cards, compact flash and in the Canon case CFast, so they will be carrying readers for those cards anyway that will need an adapter to connect these to the new MBP. If that saves me space for one extra cable well I will take the space saving on the laptop.

3) For those tethering, the MBP 15 (2014) I get about 4 hrs of continuous tethering. Hope I would get more juice from the MBP13. They say 10 hrs of juice so hope to get at least 6 hrs of tethering time.

4) I have an 500GB thunderbolt 2 portable Lacie - they are totally awesome, and saves minutes transferring GB's of data at the end of a job. But I now need to buy a thunderbolt 2-3 adapter. No big problem, but of course $$$. Or you could wait for Thunderbolt 3 portable external drives become available than take advantage of 40Gbps - which will happen eventually - probably more useful for videographers.

5) some people may find they have lost connection when tethering and this is due to the lack of power from the usb ports. My current MBP I do find that one port seems to have more power than others, as the drop is connection doesn't happen - using tethertools 15ft cable . these new thunderbolt 3 ports should have more than enough power for tethering and hopefully be able to use longer tethering cables without a booster - that would be awesome. I did use the tethertool usb3 booster which was really bad and the cover fell apart before even using it.

6) 25% more colours - should be better for photographers that do colour critical work. I shoot artwork and no matter what even after calibration cannot get the same colours than my Eizo CG 248 - but that's expected. But it should help this 25% increase in gamut. The brightness and contrast doesn't really matter, in fact after calibration you need to turn down the brightness. Maybe only useful if working in bright conditions, but you should be using a shade cover anyway.

6) CPU power and RAM - I believe it is more than enough to run Lightroom cc. I think the current issue is that LR doesn't utilize the full power of these latest computers. But I think the faster SSD does help to transfer files.

7) Touch bar - sounds useful, maybe more so for the 13 inch. I hardly use my f keys so if it can do other stuff and take away clutter on the main screen, all the better to increase real estate and working efficiency.

8) I have been using my MBPr 15 2014 (bought a refurb) and absolutely no problems at all, besides some minor issues. This laptop has had no problems at all and that is mac for you. Before mac I was 20yrs + with windows. I find with Windows I do more fluffing around, usually that's my fault by tinkering around and downloading crap. The surface book do look good but heavier and costs more and I don't need the tablet.

9) I think on the whole and based on paper, this new MBP is awesome for working photographers. There are some additional cables to buy until the thunderbolt 3 devices come out, but its a small price to pay for the portability and power in a small package.

Please do add any points for pros and cons I have missed.

Maybe a pointless thread, but who knows may help some photographers here.

My two cents
 
I now need to buy a thunderbolt 2-3 adapter.
Unless I've missed something, TB3 is backwards compatible with TB2, so just plug your TB2 device into the TB3 port and away you go - at TB2 speeds, of course. Just like USB3 and USB2
 
The price made my eyes water. I think they have lost the plot. Removing USB completely was ridiculous in my eyes but I could have forgiven it. It's really all about the price.

I'm in the market for a new computer. It was always going to be the MacBook Pro. I've put off the purchase a month because I knew it was coming. I'm not paying THAT much though.

Back to the drawing board. Never thought I'd say this, but I might end up going with a Surface Book or Surface Pro 4 :(
 
The price made my eyes water. I think they have lost the plot. Removing USB completely was ridiculous in my eyes but I could have forgiven it. It's really all about the price.

I'm in the market for a new computer. It was always going to be the MacBook Pro. I've put off the purchase a month because I knew it was coming. I'm not paying THAT much though.

Back to the drawing board. Never thought I'd say this, but I might end up going with a Surface Book or Surface Pro 4 :(
Well, there is always a refurbished unit. I hadn't planned on getting one soon but with this announcement I may be forced to buy before there are none left. And I sure don't want the new versions.
 
I now need to buy a thunderbolt 2-3 adapter.
Unless I've missed something, TB3 is backwards compatible with TB2, so just plug your TB2 device into the TB3 port and away you go - at TB2 speeds, of course. Just like USB3 and USB2
Thunderbolt 3 uses a USB-C connector. Thunderbolt 1/2 use a MiniDisplayPort one. So even ignoring differences in speeds and co-resident protocols, you'd need an adapter to handle the difference in physical port types.
 
The price made my eyes water. I think they have lost the plot. Removing USB completely was ridiculous in my eyes but I could have forgiven it. It's really all about the price.

I'm in the market for a new computer. It was always going to be the MacBook Pro. I've put off the purchase a month because I knew it was coming. I'm not paying THAT much though.

Back to the drawing board. Never thought I'd say this, but I might end up going with a Surface Book or Surface Pro 4 :(
Well, there is always a refurbished unit. I hadn't planned on getting one soon but with this announcement I may be forced to buy before there are none left. And I sure don't want the new versions.
I was looking today at the previous MBP 13inch refurb units, they are still quite expensive, so I would guess a refurb MBP 13 when available, is unlikely there will be much of a price saving soon. But as you mentioned, if you can wait then I am sure there will be some good offers.
 
The price made my eyes water. I think they have lost the plot. Removing USB completely was ridiculous in my eyes but I could have forgiven it. It's really all about the price.
I don't believe that the prices are much different than they were for the last couple of refreshes. Not for the mid-line and top-of-the-line stock models, anyway.

I'm not a fan of how the cheapest models have only two Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C ports, and no Touch Bar. Put these together with the cheapest Mac Mini, and the cheapest 21.5" iMac, and it seems that Apple is getting rather fond of "price point" machines.
 
I now need to buy a thunderbolt 2-3 adapter.
Unless I've missed something, TB3 is backwards compatible with TB2, so just plug your TB2 device into the TB3 port and away you go - at TB2 speeds, of course. Just like USB3 and USB2
Thunderbolt 3 uses a USB-C connector. Thunderbolt 1/2 use a MiniDisplayPort one. So even ignoring differences in speeds and co-resident protocols, you'd need an adapter to handle the difference in physical port types.
Oh yes. Silly me.
 
it seems that Apple is getting rather fond of "price point" machines.
A bit of that, but I think they are also trying to cater for the legions of people (as evidenced on this forum) who just don't like change.
My bad. Looks like we have
  • 13" and 15" rMBPs with the 2015 design. Those have the familiar ports and SDXC slot, but of course no TB3/USB-C ports or Touch Bar. Having these as options on the online Apple Store is good news for people who want the older designs since it means that there is still a way to easily customize RAM and Flash capacities.
  • 13" and 15" rMBPs with the 2016 design and a full set of TB3/USB-C ports.
  • A 13" rMBP with the 2016 design, two TB3/USB-C ports, and no Touch Bar. This is what I was thinking of as a "price point" design. How much did it really save to remove half of the TB3/USB-C ports? Enough to offset the loss of convenience?
I don't see the 2012-era 13" MBP anywhere. That was the one with a DVD burner, a hard drive bay, and user-serviceable RAM slots. And so Apple has completed the transition to using flash storage for all internal laptop storage.
 
it seems that Apple is getting rather fond of "price point" machines.
A bit of that, but I think they are also trying to cater for the legions of people (as evidenced on this forum) who just don't like change.
My bad. Looks like we have
  • 13" and 15" rMBPs with the 2015 design. Those have the familiar ports and SDXC slot, but of course no TB3/USB-C ports or Touch Bar. Having these as options on the online Apple Store is good news for people who want the older designs since it means that there is still a way to easily customize RAM and Flash capacities.
  • 13" and 15" rMBPs with the 2016 design and a full set of TB3/USB-C ports.
  • A 13" rMBP with the 2016 design, two TB3/USB-C ports, and no Touch Bar. This is what I was thinking of as a "price point" design. How much did it really save to remove half of the TB3/USB-C ports? Enough to offset the loss of convenience?
Removing the Touch bar, including fingerprint reader and custom T1 chip certainly saves some money. Going to the 15-W CPUs (instead of the 29-W CPUs), which includes a downgrade of the iGPU from the Iris 550 to the Iris 530 and speed downgrade of the CPU from 2.9 GHz to 2 GHz, might save something too (though Wikipedia lists both CPUs as costing $304, this might be a case where the lower TDP raises the $/performance price).

But removing the second pair of TB3 ports feels more like creating an incentive for people to upgrade to the more expensive model. Going to the lower-performance CPU seems like a similar move, a way to make the more expensive model more attractive. It certainly isn't using the lower TDP to make a more compact device (be it because lower cooling loads would allow it or because a smaller battery can provide the same battery life).
 
4) I have an 500GB thunderbolt 2 portable Lacie - they are totally awesome, and saves minutes transferring GB's of data at the end of a job. But I now need to buy a thunderbolt 2-3 adapter. No big problem, but of course $$$. Or you could wait for Thunderbolt 3 portable external drives become available than take advantage of 40Gbps - which will happen eventually - probably more useful for videographers.
External storage won't need 40 GB/s for a while. Note that the internal SSD of the new MBPs maxes out at 3.1 GB/s. You would need seven of those in parallel (ie, RAID) to break the 20 GB/s TB2 speed barrier. The twelve-bay RAIDs (using 3.5" HDDs) stay even below 3 GB/s.

The TB3 speed will only be needed for (a) 5K displays, (b) external GPUs, the hardware needed for those, ie, TB to PCIe boxes, is currently still very expensive and they are not officially supported by Apple, and (c) TB chains with multiple devices that include either a) or b) or 4K displays.

Whether you get a TB3 to TB2 adaptor or new TB3 devices depends on how many TB2 devices you have (ie, determining how much it would cost to convert those into TB3 devices) and on how many new/additional TB3 devices you'd expect to get in the medium term.
 
You're mixing Gigabits and Gigabytes.

The PCIe flash is 3.1GB/s, TB3 is 40Gb/s. There is also a protocol overhead in thunderbolt which you won't have with RAM i/o, so that 40Gb/s probably works at at a theoretical 4GB/s max (or less).
 
I like the updated screen, it looked good in the demos. Touch Bar looks like something they added in one of those "It's been 500 days since we updated this, we need something more than a new CPU and faster SSD to sell it". It's a nice gimmick, but not something I'd use - the photoshop demo made it look uncomfortable with one hand on the touch bar and the other on the track pad. I recently used a touch screen/stylus system (Lenovo X1 Carbon) for editing a photo, just to see what the experience was like and I have to confess I'm hooked - nothing in the Mac lineup feels like it did. Why Apple reduced the speed two ports on the right side of the 13 inch MBP with that Touch Bar? That's an odd one. Probably not a show stopper for anyone...but I find it odd.

Pricing on these system is absurd and is the reason I won't be buying.
 
You're mixing Gigabits and Gigabytes.

The PCIe flash is 3.1GB/s, TB3 is 40Gb/s. There is also a protocol overhead in thunderbolt which you won't have with RAM i/o, so that 40Gb/s probably works at at a theoretical 4GB/s max (or less).
You are right. But external storage devices that are held back by a 20 Gbit/s connection are still few and far between and if they go beyond 20 Gbit/s, it is not by much.
 
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I like the updated screen, it looked good in the demos. Touch Bar looks like something they added in one of those "It's been 500 days since we updated this, we need something more than a new CPU and faster SSD to sell it". It's a nice gimmick, but not something I'd use - the photoshop demo made it look uncomfortable with one hand on the touch bar and the other on the track pad. I recently used a touch screen/stylus system (Lenovo X1 Carbon) for editing a photo, just to see what the experience was like and I have to confess I'm hooked - nothing in the Mac lineup feels like it did. Why Apple reduced the speed two ports on the right side of the 13 inch MBP with that Touch Bar? That's an odd one. Probably not a show stopper for anyone...but I find it odd.
There simply aren't enough PCIe lanes in the dual-core mobile Skylake processors. Given the need for internal use (SSD, WiFi), they ran out of PCIe lanes.
 
Hi folks this is my take:-....

9) I think on the whole and based on paper, this new MBP is awesome for working photographers. There are some additional cables to buy until the thunderbolt 3 devices come out, but its a small price to pay for the portability and power in a small package.
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I agree, especially after seeing one and trying it out at the Apple Store in NYC (just the 13" mode but WOW).
 

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