First off, that's more speculating but I will state I did buy the product for Mac; screaming deal at $49. I considered it a reasonable price to pay for a possible PS exit strategy.
Do examine the figures above and that I'm talking about the CC suite; 7 million customers!
I don't. Neither do you. I've engaged with this fellow on Luminous Landscape (a far better set of forums, not frequented by so many fact deniers we see here), he's a pretty sharp fellow. I don't think he needs to be reminded that IF he only uses LR and PS, he doesn't have to subscribe to the full CC option. But that's just me; I've actually read a fair amount of what he has to say over the years.
Wow, this is a tread that would have been interesting, but gone to hell in a hand basket. Way back when.. when I was a photographer, shooting sports and coming home with a CF card filled with no less than 350 images, a lot to cope with, I was shooting for an online sports magazine. They wanted about 50 shots of the event, for publication. First task was a PS batch action that converted from RAW to jpg, resized, sharpened, and added some degree of saturation and sharpening. Saved to a folder on an external drive. At the time, I had trial versions of Lightroom as well as Aperture. I opted for Lightroom to serve as nothing more than a slideshow to cull the 350+ images, down to the ~50, or less, for the publisher. Pretty expensive investment in Lr, for what it was being used for, to accomplish importing, culling. That was a time before Bridge being a bit more robust.
I can't answer that question Patsym. I can speculate as is so often the case in these forums but that's pointless! My point was aimed at Toermalijn's ideas for what Adobe should be doing in terms of subscription offerings and that Adobe is doing very, very well with their ideas how to run the company. If he's a shareholder, he can voice his opinion at the shareholder meeting; good luck with that! In the meantime, this isn't speculation; examine Adobe's stock performance since 2012:
Exactly.
That statement pretty much says it all.
We'll see end this year, next year what will happen then.I can't answer that question Patsym. I can speculate as is so often the case in these forums but that's pointless! My point was aimed at Toermalijn's ideas for what Adobe should be doing in terms of subscription offerings and that Adobe is doing very, very well with their ideas how to run the company. If he's a shareholder, he can voice his opinion at the shareholder meeting; good luck with that! In the meantime, this isn't speculation; examine Adobe's stock performance since 2012:
Toermalijn and other's may wish Adobe would adjust their subscription for their desires but this company has to answer to their shareholders and the above data appears they are doing a very good job at that! LR vs. Photoshop? Both are producing what appears to be record sales.
I'm sure we'll now hear from the group of DP Review fact deniers.
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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
If you say so.We'll see end this year, next year what will happen then.I can't answer that question Patsym. I can speculate as is so often the case in these forums but that's pointless! My point was aimed at Toermalijn's ideas for what Adobe should be doing in terms of subscription offerings and that Adobe is doing very, very well with their ideas how to run the company. If he's a shareholder, he can voice his opinion at the shareholder meeting; good luck with that! In the meantime, this isn't speculation; examine Adobe's stock performance since 2012:
Toermalijn and other's may wish Adobe would adjust their subscription for their desires but this company has to answer to their shareholders and the above data appears they are doing a very good job at that! LR vs. Photoshop? Both are producing what appears to be record sales.
I'm sure we'll now hear from the group of DP Review fact deniers.
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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
Yes we will. My text above still applies.
Got figures to back that up? What's it's market share compared to Adobes?
You got that data of 90% where?
You noticed? Can you provide actual values or this is your speculation based on (how many hours) counting said users?
It will be. But it will be useful to have actual facts to back this up, not hope, dreams and more speculation.
Neither am I. I'm simply pointing out Adobe IS keeping them happy IF the stock price is an indication. Those stock prices are factual; not a lick of speculation.
That's possible. And it's totally speculative.
Now that appears to be very factual. At least if we believe a fraction of the 7 million users reported last year.
You read that where? Is it also based on facts?
Have a look at this:If you say so.We'll see end this year, next year what will happen then.I can't answer that question Patsym. I can speculate as is so often the case in these forums but that's pointless! My point was aimed at Toermalijn's ideas for what Adobe should be doing in terms of subscription offerings and that Adobe is doing very, very well with their ideas how to run the company. If he's a shareholder, he can voice his opinion at the shareholder meeting; good luck with that! In the meantime, this isn't speculation; examine Adobe's stock performance since 2012:
Toermalijn and other's may wish Adobe would adjust their subscription for their desires but this company has to answer to their shareholders and the above data appears they are doing a very good job at that! LR vs. Photoshop? Both are producing what appears to be record sales.
I'm sure we'll now hear from the group of DP Review fact deniers.
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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
You expect half; 3.5 million users to switch due to one product that's been around now simply moving to Windows? Perhaps. I'm not holding my breath.
Yes we will. My text above still applies.
Got figures to back that up? What's it's market share compared to Adobes?
You got that data of 90% where?
My search suggests otherwise and suggests it's fallen:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-first-time-in-years-windows-7-falls-below-50
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
And that percentage accounts for how much of the photo market? The market Adobe software caters to?
Further, can you tell us of that so called 90%, what percentage of the total Window's OS can run the current Adobe Suite or the offerings from Affinity? Not all, that's for sure.
From Adobe: All 2015 Creative Cloud desktop apps have a minimum operating system requirement of Mac OS X 10.9 and Windows 7, or later.
You noticed? Can you provide actual values or this is your speculation based on (how many hours) counting said users?
It will be. But it will be useful to have actual facts to back this up, not hope, dreams and more speculation.
You may be exactly right. But you'll have to do some work proving it.
Neither am I. I'm simply pointing out Adobe IS keeping them happy IF the stock price is an indication. Those stock prices are factual; not a lick of speculation.
That's possible. And it's totally speculative.
Now that appears to be very factual. At least if we believe a fraction of the 7 million users reported last year.
You read that where? Is it also based on facts?
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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net
Shareholders are happy about profits. In order to have profit, you have to have a user base that will continue to use your product and add new users as well. In other words... happy customers.
Is that your point? Adobe has adopted the really stupid strategy of keeping shareholders happy but not users? Because eventually the unhappy users will cause a loss in revenue making the shareholders unhappy. I really doubt that's a strategy any company would adopt.
That's the same link and info I provided already....
It's not keeping some user happy while signing up 7 million users and upping the stock value in the process. Your point, as other's have pointed out, has little if any validity! Think about it for a second; how does the company, who sells a service (a subscription), keep it's stock prices high and up it's user base hugely IF the vast majority of users are not happy?
They can certainly do better. And LR isn't moving forward IMHO, or being handled as well as it was when certain people within Adobe were steering the LR ship in a forward direction.
You can believe that. You're absolutely entitled to your opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts however.
I never said that. I admitted I purchased Affinity as a possible PS exit strategy. I'm not close to jumping ship. There are many areas I'm not happy but they don't out weight (yet) the negatives. This is true for every consumer purchase, subscription or otherwise, I pay for.
That's a smart move, I'm doing the same.
Well lots is undefined. And it doesn't change the facts of how well Adobe has done with both the number of subscribers and the value of their stock as a result.
Use the free DNG converter, it should allow you to access the newer raw in the older product.
You have a newer version of LR than PS and that newer version supports the camera. But (big but) IF you use a newer feature in LR (say dehaze) that the older version of ACR doesn't support, it may not be accessible as an edit.
I wonder how many customers are happy using CC as opposed to using the standalone versions ?
Its appears to me the only people who are mostly rankled are the ones signed up for the subscription model regarded by some as another utility bill.
Oh dear me do you seriously think CC isn't being pirated , probably more so now.Based on Adobe's profits there are clearly more of me than there are of you.
I can't blame Adobe for going this route as their software has been hacked and pirated more than any company I know.
You don't say.
As do almost every other company who makes similar programmes. Finally I will tell you what rankles me about Adobe, there reluctance to tell the full facts. Andrew in a prior response lets us know that CC has7 million subscriptions.and I cannot dispute that, however what Adobe don't tell you is how many are still using standalone versions including the pirated ones.
Oh yeah. I forgot about DNG. I normally view and delete using DPP - Quick Check - Full Screen. I really like it. Then I would import a ton of files in LR or just work on my single hobby shots in PS. Thanks for the tip.
I have 6.5.1. I know I missing some features. I downloaded 3rd party dehaze plugin.
