Petition to rename "Canon SLR Talk" to...

[KevinDufff]

Care to guess what was wrong with em? LOL

I bet a few others had done the same.

Tried 3 10Ds (friends at local piccy club) I am sticking!

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[DavidP #28649]

I think Mishkin is quite capable of seeing (after the fact) if his image is in focus. And he's looking for an explanation, and a workaround.

As for those who post "chart tests", who can say? I've seen people actually look at a photo that was clearly misfocused and tell them that the image was fine.

I think the people who post those original images are simply wondering if that test is indicative of a problem or not. And they often have shot the wrong kind of test.

Some don't even understand why you shoot wide-open to look for a focus problem. They tell people to stop down to get better DOF. Huh?

To answer your question, I think most of them are truly looking for help.

Give me your honest opinion. Do you really believe most of the
threads you respond to concerning AF are truly looking for help, or
are they just whining? My point is I can't believe that people
really can't look at a photo and see if their subject is oof. And
if it is oof they can't figure out what to do about on their own.
I hope our grey matter hasn't diminished that much. Of course I am
always amazed at how some people fall for scam artist.

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[KevinDufff]

I am quite happy waiting till October for my 36MP CMOS Canon.

Oh!!! did i forget to tell you all? i saw it at a Canon show in Japan LOL

It's always something.

I don't believe that IS what we are getting.

I think we used to get a balanced forum (2 way learning and some
'is my camera stuffed' posts
Now the scales have been tipped heavily towards 'Is my camera stuffed'

and as already mentioned above

"some clueless dolt feels compelled to start them all over again"
just after they hit the second page.

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[DavidP #28649]

But I used to answer a lot of those. But people didn't like that. They thought I was hogging the threads, trying to act self-important. They said that they would've answered the threads, if I hadn't already.

So I say -- let them!

I do my best to answer what i can but i draw the line at searching
back through pages because they have been knocked back by
measurebation posts.
I am not saying they (measurebation posts) shouldn't exist, just
saying think first. Did you say this yesterday? did someone else
say this yesterday? or has it simply just been talked to death!

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[Doug Walker]

Discussions of AF are saturating this forum beyond the reality. Nobody has suggested that everyone stop talking about AF. It's only a select few that continue to spam this forum with post after post about this theory and that theory as to why AF isn't perfect. In addition, the example images given are examples of what NOT to focus on rather that examples of failing AF. Those few should instant message each other instead of boring the rest of us death with their incessant addiction to complaining about Af.

I don't have 20+ years of experience. I owned an AE1 in the early
1980's. Bought a Nikon 990 many years later after a 20 year layoff
from photography. Then I bought a D60 and shortly there after a 10D.

I don't consider myself a genius or a good photographer. I read,
shoot and practice a lot. What am I leading up to with all of this.
I don't need a forum, pro photographer or anyone else to tell me my
camera is not focusing properly. It is either focused on what I aim
it at or it isn't. I can figure this out for myself. If it isn't
giving me the results I expected it is going back.

I just don't know what I am missing with all of these posts. Take a
couple of photos if the tool isn't getting the job done send it
back. This isn't rocket science. You can figure this out for
yourself. I swear some people here are so consumed with this focus
issue I wonder when they take photos. I really have to wonder how
all of these concert photos etc were taken before we had IS, and
iso 800+. If your equipment is truly holding you back rent other
equipment and see if it is any better.

Like I said this isn't rocket science. If you bought a car,
stereo, tool or any other thing for that matter and it didn't
perform to your expectations what would you do. You would send it
back, you wouldn't spend countless hours in an internet forum going
on and on about it. If the next one didn't work you would switch
brands.

I have saved this rant as a text file. From now on when I just
can't take it anymore I will post this as my form of protest
against the stupidity of all of these AF post. People will say why
don't you just ignore AF posts. The reason is because I can't
stand whiners and people who can't think for themselves.

There, I said it. Now I feel better. Go ahead and flame me I will
be outside shooting beautiful nature shots with my great focusing
10D.

..."Equipment Measurebation Talk" forum?

While there are a smattering of quality posts, most on this forum
seem so preoccupied and insecure with their equipment that it's
nauseating!

Not an hour goes by without someone having to compare their gear to
Nikon or something else in an effort to make themselves feel
secure. This forum is rife with the
"Insecure-Measurbator-Professional-Ruler-and-Cat" (hereafter:
IMPRC) photographer.

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Doug Walker
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[KevinDufff]

can we start telling people to do a search for 10D problems? Every
post on Canon SLR forum has been about 10D problems, it seems. Can
we agree that maybe a year's worth is enough? Can we start telling
people to just get a better camera? or should I get a 10D just so I
may participate? Maybe I'll get a few for my kids.

My input: The 10D is a cheap camera. It is no built on a pro body.
It's not in the 1 series. If you buy it; know your not buying the
best. Expect less. If you don't like it send it back.

--
Jason

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[Pearl Rider]

You KNOW people complained about it.

Now they complain because the threads go unanswered?

Go figure.

Not at all. The complaint was then that you basically used this forum as your personal chat room with whatever subject you cared to dicuss. Now, you've "returned" but chose to stick to a subject you KNEW would get the most negative reaction. Basically, this is your "revenge". ;-)

 

[Mike Morbach]

IMHO if a person pays for an AF camera and they are not happy with the results they should return it. If it is too late to do that they should let their charge card company deal with it. I would not be looking for a work around. I would be looking for a tool that works. OTOH I will say that in a critical situation there must be strength in numbers. Playboy and National Geographic, both highly respected nature magazines :> ), use the best equipment and photographers and yet they shoot a gazillion photos for a five page spread. Maybe we can't expect more than we have and we do have to shoot a zillion shots to get a handful of keepers.

I guess I just can't get over the fact that people can't deal with this on their own.

As for those who post "chart tests", who can say? I've seen
people actually look at a photo that was clearly misfocused and
tell them that the image was fine.

I think the people who post those original images are simply
wondering if that test is indicative of a problem or not. And
they often have shot the wrong kind of test.

Some don't even understand why you shoot wide-open to look for a
focus problem. They tell people to stop down to get better DOF.
Huh?

To answer your question, I think most of them are truly looking for
help.

Give me your honest opinion. Do you really believe most of the
threads you respond to concerning AF are truly looking for help, or
are they just whining? My point is I can't believe that people
really can't look at a photo and see if their subject is oof. And
if it is oof they can't figure out what to do about on their own.
I hope our grey matter hasn't diminished that much. Of course I am
always amazed at how some people fall for scam artist.

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

--
Mike Morbach
I'm still learning
http://www.pbase.com/spike777

 

[Pearl Rider]

Pearl Rider:

How long have you watched and waited to make this personal attack.
"Are you THAT obsessed? Amazing!"

--
Jason

 

[DavidP #28649]

Maybe if they'd show us the other 5 gazillion photos, we could find out if they were cut for reasons of mis-focusing or not. Then maybe we'd feel better. LOL.

I think you're ignoring the fact that many high-tech items (and a digital SLR is one of them) will be owned by those with a strong technical/engineering/scientific background. And those types of people are predisposed to understanding/solving problems. Analysis is in their blood.

And I seriously doubt Mishkin could get his credit card company to issue a refund. Do you? On what basis? My old camera worked better than this one?

IMHO if a person pays for an AF camera and they are not happy with
the results they should return it. If it is too late to do that
they should let their charge card company deal with it. I would
not be looking for a work around. I would be looking for a tool
that works. OTOH I will say that in a critical situation there must
be strength in numbers. Playboy and National Geographic, both
highly respected nature magazines :> ), use the best equipment and
photographers and yet they shoot a gazillion photos for a five page
spread. Maybe we can't expect more than we have and we do have to
shoot a zillion shots to get a handful of keepers.

I guess I just can't get over the fact that people can't deal with
this on their own.

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Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

 

[Pearl Rider]

I think they all left when they were constantly being told what
they could and could not talk about.

I'll stick to AF issues - - at least I know it's on-topic. And
it won't deprive others of answering threads because I got there
first.

You missed his point, David. He said that if you SKIP all the AF issue threads, there IS no forum. This forum is largely made up of the AF ISSUE threads and you're the dominant figure in each of them. This is what got this thread started in the first place.

 

[Mike Morbach]

You are always here. You seem to know what you are talking about and you are polite. I think you should come up with an AF and an iso FAQ. Now get crackin' son.

There's a whole separate area for FAQ's, too. The moderators take
an active role in determining what threads get put there.

I can point out forums where relatively high-dollar electronic
equipment is hashed over just like cameras are here. Pointing out
the problems, discussing workarounds, etc.

The big difference is that they aren't nearly as well-known as DPR.

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Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

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Mike Morbach
I'm still learning
http://www.pbase.com/spike777

 

[KevinDufff]

Theres just tooooo many Humans!!

I'll stick to AF issues - - at least I know it's on-topic. And
it won't deprive others of answering threads because I got there
first.

If you skip all the threads about 10D problems there is no forum. I
have found myself lurking more and more lately. I have no 10D - I
have no problems - nothing to talk about. Yah, I guess I'll just
skip it, but that's an awful lot of skipping.

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Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

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[Pearl Rider]

I can point out forums where relatively high-dollar electronic
equipment is hashed over just like cameras are here. Pointing out
the problems, discussing workarounds, etc.

Workarounds? Most of the discussion is about CANON and either what they're hiding or what they should be doing.

 

[Mike Morbach]

You would be amazed at some of the stuff my wife and I have gotten refunds on. I will say it is mostly due to my wife. She is one tough cookie when it comes to money/finance.

And I seriously doubt Mishkin could get his credit card company to
issue a refund. Do you? On what basis? My old camera worked
better than this one?

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

--
Mike Morbach
I'm still learning
http://www.pbase.com/spike777

 

[DavidP #28649]

I'm not forcing anybody to respond to AF threads, nor am I preventing them from starting other topics or responding to them.

It seems to me that it's up to YOU (and others) to skip the threads if that's what you want to do.

You missed his point, David. He said that if you SKIP all the AF
issue threads, there IS no forum. This forum is largely made up of
the AF ISSUE threads and you're the dominant figure in each of
them. This is what got this thread started in the first place.

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The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

 

[KevinDufff]

And chuck all this Canon garbage away!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Oh!!! did i forget to tell you all? i saw it at a Canon show in
Japan LOL

It's always something.

I don't believe that IS what we are getting.

I think we used to get a balanced forum (2 way learning and some
'is my camera stuffed' posts
Now the scales have been tipped heavily towards 'Is my camera stuffed'

and as already mentioned above

"some clueless dolt feels compelled to start them all over again"
just after they hit the second page.

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

--
If only thire wos money to mayke owt of typo's

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If only thire wos money to mayke owt of typo's

 

[DavidP #28649]

They'd be flamed, attacked, and then lost. LOL.

You are always here. You seem to know what you are talking about
and you are polite. I think you should come up with an AF and an
iso FAQ. Now get crackin' son.

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
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Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

 

[DavidP #28649]

Their watches always seem to work just fine.

And chuck all this Canon garbage away!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

 

[DON81423]

Hey, I used to do my part and answer those things. Not any more.
People were complaining that I was hogging all the threads . . .
and that the reason they didn't answer them was because somebody
already had.

Pearl Rider wrote: