Hey! Dad

[Paul Cheang]

Clearly you are clueless about the modeling industry. If your
daughter takes these images into an agency, they will laugh at
them. Models are not strippers.

Regards,
J. Roberts

Who said anything about her being a MODEL. Model to me means posing
in front of a camera. Give me a break lads, I would not have posted
this thread if I thought I would get so much stick. But thats the
risk you take when you put your life on the internet I surpose.
Please take this for what it was meant to be. An amature
photographer and a daughter that wanted a few photos for some sort
of portfolio. NO MOTIVES. NO EXPERIANCE. just wanted to share.
Thanks

--
PC writes:

John, I think you can just take a bow for the job you did for your daughter. Being an amateur and can do all these for your child?. Good for you. Yes, I am a dad with two beautiful daughters and a young son and I sure would be honored if they ask me to take their photos for them instead of venturing into the unknow all by themselves. I see nothing wrong with your photos. Cannot believe people would beat you up for sharing your life with us here. They must be sick (or have some sick thoughts of any photos that don't look victorian)...shame on them!

You are actively interacted with your child's life which lacks from most families nowaday. Ask around... how many parents know what their kids do?
Great photos. Be proud and take more of them
Paul.

 

[Kura]

They are really good shots.

With regard to the other noise on this thread - my view is that you should Be proud that your daughter was open enough to go to you to ask help for a portfolio. I know a lot of dads who don't have that good of a relationship - their daughters believe that their dads are losers and would never ask them for a snapshot much less a longer photoshoot!

People without kids would never understand that

Could you take some photo's of me for a bit of a portfolio?.
My doughter is doing her third year as a Phsycology student, but to
pay her way ( i'm skint ) she dances on stage in a Manchester
nightclub. She has never modeled before and I have never
Photographed a model before.
So, armed with a eos10d, Sigma 28 - 105 lens, 550 ex and 420ex, 12
ft + 16ft living room,false tan, makeup that only lasts 10 mins,
and a bookcase with some black material pinned to it, off we went.
I never imagined it would be so hard. We were like two ducks out of
water, 3 hours later we decided enough was enough, You
professionals out there have my upmost admiration for the skill and
artistic flair that you must have to do this for a living.
anyway, this is the result and we were both pleased that we got
something out of the hard work we put in. These are just a few of
the 35 that we ended up with.
http://www.pbase.com/johnaline/maxine

 

[photo-op]

!

Obviously I live
in a world and participate in a forum where my opinions are no
longer mainstream.

-

OBVIOUSLY!-
pbase supporter

 

[J. Roberts]

"Cannot believe

people would beat you up for sharing your life with us here. They
must be sick (or have some sick thoughts of any photos that don't
look victorian)...shame on them!"

Paul, have you ever looked at a model's book? Do you have even the slightest clue as to what type of photo is appropriate?

J. Roberts

 

[deevee]

be accountable to Him and not to secular people, for only He can judge your heart and mind...please forgive any lame comments you may get, and be joyful of the fact that you did a great photographic job with your daughter, be encouraged by it and continue to shoot and share w us...
and of course continue to serve Him.
in His service,
--------------------------------------

As the daughter of a photographer, I doubt that I would have been
comfortable enough when I was that age to strike those poses in
front of dear old Dad and not have been visibly tense. Of course,
my father was always chasing us around the house with the camera
and probably would have been thrilled if I'd asked him to take
shots for a portfolio and then actually stayed still long enough
for the poses.

I liked Maxine-2 with the wind and bangles blowing. I think
there's some artistic flair to that one. Also liked the b/w one.

Otherwise, I'm just an unqualified newbie, so won't comment on the
technical stuff, other than to agree with the comments on the
lighting.

• nancy

It's not easy being a dad but as a friend also we had a laugh
taking these photos.I am totally inexperianced at taking these sort
of shots. As for the technical stuff, I have had some helpfull tips
on this thread and they are much appreciated. I just hope that I
remember them. But because of the few who think I am wrong and not
fit to be a father taking these sort of shots of my daughter I
think I will stick to Nature, You know, Animals killing each other
and mating in public. Its a funny old world !.
God bless
John.

 

[Joshua Heidorn]

Good first photo shoot - my suggestion would be to put more distance between her and the background – the background isn’t very interesting so keep it out of focus. I like the B/W one best, try more like these with complete black background.

Also try placing the flash further away it’s a little to close - and try a diffuser of some sort.

You also don't need to do these types of shoots indoors; outdoor shots can be very helpful in a portfolio. If you go outside keep the background simple and experiment with different lighting.
These might give you some ideas:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=289273

Oh – also, these images could use some body oil – it would be a nice professional touch.

Good Luck

Joshua

Could you take some photo's of me for a bit of a portfolio?.
My doughter is doing her third year as a Phsycology student, but to
pay her way ( i'm skint ) she dances on stage in a Manchester
nightclub. She has never modeled before and I have never
Photographed a model before.
So, armed with a eos10d, Sigma 28 - 105 lens, 550 ex and 420ex, 12
ft + 16ft living room,false tan, makeup that only lasts 10 mins,
and a bookcase with some black material pinned to it, off we went.
I never imagined it would be so hard. We were like two ducks out of
water, 3 hours later we decided enough was enough, You
professionals out there have my upmost admiration for the skill and
artistic flair that you must have to do this for a living.
anyway, this is the result and we were both pleased that we got
something out of the hard work we put in. These are just a few of
the 35 that we ended up with.
http://www.pbase.com/johnaline/maxine

 

[Admiral]

I agree with Paul, nice work John.

-A

--
PC writes:
John, I think you can just take a bow for the job you did for your
daughter. Being an amateur and can do all these for your child?.
Good for you. Yes, I am a dad with two beautiful daughters and a
young son and I sure would be honored if they ask me to take their
photos for them instead of venturing into the unknow all by
themselves. I see nothing wrong with your photos. Cannot believe
people would beat you up for sharing your life with us here. They
must be sick (or have some sick thoughts of any photos that don't
look victorian)...shame on them!
You are actively interacted with your child's life which lacks from
most families nowaday. Ask around... how many parents know what
their kids do?
Great photos. Be proud and take more of them
Paul.

 

[John Burns]

You need to read this page. Not a joke or putdown.

http://www.tripastoralcounseling.org/Fanatic.htm

--
John

 

[Mark Gillett]

You did great with the photos. Your daughter is quite good looking.

 

[Shutter.]

Hi John,

This one would be a really tough one for me...

I have a 4 year old daughter. I want to keep a friendship relationship with her that is strengthened by respect and discipline. I'm not sure if this is the result of success or failure at that. Do you know what I mean?

We stress to our kids to use their "God-given" talents but then we judge them when they do? What is more "God-given" then our appearance?

So, I guess my perspective is that I'd be supportive of what she's doing (at least accepting and non-judgmental) but probably would be uncomfortable taking photos like these. But, I'd rather do it than have someone I didn't trust do them.... hmmm... a quandrey...

Either way, there is so much leeway in what it takes to raise good children into good adults. We need to do what we need to do. This isn't the problem.

And to be completely honest, I would have looked at each photo if I didn't know she was your daughter. Knowing that I looked at the thumbnails to get the idea but was uncomfortable looking at them.

But seriously, this isn't a judgment at all. I don't have a problem with them being done, only looking at them.

Jim

Could you take some photo's of me for a bit of a portfolio?.
My doughter is doing her third year as a Phsycology student, but to
pay her way ( i'm skint ) she dances on stage in a Manchester
nightclub. She has never modeled before and I have never
Photographed a model before.
So, armed with a eos10d, Sigma 28 - 105 lens, 550 ex and 420ex, 12
ft + 16ft living room,false tan, makeup that only lasts 10 mins,
and a bookcase with some black material pinned to it, off we went.
I never imagined it would be so hard. We were like two ducks out of
water, 3 hours later we decided enough was enough, You
professionals out there have my upmost admiration for the skill and
artistic flair that you must have to do this for a living.
anyway, this is the result and we were both pleased that we got
something out of the hard work we put in. These are just a few of
the 35 that we ended up with.
http://www.pbase.com/johnaline/maxine

--
Jim Fuglestad

Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase. -Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries

 

[Dave Abrey]

John,

Considering this was your (and your daughter's) first attempt at this type of photgraphy, I think you did a fantastic job . Well done!

You should be proud to have a beautifull and intelligent daughter .

Cheers,

Dave.

 

[nick_eos168552]

Could you take some photo's of me for a bit of a portfolio?.
My doughter is doing her third year as a Phsycology student, but to
pay her way ( i'm skint ) she dances on stage in a Manchester
nightclub. She has never modeled before and I have never
Photographed a model before.
So, armed with a eos10d, Sigma 28 - 105 lens, 550 ex and 420ex, 12
ft + 16ft living room,false tan, makeup that only lasts 10 mins,
and a bookcase with some black material pinned to it, off we went.
I never imagined it would be so hard. We were like two ducks out of
water, 3 hours later we decided enough was enough, You
professionals out there have my upmost admiration for the skill and
artistic flair that you must have to do this for a living.
anyway, this is the result and we were both pleased that we got
something out of the hard work we put in. These are just a few of
the 35 that we ended up with.
http://www.pbase.com/johnaline/maxine

These types of pictures are very hard to take, and you did a great job, yep a pro could pull them to bits, but the good ones will just give you pointers on ways to improve them.

Well i knew there was some elitist snobs on this forums ready to flame every micron of inacuracy (and never offering constructive advice) but really guys some of you are living in the past, its 2003 not 1803 the average 13 year old has more knowledge of every aspect of life tha i did at 23 and i was married, dont kid your selves overwise.

 

[Louis4]

anyway, this is the result and we were both pleased that we got
something out of the hard work we put in. These are just a few of
the 35 that we ended up with.

Very nice shots! Contragts to the both of you!! But as you mentioned, it's hard work.

Two hints for your daughter: 1) Modeling doesn't necessarily involve showing off a lot of skin. I would recommend her staying away from that field in the beginning and concentrate on "fully dressed" jobs. It's very easy to become stigmatized in that business and showing skin is usually what a models does at the end of her career, not at the beginning. 2) All models "look good" - actually, there are millions of "good looking" girls (and boys) out there; but (photo) modeling has a lot to do with acting: besides just showing off cloths / poses, it's important to "live" the style / mood the photographer wants to create. Personally, I prefer the "less beautiful" models, but the ones which are able to play a certain role in front of the camera in an expressive, visually interesting way. I'd recommend concentrating a bit less on the make-up, but on the "punch" a good shots needs (hard to put in word, but i hope you know what I mean).

Just my two cents.

 

[Gillis Danielsen]

Since when did dancing in a nightclub become illegal? and when did showing off your body become illegal?

And i think the girl looks older then 18, so i guess it's her own choise, you have to grow up some day you know.

And glamour photography is not even meant to be direct pornography, its meant to be sexy and revealing, and a tribute to a beatifull womans body (or mans), but not pornography.

a parent should allways be proud of their child even though the child doesent do exactly as the parents want to, as long as the child is not doing anything illegal.

gimme a break!

 

[Bob Haverford]

Not condoning the expoitation of one's daughter makes you a fanatic?! I don't think so.

You need to read this page. Not a joke or putdown.

http://www.tripastoralcounseling.org/Fanatic.htm

--
John

 

[Bob Haverford]

The objectification of a human being no matter how seemingly innocuos diminishes both that person and the one objectifying or contributing to the objectification.

Since when did dancing in a nightclub become illegal? and when did
showing off your body become illegal?

And i think the girl looks older then 18, so i guess it's her own
choise, you have to grow up some day you know.

And glamour photography is not even meant to be direct pornography,
its meant to be sexy and revealing, and a tribute to a beatifull
womans body (or mans), but not pornography.

a parent should allways be proud of their child even though the
child doesent do exactly as the parents want to, as long as the
child is not doing anything illegal.

gimme a break!

 

[Paul Cheang]

people would beat you up for sharing your life with us here. They
must be sick (or have some sick thoughts of any photos that don't
look victorian)...shame on them!"

Paul, have you ever looked at a model's book? Do you have even the
slightest clue as to what type of photo is appropriate?

J. Roberts

--
PC writes:

J. Roberts... No I am not an expert on this field but I have seen modeling books. And yes, I know you are an expert on this field but John is not taking his daughter photos for FORD modeling agencies or to Glamour magazines... he did it for his daughter for Pete's sake. If his daughter is happy with the photos that 's all it counts. Sure you would have spent 5K to have your daughter's photo taken by a professional and more power to you but John does not want that and good for him too. I'd say "Can you do better?" then show me the beef!
Paul

 

[Louis4]

Can't believe you'd take such pictures of your own daughter.

You forget that the effect the picture will have on the final viewer has little to nothing in common when actually shooting. Based on your venting, I can tell that you feel aroused by these pictures; but shooting glamour is hard work & pretty silly / funny, nothing sexual (nor sensual) involved there.

Listen, I'm no prude, but I'd NEVER take such exploitive pictures
of my daughter.

Doing the picture is one thing (I would do that, no problem), publishing them and the context they are presented in is another story. I'd never publish such pictures of my daughter in a forum like that one, that's for sure.

Furhtermore I'd NEVER let her dance in a
nightclub.

I think we have a misunderstanding here due to the different meaning of "nightclub" to the west and to the east of the Atlantic.

 

[Paul Cheang]

Proud Dad wrote:
I know a lot of dads who don't have that

good of a relationship - their daughters believe that their dads
are losers and would never ask them for a snapshot much less a
longer photoshoot!

People without kids would never understand that

PC writes:

Dang! You nail it! I couldn't have said better. People don't have kids don't understand that teenagers/adult kids don't want to be around their parents because feel that theirs aren't interested in their lives or they just don't feel that their parents are smart (cool enough) enough for them.

For John's daughter to pose for a photo shoot with dad is something rare, indeed. Yes, I know the pro would have done it a little different or a little better but all things considered... John did it pretty good.
Paul

 

[Spencer47022]

Hi John. Good job. I personally would have liked the photos better without the false tan. Maybe its just because you mentioned it but the false tan seems to really stand out and appears uneven. Beautiful daughter I wish her well in her endevours.

Re: Bob and his thread about his views about Christianity and how he inteprets his religion. This forum is about photography. Please go to some other place to discuss your religion. Your moralistic and righteous attitude offends me and does belong in this forum.

Could you take some photo's of me for a bit of a portfolio?.
My doughter is doing her third year as a Phsycology student, but to
pay her way ( i'm skint ) she dances on stage in a Manchester
nightclub. She has never modeled before and I have never
Photographed a model before.
So, armed with a eos10d, Sigma 28 - 105 lens, 550 ex and 420ex, 12
ft + 16ft living room,false tan, makeup that only lasts 10 mins,
and a bookcase with some black material pinned to it, off we went.
I never imagined it would be so hard. We were like two ducks out of
water, 3 hours later we decided enough was enough, You
professionals out there have my upmost admiration for the skill and
artistic flair that you must have to do this for a living.
anyway, this is the result and we were both pleased that we got
something out of the hard work we put in. These are just a few of
the 35 that we ended up with.
http://www.pbase.com/johnaline/maxine