Interesting offering from Canon : G3X

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Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

 

[jonrobertp]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9634942175/canon-announces-plans-to-produce-g3-x-with-25x-zoom

Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

To be announced in Japan about Feb. 12.

Sounds good ! Details will be interesting.

 

[jonrobertp]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9634942175/canon-announces-plans-to-produce-g3-x-with-25x-zoom

Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

looks like it will go into my jacket pocket. Yay !

 

[Eigenmeat]

Base on the front image, Canon took out the bloody EVF on this thing. How can you expect someone to use 600mm eqv without an EVF???

They basically forcing us to buy the $300 add on EVF from the G7x.

 

[jonrobertp]

Base on the front image, Canon took out the EVF on this thing. How can you expect someone to use 600mm eqv without an EVF???

Not a problem for the rest of us.

 

[axlotl]

Base on the front image, Canon took out the EVF on this thing. How can you expect someone to use 600mm eqv without an EVF???

Not a problem for the rest of us.

jonrobertp, You and perhaps many other photographers may not believe there is a problem working without an EVF with a lens of (Effective) 600mm or any focal length on a sunny day.

After all the camera works and makes pictures, right ?

Yes of course it does but my experience (with many M43 kits and currently the Panasonic FZ1000) is that at the long end of such a zoom it is almost impossible to

a) see the subject preview on the monitor adequately on a sunny day

b) frame up the subject

b) hold the camera still enough for consistently sharp photos at the long end.

If Canon wants the G3X to compete with the Sony RX10 and Panasonic FZ1000 the thing needs a built in high quality EVF.

Presumably Canon is hoping that the smaller size of the G3X will win over some buyers and it probably will but I bet they become disenchanted when they discover how difficult it is to achieve good results at the long end of the zoom when trying to view the subject with the camera held out away from one's face while looking at the monitor.

I really wanted Canon to step up and put competitive pressure on Panasonic with the G3X but at the very least it requires the built in EVF for that.

Andrew

 

[brianj]

Base on the front image, Canon took out the EVF on this thing. How can you expect someone to use 600mm eqv without an EVF???

Not a problem for the rest of us.

jonrobertp, You and perhaps many other photographers may not believe there is a problem working without an EVF with a lens of (Effective) 600mm or any focal length on a sunny day.

After all the camera works and makes pictures, right ?

Yes of course it does but my experience (with many M43 kits and currently the Panasonic FZ1000) is that at the long end of such a zoom it is almost impossible to

a) see the subject preview on the monitor adequately on a sunny day

b) frame up the subject

b) hold the camera still enough for consistently sharp photos at the long end.

If Canon wants the G3X to compete with the Sony RX10 and Panasonic FZ1000 the thing needs a built in high quality EVF.

Presumably Canon is hoping that the smaller size of the G3X will win over some buyers and it probably will but I bet they become disenchanted when they discover how difficult it is to achieve good results at the long end of the zoom when trying to view the subject with the camera held out away from one's face while looking at the monitor.

I really wanted Canon to step up and put competitive pressure on Panasonic with the G3X but at the very least it requires the built in EVF for that.

Andrew

When canon's IS mode is set to continuous, it makes the image in the LCD steady even at 500mm, as in a SX260, so I am sure 600mm will not be a problem.

Brian

 

[CoHiker]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9634942175/canon-announces-plans-to-produce-g3-x-with-25x-zoom

Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

looks like it will go into my jacket pocket. Yay !

It would be very attractive if it could fit in a jacket pocket. That said, I'd be shocked if Canon managed to build a 600mm lens for a 1 inch sensor with those dimensions that's not ridiculously slow. I'm guessing the lens is going to be something like 24-600/f4-7?. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Helmut Eder]

Looks to me like it has a similar fold out screen to the G1XM2

 

[damian5000]

Crap. What happened to several powershots being introduced on the 6th.... Now it's the 12th. And only one...

Anyways... It looks good. Any idea on apertures?

 

[Greg Gebhardt]

if the image quality is there, I can live with that

 

[NWT]

Let's hope it will share the same EVF with G1XII. BTW, G7X does not take add-on EVF.

 

[technic]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9634942175/canon-announces-plans-to-produce-g3-x-with-25x-zoom

Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

looks like it will go into my jacket pocket. Yay !

It would be very attractive if it could fit in a jacket pocket. That said, I'd be shocked if Canon managed to build a 600mm lens for a 1 inch sensor with those dimensions that's not ridiculously slow. I'm guessing the lens is going to be something like 24-600/f4-7?. I hope I'm wrong.

24-600mm f/2.8-f/5.6 for 1 inch sensor is possible with current optics technology, assuming a size similar to FZ1000. If they want a much smaller size, it is probably going to be slower indeed, and have a more compromised lens with 'software magic' like on the G7X, which isn't good at least for those who want decent image quality throughout the frame. Or they would have to use DO technology but that is probably too expensive for a camera in this price range.

Also, it's not reassuring that the presentation has been postponed several times, maybe they have trouble realizing the combination of image quality and small size that they were aiming at? Just from the specs this should be an FZ1000-killer, and that will be difficult if it doesn't have an EVF and at least the same image quality.

 

[technic]

Base on the front image, Canon took out the EVF on this thing. How can you expect someone to use 600mm eqv without an EVF???

Not a problem for the rest of us.

jonrobertp, You and perhaps many other photographers may not believe there is a problem working without an EVF with a lens of (Effective) 600mm or any focal length on a sunny day.

After all the camera works and makes pictures, right ?

Yes of course it does but my experience (with many M43 kits and currently the Panasonic FZ1000) is that at the long end of such a zoom it is almost impossible to

a) see the subject preview on the monitor adequately on a sunny day

b) frame up the subject

b) hold the camera still enough for consistently sharp photos at the long end.

If Canon wants the G3X to compete with the Sony RX10 and Panasonic FZ1000 the thing needs a built in high quality EVF.

I agree that a built in EVF would be better (and IMHO mandatory for such an expensive camera, even if the EVF is a bit lower resolution to keep size and price down). However ... doesn't the tilt display help a lot with stabilizing the camera and viewing the display in difficult lighting?

I used a Sony DSC-F717 for a long time which had a tilting body, similar to a tilt display. Balancing the camera in the hands, pressed lightly against my body, while looking down on the display worked very well despite the lack of an image stabilizer (max focal length was 190mm equiv.) and the crappy LCD screens of those days. Only in few cases like with strong overhead sun the lighting made using the LCD difficult and I had to use the integrated (low resolution) EVF. I guess with a camera like FZ1000 this should work pretty well, although I would prefer keeping the camera to my eye for long zoom (maybe also because I have used SLRs and DSLRs for many years).

 

[cgarrard]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9634942175/canon-announces-plans-to-produce-g3-x-with-25x-zoom

Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

No it will not. Canon leaving out a built in finder made a huge mistake. A major part of the appeal of the RX10 and FZ1000 is/are the excellent viewfinders they both have. Allowing a camera to rest on your forehead when making long telephoto images massively increases your chances of getting a steady shot (do you ever see sports photogs with telephoto lenses shooting at arms length?).

So you either use a tripod all the time with the G3X, or you have to buy the auxiliary EVF (which still isn't as stable as a built in design).

As much as I've praised Canon G series cameras in the past I'll have to be honest going forward about the new models regardless. This trend of new G series cameras without viewfinders is a major turnoff for me and my reviews will reflect just that and my reasons why of course.

Extremely disappointed to say the least.

Carl

http://www.photographic-central.blogspot.com (Gear Reviews)
http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best Photographs Compilation)

 

[sbansban]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9634942175/canon-announces-plans-to-produce-g3-x-with-25x-zoom

Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

looks like it will go into my jacket pocket. Yay !

It would be very attractive if it could fit in a jacket pocket. That said, I'd be shocked if Canon managed to build a 600mm lens for a 1 inch sensor with those dimensions that's not ridiculously slow. I'm guessing the lens is going to be something like 24-600/f4-7?. I hope I'm wrong.

24-600mm f/2.8-f/5.6 for 1 inch sensor is possible with current optics technology, assuming a size similar to FZ1000. If they want a much smaller size, it is probably going to be slower indeed, and have a more compromised lens with 'software magic' like on the G7X, which isn't good at least for those who want decent image quality throughout the frame. Or they would have to use DO technology but that is probably too expensive for a camera in this price range.

Also, it's not reassuring that the presentation has been postponed several times, maybe they have trouble realizing the combination of image quality and small size that they were aiming at? Just from the specs this should be an FZ1000-killer, and that will be difficult if it doesn't have an EVF and at least the same image quality.

What is DO technology?

 

[MarioV]

I would have liked a high-res EVF and 4K video capability.. but they arent deal breakers for me.

Unfortunately for those who wont purchase the camera due to lack of VF, it would seem that

1. Canon has sold plenty of G1X Mk II cameras - which dont have a built-in EVF.

2. Canon may believe that the current generation dont want an EVF, in favour of a more compact camera.. and IF you REALLY want one, you'll buy the accessory.

 

[Skippy Belmont]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9634942175/canon-announces-plans-to-produce-g3-x-with-25x-zoom

Will this be the RX / FZ killer camera?

Cheers,

No it will not. Canon leaving out a built in finder made a huge mistake. A major part of the appeal of the RX10 and FZ1000 is/are the excellent viewfinders they both have. Allowing a camera to rest on your forehead when making long telephoto images massively increases your chances of getting a steady shot (do you ever see sports photogs with telephoto lenses shooting at arms length?).

So you either use a tripod all the time with the G3X, or you have to buy the auxiliary EVF (which still isn't as stable as a built in design).

As much as I've praised Canon G series cameras in the past I'll have to be honest going forward about the new models regardless. This trend of new G series cameras without viewfinders is a major turnoff for me and my reviews will reflect just that and my reasons why of course.

Extremely disappointed to say the least.

Carl

http://www.photographic-central.blogspot.com (Gear Reviews)
http://www.carlgarrard.blogspot.com/ (Best Photographs Compilation)

I absolutely agree.

This concept begs the question; Who exactly is this camera for?

I was a happy owner of the marvelous RX10. I sold it due to perceived resale pricing weakness after the FZ1000 was introduced and am patiently waiting for the RX10II which I am sure will be incredible.

Sony has taken a sensible approach to lens speed and zoom range which results in tremendously sharp images with lots of fine detail. I'm sure Canon's Swiss army knife approach will have negative consequences on the overall image quality. There will be months of debate and mud slinging on the forums as a result.

In any case, it will be slow, heavy, bulky and expensive, (typical Canon). Just what the doctor ordered!

 

[technic]

It would be very attractive if it could fit in a jacket pocket. That said, I'd be shocked if Canon managed to build a 600mm lens for a 1 inch sensor with those dimensions that's not ridiculously slow. I'm guessing the lens is going to be something like 24-600/f4-7?. I hope I'm wrong.

24-600mm f/2.8-f/5.6 for 1 inch sensor is possible with current optics technology, assuming a size similar to FZ1000. If they want a much smaller size, it is probably going to be slower indeed, and have a more compromised lens with 'software magic' like on the G7X, which isn't good at least for those who want decent image quality throughout the frame. Or they would have to use DO technology but that is probably too expensive for a camera in this price range.

Also, it's not reassuring that the presentation has been postponed several times, maybe they have trouble realizing the combination of image quality and small size that they were aiming at? Just from the specs this should be an FZ1000-killer, and that will be difficult if it doesn't have an EVF and at least the same image quality.

What is DO technology?

DO = Diffractive Optics: this enables much shorter, lighter lenses and works especially well for long tele lenses (example: the new Canon 4/400 DO II, Nikon 4/300 VR PF). But I don't think the technology is suitable for this type of consumer cameras yet, probably still too expensive.

 

[jonrobertp]

Base on the front image, Canon took out the EVF on this thing. How can you expect someone to use 600mm eqv without an EVF???

Not a problem for the rest of us.

jonrobertp, You and perhaps many other photographers may not believe there is a problem working without an EVF with a lens of (Effective) 600mm or any focal length on a sunny day.

After all the camera works and makes pictures, right ?

Yes of course it does but my experience (with many M43 kits and currently the Panasonic FZ1000) is that at the long end of such a zoom it is almost impossible to

a) see the subject preview on the monitor adequately on a sunny day

b) frame up the subject

b) hold the camera still enough for consistently sharp photos at the long end.

If Canon wants the G3X to compete with the Sony RX10 and Panasonic FZ1000 the thing needs a built in high quality EVF.

Presumably Canon is hoping that the smaller size of the G3X will win over some buyers and it probably will but I bet they become disenchanted when they discover how difficult it is to achieve good results at the long end of the zoom when trying to view the subject with the camera held out away from one's face while looking at the monitor.

I really wanted Canon to step up and put competitive pressure on Panasonic with the G3X but at the very least it requires the built in EVF for that.

Andrew

Andrew, I have such experience. Yes a VF is a good thing, but it puts another NB element into a compromise....that is the size of the unit, as well as the cost. We all pick out priorities. Hey, if it doesn't sell well due to your concern, it could be a good turn of events for ppl like me who want it smaller and cheaper ....and low sales ? Yay !! Cost comes down in 6 months .