playForever8
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It looks quite impressive. The price is good with 25-400mm lens.
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Another 1" sensor camera, Panasonic's Lumix FZ1000.
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Ross
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It is always nice to see another mfr "romancing the inch" and this makes four. Pany's entry does top the charts for size. We'll have to wait for responsiveness evaluations to see if the extra bulk is worth it. N1's advantage is in its responsiveness and small size and maybe its lens range, too.
I wish we had that lens native.
4K video + OIS is awesome if the AF-F can keep up with faster action.
In the "burst" department that's equivalent to 30 FPS for 8MP stills until your card fills.
I like that 1" becomes a sort of standard for "smallish sensor". It is just right. 1/1.7" and 2/3 generally aren't quite there when it comes to achievable IQ and DOF isolation.
1" looks to be just good enough for small cameras for 'enthusiast enough' users who would, say 10 years ago, buy an advanced compact (and then promptly switch to a DSLR since the compacts were so crappy).
Now, people who want a small camera with 2 lenses - one fast normal zoom with a 24mm beginning, and one 300+mm tele faster than f/5.6, are, funnily enough, served by RX100 III and FZ1000 instead of N1.
Now we need a 1" compact with a UWA lens, a 1" compact with a fixed 28mm eq prime and a 1" compact with a fixed fast 50mm eq prime
1" looks to be just good enough for small cameras for 'enthusiast enough' users who would, say 10 years ago, buy an advanced compact (and then promptly switch to a DSLR since the compacts were so crappy).
Now, people who want a small camera with 2 lenses - one fast normal zoom with a 24mm beginning, and one 300+mm tele faster than f/5.6, are, funnily enough, served by RX100 III and FZ1000 instead of N1.
Now we need a 1" compact with a UWA lens, a 1" compact with a fixed 28mm eq prime and a 1" compact with a fixed fast 50mm eq prime
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I don't understand the reviewers - they pretty much rave about 1 inch sensor in a point and shoot camera but they seem to ding Nikon for making an ILC with 1 inch camera...
Most reviewers gave -ve reviews when V1 first came out...
nothing impressive at all.
4k needs almost nobody, just marketing crap
iq most probably not better than RX10
the cam will find buyers ofc, but it´s more or less only an alternative for other 1" cams
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It has 4K with 5 axis IBIS at 900 dollar with a capable sensor. Needing? You do not need a Nikon 1 or a DSLR. Great pictures were shot with film and manual focus.
The reviewers are clear and it should be clear that at that price it is quite impressive
Did you look at the comparison in RAW? In somewhat higher ISO, it is much sharper in the corners. Noise etc is equal, but the lens might well be superior.
It has DFD focus. Now, I have a GH4 on on that cam DFD focussing is very fast and accurate with fast moving subject. So may be it is the very first superzoom offering good AF-c.
It has a swiveling screen RX10 lacks. Really ideal for video especially, but also for shooting stills from difficult angles.
It has twice the reach of RX10, it costs 400 dollar less than the RX10.
All this combined makes for a compelling all in one package for quite a few users I think. We'll see...
semifast
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I think if the initial N1s had had a sensor as good as the one in the RX100, in terms of low light and resolution, the story may have been different.
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I agree with all your points. And that is compared to the already impressive RX10.
I'm happy with my J2 and 30-110mm, it gives me quite a bit of the capability of the FZ1000 for less money, but I look forward to the day the FZ1000 sells for $500.
I'm happy with my J2 and 30-110mm, it gives me quite a bit of the capability of the FZ1000 for less money, but I look forward to the day the FZ1000 sells for $500.
Kevin Omura
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From the comparison pix the camera looks as big as the Canon T5i which is an aps-c dslr.
Not sure how Panasonic users of the FZ series are going to react. There was a lot of complaining when Panasonic veered from f2.8 across the board on these cameras. The FZ200 with 25-600 f2.8 is a great camera, and spec wise on the FZ1000 because of the big sensor it is quite amazing. But they couldn't keep the longer lens with constant aperture and that might become an issue with their customer base. Granted a lens for that sensor of those specs would be massive and cost a fortune.
If Nikon could get it in gear and get that 70-300 lens to market that could be a real game changer. Then fill out the lineup with a fast macro and have two distinct 'pro' bodies one based on the V3 design and one with similar specs to the V3 but in a V2 style body. Or perhaps come up with a battery grip as others have suggested for the V3 that feels like the V2's.
Not sure how Panasonic users of the FZ series are going to react. There was a lot of complaining when Panasonic veered from f2.8 across the board on these cameras. The FZ200 with 25-600 f2.8 is a great camera, and spec wise on the FZ1000 because of the big sensor it is quite amazing. But they couldn't keep the longer lens with constant aperture and that might become an issue with their customer base. Granted a lens for that sensor of those specs would be massive and cost a fortune.
If Nikon could get it in gear and get that 70-300 lens to market that could be a real game changer. Then fill out the lineup with a fast macro and have two distinct 'pro' bodies one based on the V3 design and one with similar specs to the V3 but in a V2 style body. Or perhaps come up with a battery grip as others have suggested for the V3 that feels like the V2's.
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VertigonA380
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The specs and price are impressive no doubt, its not a compact and modular unit like the V3 but I think soon enough it will take some sales away from other 1" manufacturers. I have to hand it to Panasonic, this is a competitive unit.
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Whether one agrees or not, the rationale is having to buy a new set of lenses and accessories for a smaller sensor. For some, the extra price for the copycat gear (wide angle for Vs, wide angle for DLSR, etc.) isn't worth it.
Because people expect Nikon to come up with a large sensor mirrorless camera and not a small P&S style small sensor carry everywhere camera.
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I think on paper Nikon has a strategic advantage, in that the V3 can Match the Sony RX 10, RX100, and Panasonic RZ1000 by simply offering an equivalent lens. Nikon can make a 24-120mm F/1.8-4.o to match the RX100, a 24-200mm F/2.8 and a 28-400mm F/2.8-4.0.
The big problem is Nikon's pricing; Panasonic is making a entire camera body with a state of the art 1" sensor , 4k video and a Leica designed lens 28-400mm F/2.8-4.0 for $899. The closest Nikon equivalent is the 10-100mm F4/-5.6 which sells for $550, paired with a V3 (assuming you can buy the body only) the price tag comes to $1,400!! If you're forced to buy it with the Kit lens the price then jumps to $1,700! Sorry but that just isn't competitive, in order to take advantage of the mirrorless design, Nikon needs to make equivalent fast zooms and price them competitively.
The big problem is Nikon's pricing; Panasonic is making a entire camera body with a state of the art 1" sensor , 4k video and a Leica designed lens 28-400mm F/2.8-4.0 for $899. The closest Nikon equivalent is the 10-100mm F4/-5.6 which sells for $550, paired with a V3 (assuming you can buy the body only) the price tag comes to $1,400!! If you're forced to buy it with the Kit lens the price then jumps to $1,700! Sorry but that just isn't competitive, in order to take advantage of the mirrorless design, Nikon needs to make equivalent fast zooms and price them competitively.
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Yep, but then Nikon is still living in the fantasy world where their name equates to a 30-50% price hike...............their stock price shows how well this daydream has gone.
Vincent Aquilino
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The Nikon 1 is interchangeable with lens,also who needs 4k video right now.I agee though they need to price the 1 series lower.
semifast
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The V3 isn't priced to compete with bridge cameras. The answer isn't to price the V3 to compete.
The J4 is price competitive, but again it's not really the design to compete with bridge cameras or point and shoots. It's an ILC.
Nikon makes bridge cameras and point and shoots. They either have decided the market for expensive ones isn't big enough to make it worth their while to compete with the RX100, Rx10, FZ1000, etc.; or, they'll make competing models.
It's entirely possible these remarkable cameras from Sony and Panasonic will undermine the market for N1's, but it's also possible they'll do the same thing to m43 and e-mount sales.
It might be that ILCs for consumers is a shrinking market as smaller sensors improve which negates the need for large lenses which negates part of the reason for them being interchangeable.
The J4 is price competitive, but again it's not really the design to compete with bridge cameras or point and shoots. It's an ILC.
Nikon makes bridge cameras and point and shoots. They either have decided the market for expensive ones isn't big enough to make it worth their while to compete with the RX100, Rx10, FZ1000, etc.; or, they'll make competing models.
It's entirely possible these remarkable cameras from Sony and Panasonic will undermine the market for N1's, but it's also possible they'll do the same thing to m43 and e-mount sales.
It might be that ILCs for consumers is a shrinking market as smaller sensors improve which negates the need for large lenses which negates part of the reason for them being interchangeable.
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Wu Jiaqiu
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if they brought out a FX version of a Nikon 1, especially regarding AF and the like i think, i would like to own such a beast very much...but imagine the price
4K video = 8MP stills @ 30FPS until the card is full. Not just the buffer.
This is like saying "who needs 20 FPS burst rate right now".
Yes......... but don't expect that to happen anytime soon. Nikon will not want to mess around with their FX line. Why fix something that isn't broken? At the end of the day, Nikon is just a company, their priority is to earn money, good lenses and cameras are just by products! Really can't see them doing anything to affect their D4, D800, D600 lines.
But of cause, in some way, the DF is already a FX version of the "N1" most people wanted.
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