What do you expect the 70d specs to be?

[ammac12]

I realize this is speculation until Canon makes an official announcement. But, I am contemplating a body upgrade and have read there is a pending 70d release - possibly coming soon. What would you expect to be the upgrades over the 60d?

• AF video
• 19 cross point AF points
• Magnesium alloy body
• 8 fps
• expecting the Digic 5 processor
• increased ISO

As my list goes on, it sounds more and more like a 7d. Or will it essentially be a 4Ti in a larger, slightly weather sealed frame? Just speculating.

 

[max2k]

ammac12 wrote:

I realize this is speculation until Canon makes an official announcement. But, I am contemplating a body upgrade and have read there is a pending 70d release - possibly coming soon. What would you expect to be the upgrades over the 60d?

• AF video
• 19 cross point AF points
• Magnesium alloy body
• 8 fps
• expecting the Digic 5 processor
• increased ISO

As my list goes on, it sounds more and more like a 7d. Or will it essentially be a 4Ti in a larger, slightly weather sealed frame? Just speculating.

My list:

• AF video connected to your mind - so you think what the subject is and the cam locks in (wirelessly of course)
• inifinite AF points - any given point can be the AF spot - AF itself is highly intelligent (see above)
• 60 FPS stills / RAW and 2000 shot buffer - to be close with video
• Dynamic range matching (perhaps exceeding) the human eye
• Native ISO range of 100 to 1638400 - noise free and with fine detail of course.
• ISO expansion will make it go upto 3276800
• Complete weather sealing - fully waterproof upto 100 Ft.
• Ability to mount any lens - EF/EFS/Nikon Mount/m43/...
• Quad processors - Digic 100
• Built-in toaster to make you a snack when you're waiting for the perfect moment !

As long as we're dreaming ... why not Seriously speculation would lead to nothing but disappointment

 

[ammac12]

max2k wrote:

ammac12 wrote:

I realize this is speculation until Canon makes an official announcement. But, I am contemplating a body upgrade and have read there is a pending 70d release - possibly coming soon. What would you expect to be the upgrades over the 60d?

• AF video
• 19 cross point AF points
• Magnesium alloy body
• 8 fps
• expecting the Digic 5 processor
• increased ISO

As my list goes on, it sounds more and more like a 7d. Or will it essentially be a 4Ti in a larger, slightly weather sealed frame? Just speculating.

My list:

• AF video connected to your mind - so you think what the subject is and the cam locks in (wirelessly of course)
• inifinite AF points - any given point can be the AF spot - AF itself is highly intelligent (see above)
• 60 FPS stills / RAW and 2000 shot buffer - to be close with video
• Dynamic range matching (perhaps exceeding) the human eye
• Native ISO range of 100 to 1638400 - noise free and with fine detail of course.
• ISO expansion will make it go upto 3276800
• Complete weather sealing - fully waterproof upto 100 Ft.
• Ability to mount any lens - EF/EFS/Nikon Mount/m43/...
• Quad processors - Digic 100
• Built-in toaster to make you a snack when you're waiting for the perfect moment !

As long as we're dreaming ... why not Seriously speculation would lead to nothing but disappointment

You stopped short of having the camera act as your personal credit card, but never using your personal money and never being declined. That way, you can purchase the new 50mm f0.0 lens coming out! It will be priceless. : )

 

[David Naylor]

ammac12 wrote:

I realize this is speculation until Canon makes an official announcement. But, I am contemplating a body upgrade and have read there is a pending 70d release - possibly coming soon. What would you expect to be the upgrades over the 60d?

• AF video
• 19 cross point AF points
• Magnesium alloy body
• 8 fps
• expecting the Digic 5 processor
• increased ISO

As my list goes on, it sounds more and more like a 7d. Or will it essentially be a 4Ti in a larger, slightly weather sealed frame? Just speculating.

I still have absolutely no idea where Canon is going with the 70D and/or the 7D mark II. They might have decided to move the 70D back into the slightly higher segment previously occupied by the XXD range, either moving the 7D II up a notch, or disbanding the 7D line, or they might just have decided to keep them both where they are now.


What I do know is that Canon has always disappointed when it comes to sticking big-brother AF into little-brother camera bodies. If the 70D does show up in the same market segment as the 60D, expect some slight variation of the same-old 9 point AF. (See 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 5D, 5D II & 6D.) Canon doesn't think an enthusiast shooter needs more than 9 AF points, ever. Yes, I am bitter. :-x


If Canon by some miracle of the gods decides to put the 19 point AF in the 70D, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.


When it comes to frame rate, 8 fps is only possible if they kill the 7D off completely. A 7D II with the rumoured 10 fps would mean 6 fps for the 70D, at the very most.


Personally I own a 7D and I don't really know which scenario I'm hoping for. Improved IQ is always nice, but I'm not sure what I'd do with a full 10 fps. What I'm really hoping for is for these three usability limitations of the 7D to be fixed:

• Exposure compensation in M mode with Auto ISO
• An option for using slower shutterspeeds when using IS lenses and shooting in Av mode. Perhaps adjustable to an absolute value or 1 stop/2 stops/3 stops slower than the rule of thumb, 1/focal length.
• Multi-shot bracketing, more than 3 frames. 7 should do for most occasions but why not allow 9 while we're at it.

 

[sarissa]

David Naylor wrote:

ammac12 wrote:

I realize this is speculation until Canon makes an official announcement. But, I am contemplating a body upgrade and have read there is a pending 70d release - possibly coming soon. What would you expect to be the upgrades over the 60d?

• AF video
• 19 cross point AF points
• Magnesium alloy body
• 8 fps
• expecting the Digic 5 processor
• increased ISO

As my list goes on, it sounds more and more like a 7d. Or will it essentially be a 4Ti in a larger, slightly weather sealed frame? Just speculating.

I still have absolutely no idea where Canon is going with the 70D and/or the 7D mark II. They might have decided to move the 70D back into the slightly higher segment previously occupied by the XXD range, either moving the 7D II up a notch, or disbanding the 7D line, or they might just have decided to keep them both where they are now.

What I do know is that Canon has always disappointed when it comes to sticking big-brother AF into little-brother camera bodies. If the 70D does show up in the same market segment as the 60D, expect some slight variation of the same-old 9 point AF. (See 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 5D, 5D II & 6D.) Canon doesn't think an enthusiast shooter needs more than 9 AF points, ever. Yes, I am bitter. :-x

If Canon by some miracle of the gods decides to put the 19 point AF in the 70D, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

When it comes to frame rate, 8 fps is only possible if they kill the 7D off completely. A 7D II with the rumoured 10 fps would mean 6 fps for the 70D, at the very most.

Personally I own a 7D and I don't really know which scenario I'm hoping for. Improved IQ is always nice, but I'm not sure what I'd do with a full 10 fps. What I'm really hoping for is for these three usability limitations of the 7D to be fixed:

• Exposure compensation in M mode with Auto ISO
• An option for using slower shutterspeeds when using IS lenses and shooting in Av mode. Perhaps adjustable to an absolute value or 1 stop/2 stops/3 stops slower than the rule of thumb, 1/focal length.
• Multi-shot bracketing, more than 3 frames. 7 should do for most occasions but why not allow 9 while we're at it.

 

[walkaround]

Dig!c5 and a touchscreen will be the only actual changes. The rest will be marketing.

It's hard to improve on a near perfect camera.

 

[x-vision]

ammac12 wrote:

As my list goes on, it sounds more and more like a 7d ...

Yes, it does

 

[ammac12]

walkaround wrote:

Dig!c5 and a touchscreen will be the only actual changes. The rest will be marketing.

It's hard to improve on a near perfect camera.

I've got a big nose and fear my snout will affect the touch screen! LOL. Can the touch screen be disabled?

 

[max2k]

ammac12 wrote:

walkaround wrote:

Dig!c5 and a touchscreen will be the only actual changes. The rest will be marketing.

It's hard to improve on a near perfect camera.

I've got a big nose and fear my snout will affect the touch screen! LOL. Can the touch screen be disabled?

Hey you can then conveniently blame the nose when you get a picture OOF or noisy or whatever

 

[Davev76]

ammac12 wrote:

I realize this is speculation until Canon makes an official announcement. But, I am contemplating a body upgrade and have read there is a pending 70d release - possibly coming soon. What would you expect to be the upgrades over the 60d?

• AF video
• 19 cross point AF points
• Magnesium alloy body
• 8 fps
• expecting the Digic 5 processor
• increased ISO

As my list goes on, it sounds more and more like a 7d. Or will it essentially be a 4Ti in a larger, slightly weather sealed frame? Just speculating.

AF video, Probably

19 crosspoints, Probably not, but maybe a couple more, maybe 13. A 2,3,3,3,2 pattern.

Magnesium alloy body, I doubt it.

8 fps, hopefully 6 fps

Digic 5, I'm hoping for at least that. If Canon has something newer, I hope it's in there.

Increased ISO, that's what the new Digic is for.




I hope there's some other sensor to put in this one. I just don't like the 18mp sensor. Up or down in mp's, I don't care, as long as the shot is cleaner than what I get now. Useable iso 6400 would be great, but even 3200 consistently would be great.

A sensor by the viewfinder to shut down the screen like on the T4i would be nice. I always have the info display on, on the back of the camera.

How about a rotating (up/down) pop up flash so you could bounce it off of the ceiling? Wouldn't that make it much more useable? Maybe just press the button a second time and it would roll back another 45 degrees. (I know, it's just a dream)

Hopefully it will use the same battery, as I have a few spares, and the fact that it's the same as my 5DMKII reduces the need to carry more than one charger.

Wifi to upload to a phone or tablet.

 

[RedFox88]

ammac12 wrote:

I realize this is speculation until Canon makes an official announcement. But, I am contemplating a body upgrade and have read there is a pending 70d release - possibly coming soon. What would you expect to be the upgrades over the 60d?

• AF video

dont use bullets as formatting falls apart. any AF will be slow and nearly useless.

• 19 cross point AF points

probably 11 from the 6D

• Magnesium alloy body

60D is engineering plastic over aluminum so will the 70D

• 8 fps

Maybe 6 or 7

• expecting the Digic 5 processor

Why not the 5+ ?

• increased ISO

 

[RedFox88]

David Naylor wrote:

If the 70D does show up in the same market segment as the 60D, expect some slight variation of the same-old 9 point AF. (See 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 5D, 5D II & 6D.) Canon doesn't think an enthusiast shooter needs more than 9 AF points, ever.

Read the news, the 6D has a new 11 point AF system. Guess you missed that one. Go read up on it.

 

[photosen]

But I'll play. If the 60D and 7D are merged then the cheap and cheerful 60D model is sure to be a goner. Canon might just bide its time like last time until the competition finally produces a D400 and then sets the 70D against that:

• Even better AF?
• Surely better high ISO.
• Probably lose the flip LCD unfortunately.
• All the movie tricks money can buy.
• Wifi and GPS right up the wazoo.
• Something that catches the rich amateur's mind, even if he / she is never going to need it: It's made of moonrocks!

And all for say $2,000? I wish it were $1,000 but they're greedy devils.

 

[David Naylor]

RedFox88 wrote:

David Naylor wrote:

If the 70D does show up in the same market segment as the 60D, expect some slight variation of the same-old 9 point AF. (See 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 5D, 5D II & 6D.) Canon doesn't think an enthusiast shooter needs more than 9 AF points, ever.

Read the news, the 6D has a new 11 point AF system. Guess you missed that one. Go read up on it.

Granted, it has 11. One (!) of which is cross-type. That's a joke. That means they didn't just take the available 9-sensor AF (all cross type) and add two, they deliberately created a crippled version with only one-way sensors and added two.

 

[TomWret]

I don't expect this but: 5 axis IS and an articulated LCD.

Tom W(ret)

 

[David Naylor]

David Naylor wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

David Naylor wrote:

If the 70D does show up in the same market segment as the 60D, expect some slight variation of the same-old 9 point AF. (See 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 5D, 5D II & 6D.) Canon doesn't think an enthusiast shooter needs more than 9 AF points, ever.

Read the news, the 6D has a new 11 point AF system. Guess you missed that one. Go read up on it.

Granted, it has 11. One (!) of which is cross-type. That's a joke. That means they didn't just take the available 9-sensor AF (all cross type) and add two, they deliberately created a crippled version with only one-way sensors and added two.

 

[RedFox88]

David Naylor wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

David Naylor wrote:

If the 70D does show up in the same market segment as the 60D, expect some slight variation of the same-old 9 point AF. (See 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 5D, 5D II & 6D.) Canon doesn't think an enthusiast shooter needs more than 9 AF points, ever.

Read the news, the 6D has a new 11 point AF system. Guess you missed that one. Go read up on it.

Granted, it has 11. One (!) of which is cross-type. That's a joke. That means they didn't just take the available 9-sensor AF (all cross type) and add two, they deliberately created a crippled version with only one-way sensors and added two.

Cut it with the "crippled" jargon. Designing a system with certain parameters is not crippling something! Why don't you cry to Toyota for putting in a weak powered engine in the cheap 2 door Yaris instead of one that goes in their high end Lexus?! My god!

 

[Wei Kelun]

TomWret wrote:

I don't expect this but: 5 axis IS and an articulated LCD.

I don't see the attraction of an articulated LCD. I think the space taken up by a tilty-swively screen could be used to pack more electronics into the body. But that notwithstanding, what's the advantage of a tilty-swively screen anyway?

Maybe I'm asking this because I don't use Live View as much as I should... but for those fans of an articulated screen, why do you like it?

 

[WilbaW]

Wei Kelun wrote:
Maybe I'm asking this because I don't use Live View as much as I should...

You tend to use Live View more if you can see through the lens from beside, above, below, and in front of the camera.

but for those fans of an articulated screen, why do you like it?

I don't have to have my head behind the camera to frame and time a shot, e.g. on my lap where no-one thinks I'm shooting. I can review or share images with the camera resting on a table, rather than having to hold it at the right angle. I can protect the LCD window by folding it in against the body. Once you've flipped you'd never want to go back (unless unreasonable prejudice prevents you from experiencing the benefits ).

 

[crazybadger]

WilbaW wrote:

Wei Kelun wrote:
Maybe I'm asking this because I don't use Live View as much as I should...

You tend to use Live View more if you can see through the lens from beside, above, below, and in front of the camera.

but for those fans of an articulated screen, why do you like it?

I don't have to have my head behind the camera to frame and time a shot, e.g. on my lap where no-one thinks I'm shooting. I can review or share images with the camera resting on a table, rather than having to hold it at the right angle. I can protect the LCD window by folding it in against the body. Once you've flipped you'd never want to go back (unless unreasonable prejudice prevents you from experiencing the benefits ).

I really wasn't that keen on the articulated screen when I got the 60D but now I love it. I'm actually looking at a 6D now and one of the things I'll miss most if I trade in my 60D will be the articulated screen. Like Wilba said, the ability to shoot from odd angles can be really useful. Shooting over obstacles, or getting a ground view of things are a snap. And surprisingly, just having the ability to flip the screen over and protect it while stuffed in my hiking bag, then pull it out, flip the screen around and away I go, is one of the things I like most. My better half loves the thing for taking photos of the two of us. Flip the screen all the way around, hold the camera at arms length, and we can get a picture of the two of us where ever we might be out on a trail.

The funny thing is, I never really used live view shooting before. So it wasn't a case of live view shooter liking the flip screen. It was a case of flip screen user learning to use live view.