Why I sold my 10D pt 2

[Mark Booth]

I recently replaced my Nikon 5700 with the Canon 10D. I am selling my 5700 because I was unhappy with the low light autofocus performance. I spent time in the Nikon forum here at DP Review and posted messages about the autofocus issues.

Now that I have the 10D, I spend my time here in the Canon SLR forum. I do NOT go over to the Nikon forum and tell them how much better the 10D is compared to the 5700.

Steve, you've sold your 10D and now use the S2. I'm happy you've found a camera that you like and fits your shooting style. Why not save everyone (including yourself) some aggravation and spend your time over in the Fuji forum? Spending your time over here simply makes it appear that you are trying to justify your switch... to yourself.

Happy shooting!

Mark

 

[DavidP #28649]

The Fuji S-2 doesn't accept Canon EF glass. That pretty much makes it a non-start for a lot of us.

For those who don't have much invested in glass (either Canon or Nikon), I can only say: look at both systems, not just the bodies. Try out both systems in the store. Which feels right to you?

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[SteveVideoman]

how is the 10D

Ummm.... any of the pics on your page could have been taken with an
s40 as well.... since they are all really small.

Show me some S40 shots like my ISO800 indoor available light portrait of the girl. Cmon, I dare ya!

In

this case though, the 10D is ahead in features... so I guess its a
matte of do you want to take advange of the features and work with
the way it meters, or do you want to take the S2?

umm, how is the 10D ahead in features? The Af on my S2 is equally fast and always DEAD ON - ALWAYS. The 10D does not have true spot metering, S2 does. My S2 gives me 600-800 shots on 4 AA alkalines which I can buy in any store if needed. 10D uses a $60 battery that you must buy specifically for thecamera - Run out and your screwed unless you want to wait 2 hours for a charge. Metering on the S2 is superior to Canons. This has always been a fact - and is where Canon needs to catch up. Ummm...where are the superior features of the 10D? S2 can output a 12MP file that is incredible in detail - equals an 8 or 9MP image. This has been documented. yes, the 10D is better at long exposures. ISO is about equal, but you wont get teh great colors with the 10D at ISO 1600 that the S2 will give at 1600. the 10D gives 3 shots per second, S2 is 2. Not a big deal for me as I take it one shot at a time. The 10D is not ahead in features. If it is, Im not seeing them. I judge by the output of each file with respect to color, sharpness, detail, dynamic range - Ive said it before and Ill say it again, the 10D can not touch the S2 for portraits/skin tones.

 

[smoody]

If I were Steve, I'd miss that fast pace of this forum. The oldest message on the front page of this forum is 32 minutes old. On the Fuji forum, it's six hours old.

You can hardly blame Steve for wanting in on the fast paced fun and because he's not a Canon owner, the only way he can participate is by comparing his camera to Canon cameras.

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[SteveVideoman]

Yet another bonus of teh Canon forum. Start showing that any camera may be better than teh beloved 10D and you get flamed..BTW, how did you know that was me?

Great shot of Steve!

Mark

 

[Andrew Chiciak]

OK,

Being objective about these photos. The 10D seems to overexpose, but it does have more neutral skintones. The S2 skin tones seem to have more red in them. If you dialed the exposure down about 1/2 stop on the 10D, your results would be pretty close. I use my cameras professionally and I have been able to get better results with my d60 and 10d than my associate has gotten with his s2...therein lies the the caveat...technique does matter.

If the workflow of the S2 gets you where you want to be better than
the 10D, then that is a fair statement. However, some of your
other claims are simply too tempting for some to pass up on.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but asking the questions
which I am sure others want to ask as well.

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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[SteveVideoman]

gee, i explained why I posted here TWICE in this thread. It was due to some dude in this forum daring me to post them in another thread entitled "10d vs D1x" - BTW, teh 5700 stinks! tried it out for a couple days when buying a 2nd smaller cam to tote around. hated it. AF was lousy..

I recently replaced my Nikon 5700 with the Canon 10D. I am selling
my 5700 because I was unhappy with the low light autofocus
performance. I spent time in the Nikon forum here at DP Review and
posted messages about the autofocus issues.

Now that I have the 10D, I spend my time here in the Canon SLR
forum. I do NOT go over to the Nikon forum and tell them how much
better the 10D is compared to the 5700.

Steve, you've sold your 10D and now use the S2. I'm happy you've
found a camera that you like and fits your shooting style. Why not
save everyone (including yourself) some aggravation and spend your
time over in the Fuji forum? Spending your time over here simply
makes it appear that you are trying to justify your switch... to
yourself.

Happy shooting!

Mark

 

[SteveVideoman]

BTW, your shots rock.

The Fuji S-2 doesn't accept Canon EF glass. That pretty much
makes it a non-start for a lot of us.

For those who don't have much invested in glass (either Canon or
Nikon), I can only say: look at both systems, not just the bodies.
Try out both systems in the store. Which feels right to you?

--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

 

[SteveVideoman]

Yep you are 100% correct! Man, that is why I bought a DSLR in the 1st place, so I can be on the hottest forum board! You caught me. Seriously though, the Fuji board is slow, but di dyou ever compare the quality of posts? 75% of teh posts on this forum are "Which lens do I get" - "Is my 10D defective" - "AF test" - "10D or 1d" - 28-135 Sharp?" - "is L Glass Worth It?"

If I were Steve, I'd miss that fast pace of this forum. The oldest
message on the front page of this forum is 32 minutes old. On the
Fuji forum, it's six hours old.

You can hardly blame Steve for wanting in on the fast paced fun and
because he's not a Canon owner, the only way he can participate is
by comparing his camera to Canon cameras.

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[SteveVideoman]

BTW, Ive had teh S2 over 3 weeks and Im stil lon my same set of AA Alkalines that cost $3 - almost 800 shots, still going. The 123 batteries are not needed unless you want to use flash, and if you do, they last months. Ive changed my 10D battery 4 times by the time I hit 800 shots. Sorry.

as long as you have fun changing your batteries....

 

[SteveVideoman]

less talk and more action. Show your 10D shots and your friends S2 shots.

Being objective about these photos. The 10D seems to overexpose,
but it does have more neutral skintones. The S2 skin tones seem to
have more red in them. If you dialed the exposure down about 1/2
stop on the 10D, your results would be pretty close. I use my
cameras professionally and I have been able to get better results
with my d60 and 10d than my associate has gotten with his
s2...therein lies the the caveat...technique does matter.

If the workflow of the S2 gets you where you want to be better than
the 10D, then that is a fair statement. However, some of your
other claims are simply too tempting for some to pass up on.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but asking the questions
which I am sure others want to ask as well.

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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Andy C

 

[Jay Bean]

It seems that you prefer the default out-of-the-box settings for saturation, contrast, etc., on the Fuji over the default settings for the 10D. This is a matter of personal taste and, of course, could have been easily adjusted in the 10D parameters to make them closer to what you like.

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

 

[SteveVideoman]

WHoa! I would NEVER just take my S2 out to take photos! Are you nuts? It is meant to sit at home in its bag and get minimal use while I settle on a cheap P&S Digicam to give me grainy noisy results! Actually, I do have a smaller P&S digicam, 2 of them actually and I take them with me almost everywhere. I use my S2 when family is here from out of town, or if I want to get a shot to print or if Im at home or the zoo. Why buy a $2000 camera only to have it sit at home? Also, no camera I have used comes close to what I get from the S2 - The Sonys suck, Nikon CP's have mega noise, Minoltas have mega noise, canons S50 is sweet. Plus my S2 is much ligter than my 10D, and my lenses are smaller and mor compact so its very easy to carry.

Let me ask you this? Why did you buy a DSLR if you never want to take it out and use it?

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

I'm glad you like your new camera. However, as hard as I looked,
none of the problems in the 10D shots you posted are attributable
to the camera -- I'm pretty sure that you would have had similar
problems with the S2, had you shot the "bad" shots with it.

And, not to put too fine a point on it, why do you bother carrying
around a full SLR set-up for snapshots, when a pocketable
point-and-shoot would get the job done just about as well, at a far
lower price, smaller "intimidation factor," and easier portability?

Petteri
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[Kiran P]

Ok... if you're comparing strickly skin tones, then maybe you're right cause I hear this alot. But I do wonder if the focus is on par to tell you the truth. I can't speak from experience, but I have read up on stuff in the Fuji forum. I think the 2 vs. 3 frames per second is a big deal, but I guess not for use. Also, the 1/3 vs. 1/2 exposure compensation is also a big deal. I personally never did like the battery issue. If you're getting 600 shots... that amazing... but I've heard differently. Plus, I wouldn't want to have to worry about 2 different kinds of batteries, especially the one which is not rechargable. Also.... does 5 vs. 7 focus points matter? Hmmm.... I can't remember what else.... but those are the important points. So I don't know. I know it wouldn't work for me, but if it works for you, great. I will say the colors are nice and the resolution is the best... oh ya... but also the price. Up here in Canada, it would have been about $500... and that is without that hyperfile untility thing. Come on... how can a company expect you to buy software to make a certain feature of the camera that you paid for come alive? Well.. that's it.

Kiran

umm, how is the 10D ahead in features? The Af on my S2 is equally
fast and always DEAD ON - ALWAYS. The 10D does not have true spot
metering, S2 does. My S2 gives me 600-800 shots on 4 AA alkalines
which I can buy in any store if needed. 10D uses a $60 battery that
you must buy specifically for thecamera - Run out and your screwed
unless you want to wait 2 hours for a charge. Metering on the S2 is
superior to Canons. This has always been a fact - and is where
Canon needs to catch up. Ummm...where are the superior features of
the 10D? S2 can output a 12MP file that is incredible in detail -
equals an 8 or 9MP image. This has been documented. yes, the 10D is
better at long exposures. ISO is about equal, but you wont get teh
great colors with the 10D at ISO 1600 that the S2 will give at
1600. the 10D gives 3 shots per second, S2 is 2. Not a big deal for
me as I take it one shot at a time. The 10D is not ahead in
features. If it is, Im not seeing them. I judge by the output of
each file with respect to color, sharpness, detail, dynamic range -
Ive said it before and Ill say it again, the 10D can not touch the
S2 for portraits/skin tones.

 

[mini-me]

If the workflow of the S2 gets you where you want to be better than
the 10D, then that is a fair statement. However, some of your
other claims are simply too tempting for some to pass up on.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but asking the questions
which I am sure others want to ask as well.

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

--
Some digital cameras, some lenses, 2 eyes

http://www.tom-crowning.com

--
Zero my hero

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

Petteri Sulonen wrote:
[snip]

These three were taken with the S40 too:







Let me ask you again: why on earth do you need an SLR setup for snapshots?

Petteri
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[Kiran P]

You talk about getting flamed cause you come here saying that your new camera is better than your old one... isn't that flame bait? What purpose does your post really serve? And please don't say that you are showing examples cause your examples hadrly prove one thing over another. If you had done side by side comparison, you may have a point, but just showing snaps with one camera vs. the other is pretty useless. Each camera is better set-up to give diferent scenes more importance. The Fuji seems to preserve highlights at any cost, the Canon tries to balance out each scene.

Let me ask you, after posting your thread, what would you ideally like people to say? Do you want me to cry and say your pics are so technically correct taht I have to run out and sell my 10D and get the S2? What is your purpose in posting... cause it does have the elements of flame bait.

Kiran

Yet another bonus of teh Canon forum. Start showing that any camera
may be better than teh beloved 10D and you get flamed..BTW, how did
you know that was me?

 

[smoody]

well, at the current moment, there are three "what lens do i get?" one "what CF card do I get?" one "which autofocus point do you use?" two addressed to you specifically, and a bunch of photos.

and, of course you know that you'll never get the "10D or 1D"-type posts because Fuji only gives you one camera choice.

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[ejhersom]

Maybe this will help in your comparisons.

The first portrait shots. Notice your subject was in the shade. S2 - You had a dark background and you did what you were supposed to do, you added fill flash, which brings out the nice colors. D10 - Your subject had harsh overhead light, brighter and road glare background and no fill flash. If you switched the cameras, your results would have been the same. Both are very nice portrait cameras, you just have to use em right. So learn what you did right rather than rely on random results.

The second portraits near a window. Just compare the distance to your subjects and figure out the difficulty reading the light of the 2 subjects.

You also have to consider the position of their heads. Obviously the S2 subject was better lit for the face. Again, change the cameras and you'd get nearly equal results.

The third set. Someone mentioned the S2 was a bit red. I'd have to agree. Again, notice the how close you were on one subject compared to the other. The S2 pic with a darker background, the D10 with more for a light meter to deal with, but then again, we don't know what settings you used. I'd bet you again if you switched cameras, your results would be very very similar.

And so on and so forth. You'd be much better off comparing what you did in each photo, rather than trying to compare the two cameras in this type of 'test.' In other words, this really wasn't a test of the cameras, it was a comparison of how you are taking your photos. It just so happens you seem to choose your photos better holding the S2 so keep with it.

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!

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[Bob Graham rvg]

Due to some other posts in this forum from others I have decided to
post at their request some of my 10D shots vs some of my Fji S2
shots - These are not scientific tests, just normal everyday shots
in similar situations. My technique was the same. The 10D shots did
have more expensive lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/videoman/canon_10d_vs_fuji_s2_portrait

Again, in another post I was getting egged on to post some
comparison shots, so here ya go!