I'm getting the sneeky suspicion.....

[Glenn Barber]

If seems that the exposure of some colors, like deep blues, some deep reds, expose "hotter" (lighter/brighter) than they do on the D60 - making them look a little washed out in comparison.

This is not corrected by just adjusting saturation in camera - although I suppose someone with the correct profiles can do it in PhotoShop.

Complexions definitely appear lighter than natural - which makes them appear easier to get looking natural, and makes them more cosmetic - so people with light complexions look better on the 10D. In the fashion and TV business we often did this deliberately to favor the model. The overall default color balance on the 10D seems to favor light complexions.

This can easily be seen on MacGrath Rollover on Phil's 10D review.

However, there are some of us who are going to want to hold on to our
D30's and D60's.

I'm getting the sneeky suspicion that the color on the 10D isn't
all that good.

Why do I say this, not having a 10D myself. I'm reading more and
more forum posts about those that are missing their D30 because of
the color it produces.

Is the final color product of the 10D worse, not better than the D30?

I would expect the final color of the 10D to be that much better,
not worse.

What's the truth?

 

[GageFX133521]

If I have been sucked in I am glad that I have!!!

Me too. And I'm also glad I bought the camera before Canon "fixes" it. I, for one, prefer REAL colors to PnS colors. I suppose this thread backs up the complaints about all the PnS shooters buying 10Ds and then complaining about it.

-GageFX

and i did try the 10D.

and I own the 10D (plus I have come from a D60)

sure you can get close to the D60 or D30, but you have to max out
the saturation

Nonsense... I am running at the default setting and the colours are
great.

...........Canon will fix it soon though

They just fixed it.... the over-saturation of the D60 that is.

..........after they have enough suckers on the hook.

Suckers? What kind of comment is that? You're not feeling a bit
ticked that you missed the boat on upgrading for free are you? If
I have been sucked in I am glad that I have!!! The 10D is a FAR
better camera than the D60 and I would not trade back in a zillion
years.

 

[John Davis]

I have to agree with John, whenever there is someone looking for
overly saturated, eye popping color involved, it's usually someone
who doesn't do this for a living. Alright, I know upon a rare
occasion a professional might have a job that calls for it. Great.
I want the option of dialing up the saturation, not fighting it
right out of the camera. My D30 was brutal with it, my 10D is more
accurate. Thanks John.
Tim Joyce

When I want Velvia colors I use Fred Miranda's Digital Velvia action - highly recommended.

John

The 10D output color is far more accurate than the D30/D60. When I
had a D60 I needed a camera profile. The 10D AdobeRGb output is
very accurate. Not an absolute color match (some slight, very
slight deviation in the reds/oranges) but probably as close as you
can get w/o a specific camera profile.

The folks who are disappointed w/ the 10D color are, let's be
frank, low rank amateurs, or people who have a color distorted view
of the world.

If I want overly staurated colors it's easy to do directly in PS
or, even easier, w/ fred Miranda's Digital Velvia PS action.

John

--
Tim Joyce

 

[Leo Reinhard]

John where did you get your D60 camera profile? I was hoping to get Magne's profiles but it looks like he has given up on offering them. I guess he is going with the 10D but for those of us who don't want to upgrade to the E10, a D60 profile would be very nice indeed.

The 10D output color is far more accurate than the D30/D60. When I
had a D60 I needed a camera profile. The 10D AdobeRGb output is
very accurate. Not an absolute color match (some slight, very
slight deviation in the reds/oranges) but probably as close as you
can get w/o a specific camera profile.

--
Leo R

 

[johnd1]

Please let us know how you like the Sigma 15030. I'm interested.
John

I'm getting the sneeky suspicion that the color on the 10D isn't
all that good.

Why do I say this, not having a 10D myself. I'm reading more and
more forum posts about those that are missing their D30 because of
the color it produces.

Is the final color product of the 10D worse, not better than the D30?

I would expect the final color of the 10D to be that much better,
not worse.

What's the truth?

--
Tom
Photography – you gotta love it. All kinds of flavors and enough
for everyone.

 

[Joo]

Guess I can't really comment. I've only shot in RAW. I've never looked at JPEGs OOC.

anyway... I think the colors are fine from the 10D. Yes, they are different than the D30, but just being different doesn't mean its better or worse. Someone might prefer the D30 colors over the 10D colors, but again that doesn't make it better or worse.

I have the D30 and the 10D. From the shots I've made so far, I actually prefer the 10D.

Joo

I don't see much difference in RAW between 10D and D60. 10D has
more red, though, but in RAW, data is as silky smooth as D60's.

Don't know about D30, though.

I'm getting the sneeky suspicion that the color on the 10D isn't
all that good.

Why do I say this, not having a 10D myself. I'm reading more and
more forum posts about those that are missing their D30 because of
the color it produces.

Is the final color product of the 10D worse, not better than the D30?

I would expect the final color of the 10D to be that much better,
not worse.

What's the truth?

--
Mishkin

--

• Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.
• http://www.pbase.com/jchung/portfolio

 

[SVJIM]

I thought RAW would be indepent of color space. That sRGB and AdobeRGB are 'extracted' if you will from the RAW image data which is large enough to cover both color spaces?

Jim

Or hack ACR for use on 10D RAWs -- and use it now -- works fine for
me.

--
Yann
http://www.pbase.com/ykeesing

--
Photography should be fun

http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

 

[Thomas Gardner]

you invited nothing but flames when you started this stupid
thread.........

No I wasn't. The only people I'll get flames from are people that like to flame.

why bring up old news.........

I wasn't bringing up old news, I was making comment based upon the different threads that I've read of late.

the D30/60 have had their day,

No they haven't. The D30/D60 are still having their day as they're still a valid sensor body even if you don't want to think so. Mine's working just fine, irrespective of your behavior.

the 10D is now making history and does a very good job for those
who really understand how to use it.

Well, since I don't have one, I don't have a clue yet what to expect but the comments by others raised a valid concern.

but this thread is just all about you.

It sure is as it's all about my personal concern about what others have had to say about the color output of the 10D.

My oh my but your trolling skill are very poor. We'll give you a rest by not responding to anymore of your comments in this thread. Maybe in another thread but not in this one.

 

[hawkeye1]

you invited nothing but flames when you started this stupid
thread.........

No I wasn't. The only people I'll get flames from are people that
like to flame.

why bring up old news.........

I wasn't bringing up old news, I was making comment based upon the
different threads that I've read of late.

the D30/60 have had their day,

No they haven't. The D30/D60 are still having their day as they're
still a valid sensor body even if you don't want to think so.
Mine's working just fine, irrespective of your behavior.

the 10D is now making history and does a very good job for those
who really understand how to use it.

Well, since I don't have one, I don't have a clue yet what to
expect but the comments by others raised a valid concern.

but this thread is just all about you.

It sure is as it's all about my personal concern about what others
have had to say about the color output of the 10D.

My oh my but your trolling skill are very poor. We'll give you a
rest by not responding to anymore of your comments in this thread.
Maybe in another thread but not in this one.

 

[gdsf2]

He too always changes his story...

Remember when you posted this:
"10D sample up at Steve's site!!!!..don't cry now"

Your post read:

"now i'm really glad that i returned the 10D and kept the D60.........don't cry to hard now..........

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/10d_samples.html "

So, you buy a 10D, then you return your 10D and bash it on the forum, then you defend the 10D and say the D60 belongs to the past.

Do you really have an opinion, or are you just trolling around?

Jerry

p.s. The 10D colors are great. Some people still don't understand color management and are viewing Adobe RGB pics in sRGB space and the colors look flat. Not a camera issue, just a user issue.

 

[hawkeye1]

He too always changes his story...

Remember when you posted this:
"10D sample up at Steve's site!!!!..don't cry now"

Your post read:

"now i'm really glad that i returned the 10D and kept the
D60.........don't cry to hard now..........

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/10d_samples.html "

So, you buy a 10D, then you return your 10D and bash it on the
forum, then you defend the 10D and say the D60 belongs to the past.

Do you really have an opinion, or are you just trolling around?

Jerry

p.s. The 10D colors are great. Some people still don't understand
color management and are viewing Adobe RGB pics in sRGB space and
the colors look flat. Not a camera issue, just a user issue.

 

[Yanny]

2 nights ago I shot a dancing event, about 50 photos all together in RAW Adobe RGB, custom white-balanced. When I got home and reviewed the RAWs in Canon file viewer, color was totally fine. Then I extracted the JPEGs which were also perfect when I opened them in Photoshop. Then I decided to open the RAWs in Adobe Camera Raw to do my convertions (much faster than the Canon utility) and this is when the color probelm came up, the saturation, colors were totally off, way too saturated. I tried different temperatures, different color spaces within ACR but there was no way I could save those images. They looked like they went through hard polarization.

I did not do more testing but I suspect ACR to not be fully ready with the 10D quite yet, strange thing is that I used ACR before on 10D sRGB images and did not come across this problem...still invastigating.

Jim

Or hack ACR for use on 10D RAWs -- and use it now -- works fine for
me.

--
Yann
http://www.pbase.com/ykeesing

--
Photography should be fun

http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

--
Yann
http://www.pbase.com/ykeesing

 

[hawkeye1]

LMAO.........listen Jerry, you should know by now that i'm never serious when i spew garbage in a thread that gone rabid.......by that i mean that a new member (whether or not they are newbies or veteran photographers) comes here and posts a question, that out of 20-100 replies, maybe just maybe, 5% of those replies stayed on topic........the rest from people like Dave Lewis, Lew, or Jim davidson and the like usually strayed off so badly, that i just enjoy stepping on their delicate tails...........in which they usually retort to name calling (they're so easy).

you on the other hand have always given sound replies and advice, but now you too have resorted to flame bait........so i ask, who's really trolling here?

 

[MAC]

10D --exposure and srgb and Adobe rgb -- all improved! Folks just need to learn to use. D30 ok, but 10D excellent.

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/albums/album55/bluebfy.jpg

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album55/bflyorange

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album55/BFLY_pinkflowers

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album55/bflypink

D30

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album55/fingertip

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album55/julia

MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com

 

[Nickle S.]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4258988

 

[gdsf2]

Hawkeye, your reply is again a little Clintonish (yes, he was my least favorite President). Correct me if I'm wrong, but you told me that you like to flame bait when a thread has "gone rabid" and then you tell me I am trolling, because I flame baited you.

I'll make you a deal. You stop flame baiting and I'll not comment about your posts. Please let me know if this is acceptable? If it is, I am sure it will make you, me, and many other people very happy.

Jerry

LMAO.........listen Jerry, you should know by now that i'm never
serious when i spew garbage in a thread that gone rabid.......by
that i mean that a new member (whether or not they are newbies or
veteran photographers) comes here and posts a question, that out of
20-100 replies, maybe just maybe, 5% of those replies stayed on
topic........the rest from people like Dave Lewis, Lew, or Jim
davidson and the like usually strayed off so badly, that i just
enjoy stepping on their delicate tails...........in which they
usually retort to name calling (they're so easy).
you on the other hand have always given sound replies and advice,
but now you too have resorted to flame bait........so i ask, who's
really trolling here?

 

[Stuart M. Robinson]

Mac,

Great pictures - but unless the ISO values were different, don't you think the D10 pictures look really noisy in the out-of-focus areas compared to the clean D30 images?

 

[SCOR]

Bottom line is you don't have the camera - full disclosure or not. If your relying on what people here say to support your evaluation of the 10D colors, that's even worse. Go to the store with your CF card and shoot some pics if you REALLY want to know how it performs.

Your post is ripping a product you've never seen based on total hearsay.

That's not fair.

Thomas, it's really not fair to make this comment when you don't
even have the 10D. Are you trying to start something?

Where are you getting that from. I commented that I didn't have
the 10D as an admission of the facts. I followed up in my comment
that I was basing my concern on comments by others that have had
the D30 and the 10D.

I swanny, people look for trouble where there isn't any.

Please, if you're sincere in your above comment, go back and reread
my original post.

 

[MAC]

Stuart, there is Hardly any noise in 10D -- at ISO 400, it appears to be better than 1D. Here is ISO 400 shot:

Mac,

Great pictures - but unless the ISO values were different, don't
you think the D10 pictures look really noisy in the out-of-focus
areas compared to the clean D30 images?

--
MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com

 

[SCOR]

This is not corrected by just adjusting saturation in camera -
although I suppose someone with the correct profiles can do it in
PhotoShop.

Complexions definitely appear lighter than natural - which makes
them appear easier to get looking natural, and makes them more
cosmetic - so people with light complexions look better on the 10D.
In the fashion and TV business we often did this deliberately to
favor the model. The overall default color balance on the 10D
seems to favor light complexions.

This can easily be seen on MacGrath Rollover on Phil's 10D review.

However, there are some of us who are going to want to hold on to our
D30's and D60's.

I'm getting the sneeky suspicion that the color on the 10D isn't
all that good.

Why do I say this, not having a 10D myself. I'm reading more and
more forum posts about those that are missing their D30 because of
the color it produces.

Is the final color product of the 10D worse, not better than the D30?

I would expect the final color of the 10D to be that much better,
not worse.

What's the truth?