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I really like most of the spec of the K-01 and even it's appearance. The real stumbling block for me is the lack of eye level finder.

Live view will work fine for pancakes, but with a large telephoto or zoom, I think a finder is going to be critical for avoiding shake at slower speeds and for general comfort in shooting for long periods. We can forget tripods for the intended use (reactive travel shooting)

Does anyone here shoot tele or zooms on your DSLR using only live view? Do you have any tricks for keeping it comfortable and making it work for you?

A built in finder would likely have made the body larger, so I'm happy with the decision not to build one in, but not including an add on EVF for larger lenses seems like an oversight, and for me, unfortunately a critical one.

-Najinsky
 
Then wait for the inevitable model with a VF? It's fascinating how people somehow think this is the only camera Pentax will make. On top of that, the choices are pretty simple right now:

Don't need a viewfinder, but still want to shave a bit, not worry about a clacking mirror when being discreet is needed? K01, which will still give you a nice grip for heavier lenses.

Need a viewfinder? K5.

SIMPLE.
Najinsky said:
I really like most of the spec of the K-01 and even it's appearance. The real stumbling block for me is the lack of eye level finder.

Live view will work fine for pancakes, but with a large telephoto or zoom, I think a finder is going to be critical for avoiding shake at slower speeds and for general comfort in shooting for long periods. We can forget tripods for the intended use (reactive travel shooting)

Does anyone here shoot tele or zooms on your DSLR using only live view? Do you have any tricks for keeping it comfortable and making it work for you?

A built in finder would likely have made the body larger, so I'm happy with the decision not to build one in, but not including an add on EVF for larger lenses seems like an oversight, and for me, unfortunately a critical one.

-Najinsky
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At some point, Pentax will release a real DSLR with either the same sensor as the K-01 or some other sensor that is improved over the K5, and one that will hopefully not have the Lego toy look that the K-01 has.

I can wait, the K-01 has absolutely no appeal to me because of the lack of a viewfinder, and honestly with the state of EVFs right now, even an EVF wouldn't make the thing any more desirable than it is now.
 
snake_b said:
Then wait for the inevitable model with a VF? It's fascinating how people somehow think this is the only camera Pentax will make. On top of that, the choices are pretty simple right now:

Don't need a viewfinder, but still want to shave a bit, not worry about a clacking mirror when being discreet is needed? K01, which will still give you a nice grip for heavier lenses.

Need a viewfinder? K5.

SIMPLE.
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Well aren't you opinionated. My post was asking for help, you don't have any to offer so you attack the requirement. Is it so hard to refrain from butting in where you have nothing to contribute? Yes, it was rhetorical.

-Najinsky
 
Michael de Ruijter said:
We had a little chat about this two weeks or so ago. See here for a starting point on opinions etc etc etc.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=40484347&page=1

The debate remains open. Pros and cons all over the place...
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Thanks, an interesting read, three points conveniently spread over three pages! This forum is in need of a boost in its signal to noise ratio!

I'll report back if I find assistance somewhere, help to do my bit.

-Najinsky
 
I don't think it was designed for long lenses, even though it can attach them.
 
It is not a mistake or oversight. They already sell the k-5. The k-5 HAS a viewfinder.

If you need a viewfinder, get the k-5.
 
Omg, "stop being so opinionated!"

The op is going to come back at you, all butthurt about that comment.
citrontokyo said:
It is not a mistake or oversight. They already sell the k-5. The k-5 HAS a viewfinder.

If you need a viewfinder, get the k-5.
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citrontokyo said:
It is not a mistake or oversight. They already sell the k-5. The k-5 HAS a viewfinder.

If you need a viewfinder, get the k-5.
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I don't ONLY need a viewfinder, a system encompasses multiple requirements, which I have conveniently constructed into a requirements list.

The K-01 fits ALL the requirements except for the issue of how focus heavier lenses. I am therefore interested in discussing this one requirement in context of a K-01.

Holding a camera with a heavy lens up to the eye reduces Torque (the tendency of a force to rotate an object about an axis). Conversely holding it away from the body increases Torque. It's very simple physics.

I am not interested in whether you think I need a K-5. I already know I don't.

-Najinsky
 
snake_b said:
Omg, "stop being so opinionated!"

The op is going to come back at you, all butthurt about that comment.
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Yes he is.

Here's what I asked:
Najinsky said:
Does anyone here shoot tele or zooms on your DSLR using only live view? Do you have any tricks for keeping it comfortable and making it work for you?
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In what way does "get a k-5' begin to help with that request? It doesn't it, and worse, it distracts from it. And worse still, it's just downright rude. How would you like it if I started posting meaningless comments to your requests? Does anonymity have to equate to an absence of good manners? Yes, it was rhetorical.

-Najinsky
 
I'm pretty much faced with the same dilemma. How to achieve better stability. My camera shake is awful... horrendous... so any additional stability is welcome. But by the same token any reduction in stability is not welcome.

I think the K-01 is awesome. But I'm not sure I'm capable of producing good images with it.

Maybe I should fix a set of crosshairs to the flash hot shoe to help my "aim"...

I also appreciate that adding a viewfinder would increase the cost.

Oh well, c'est la vie.

-Mike
Najinsky said:
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Holding a camera with a heavy lens up to the eye reduces Torque (the tendency of a force to rotate an object about an axis). Conversely holding it away from the body increases Torque. It's very simple physics.

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-Najinsky
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Too funny, you were exactly right!
 
citrontokyo said:
Too funny, you were exactly right!
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Seriously, what do you expect?

Here's what I asked:
Najinsky said:
Does anyone here shoot tele or zooms on your DSLR using only live view? Do you have any tricks for keeping it comfortable and making it work for you?
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In what way does "get a k-5' begin to help with that request?

I refuse to believe you lack the intelligence to understand that you weren't addressing my request. So what is the conclusion to be drawn? That you just like to hijack threads as a soapbox for expressing your love of all things K-5? Is hijacking threads for soapboxing really how you wan't the DPR forums to run? Or would you rather they served a useful purpose?

-Najinsky
 
Hi,
i don't know why people insist in using long lenses handheld !

I always use a tripod with all my lenses even if the shutter speed is fast enough, you will have the maximum IQ and ease of composition when using a tripod.

Sure if your taking street photography a tripod is not practical.

I admit that sometimes i don't us e a tripod but it's when i really can't use one that i do so.

If you really need an EVF there is other MLC or a DSLR will do that for you...maybe the next MLC from Pentax will have one ???
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Your use of the word "critical" belies any intetion of yours to purchase the k-01. In fact, you used it twice in reference to a viewfinder. Your questions, on the other hand, come off as less important queries when sandwiched between these two "critical" phrases.

Perhaps, to avoid any mis-communication in the future, you might like to refrain from writing things that you don't really mean.
 
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