New Sony A700

[pdqgp]

anyone else care to take a 40D break and check out the new A700?

interesting to me since, and I could be wrong, but is the sensor the same as the new Nikon systems?

images here: http://www.fotopolis.pl/index.php?n=6327

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[Ken_5D]

anyone else care to take a 40D break and check out the new A700?

interesting to me since, and I could be wrong, but is the sensor the
same as the new Nikon systems?

images here: http://www.fotopolis.pl/index.php?n=6327

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-tim
Columbus, Ohio
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Note the same sensor

Nikon
14 bit AD off sensor (14 bit AD only 2.5 FPS)
Slight taller by a handful of pixels

Sony
12 bit AD on the sensor.. new sensor design to cut noise from the circuit path.

There may be shared technologies around the sensor site bit THE Sensor is not the same unit.

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[shotgunRed]

i think you are on the wrong forum.
thy this one...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1009

 

[chrswggl]

Some people are actually interested in learning about all aspects of photography, shotgun. To only follow Canon news is to cut out all the wonderful advancements that are being made by their competitors. Thus, it is definitely an appropriate topic for this forum.

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[mbradich]

Those ISO3200 samples from A700 posted at fotopolis.pl don't really convince me, they look like scanned magazine print. There was another thread on Sony forum showing links to Sony's own page with high quality samples. Big images with lots of detail, but they had a certain look I didn't find appealing at all, reminded me of CCD images. ISO 100 images posted at fotopolis.pl look like plastic and scream Noise Reduction at you

I guess Canon was not simply naive and uninformed (or protecting the 5D) as people say when they decided to stick to 10MP sensor.

 

[dwill23]

does this guy read any reviews on this site?

Nikon is at the mercy of Sony since nikon buys all of it's sensor from sony.

Nikon sees canon coming out with 22mp, and askes sony "c'mon please make something better so we can compete with canon! ahh!!"

the D80 and D40X both use the same 10mp sony sensor as in the sony 10mp DSLR.

duuuhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Lajos Hajdu]

... that the competition has overtaken Canon in terms of features. Weather-sealing in non-pro models, in-body image stabilisation, focus adjustment, 12 megapixels... The big question will be image quality.

Anyway, I have too big a lens arsenal to leave Canon. Also, the 40D will still be more of a camera than I am a photographer... (now I have a very used 350D).

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[EvanDavies]

I use Canon gear but I'm a photographer not a manufacturer evangelist so I do look at Nikon and others to see what the "competition" is up to.

Nikons do have some nice features that Canon's don't have but for me the main issue is image quality and from what I've seen nothing can match Canon's low ISO output and smooth colour rendition.

Its pretty clear that 10MP APS-C is the limit for low noise output with todays technology. 12MP APS-C relies too heavily on (destructive) noise reduction and I think these cameras are aimed to entice the punters and P&S converts who catch on to the buzz words like MegaPixels. Its understandable that someone new to DSLRs will be overwhelmed with choice and capabilities so something simple to measure that can be compared between cameras makes it easier for them to choose.

Its only a matter of time for the next breakthrough so we just have to enjoy what we have...

 

[Marcus Beard]

Looks like you cannot read either. Nikon have started to develop their own sensors. The OP did not ask a stupid question.

Be careful to knwo what you are talking about before dissing others.

Marcus

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[Andyg05]

... that the competition has overtaken Canon in terms of features.
Weather-sealing in non-pro models, in-body image stabilisation, focus
adjustment, 12 megapixels... The big question will be image quality.

True!

Anyway, I have too big a lens arsenal to leave Canon. Also, the 40D
will still be more of a camera than I am a photographer... (now I
have a very used 350D).

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So, is the upcoming D300. More pro ergonomics, (at a price of course) and so on, and so on.

Anyway, I'm selling my 30D together with the 17-85 ,70-200 F4L and the 580EX. I'll wait till Nov. this year to see whether I'll rejoin NK.

In any case upgrading my gear will not make me a better photographer. Honestly though, I can't resist the excitement of unpaking a more sophisticated toy...

 

[Pace3000]

I take this forum to be a discussion on Canon 10D to 40D bodies, and related topics. I don't see how comparing the new Sony to a Nikon is part of this.

The alternative is that this is a forum for Canon x0D owners. Even still, does this mean that it should contain any content that could be of interest to Canon owners? Perhaps if people came on and asked what we think of the Sony vs our Canons I could see the point, but if it's simply for notification, then should they post to each individual forum? In this scenario, we might as well scrap the news page as well.

I don't want to get into a flame war, but what do people genuinely think should be posted here? This area isn't really covered by the rules.

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Paul.

30D/17-40f4/24-70f2.8/70-200f4/50f1.4/580EX

 

[DRG]

... that the competition has overtaken Canon in terms of features.
Weather-sealing in non-pro models ...

Previews of the A700 state that the battery door has no seals. Reviewers are also starting to note that there are no standards for weather sealing or proof that any of the cameras making such claims are actually better than any of their competitors. Right now, we're in a marketing war in need of some actual testing (but not with actual water ... Sony warns that the A700 isn't splashproof).

David

 

[pdqgp]

I posted this here as I'm interested in how folks using and shooting Canon feel. I wanted to open the discussion up among mainly Canon folks vs trying to route everyone over to another forum where things will quickly become more watered down by Sony Shooters and flame wars tend to begin and just as quickly take the discussion off-topic.

These forums and the rules aren't strictly based on what the hardware has stamped on the front of it. Regardless of the name on this camera, I want Canon users opinions and involvement here in our forum.

Thanks for participating....and welcome to the forums. I hope the past few months have been helpful.

I take this forum to be a discussion on Canon 10D to 40D bodies, and
related topics. I don't see how comparing the new Sony to a Nikon is
part of this.

The alternative is that this is a forum for Canon x0D owners. Even
still, does this mean that it should contain any content that could
be of interest to Canon owners? Perhaps if people came on and asked
what we think of the Sony vs our Canons I could see the point, but if
it's simply for notification, then should they post to each
individual forum? In this scenario, we might as well scrap the news
page as well.

I don't want to get into a flame war, but what do people genuinely
think should be posted here? This area isn't really covered by the
rules.

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Paul.

30D/17-40f4/24-70f2.8/70-200f4/50f1.4/580EX

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-tim
NW Columbus/Dublin, Ohio
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp

 

[pdqgp]

this guy??? has been here and around for quite a while and I also know that regardless of who OEM's the product to who, that doesn't mean the sensors are the same.

BTW, Nikon isn't at mercy to Sony....they have a contract with Sony and they are a customer of Sony. They agree to produce products under specific guidelines for a set period of time and during that time Nikon agrees to buy a specified number of sensors. Sony is very likely happy to have their products in a make with such a name and legacy as Nikon.

does this guy read any reviews on this site?

Nikon is at the mercy of Sony since nikon buys all of it's sensor
from sony.

Nikon sees canon coming out with 22mp, and askes sony "c'mon please
make something better so we can compete with canon! ahh!!"

the D80 and D40X both use the same 10mp sony sensor as in the sony
10mp DSLR.

duuuhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
lenses make the image, the camera only records it. my zoom is my
feet, not my fingers, don't be lazy, buy primes

--
-tim
NW Columbus/Dublin, Ohio
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp

 

[PeaceFrog]

The Sony seems like a bit of a let-down after the D300 announcement. I do like the weather seals though, at least Sony looks like they did the job right on that feature unlike Canon with the 40D.

Greg

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[pdqgp]

Thanks for your input. I too am interested in the industry as a whole and while no one camera has everything perfect...none that I can afford....I enjoy seeing how each manufacturer positions products and what features they include.

Interesting to see Sony make a stand that they aren't interested in LiveView just yet...not until they feel it's technology and use is ironed out a bit more.

IMO the samples I've seen from the new Sony are just okay. I can tell a huge difference between RAW and Jpeg at High ISO's and that's evident in these images. They suffer from processing and lack the detail RAW offers.

Overall, I'm happy to see yet another option though.

I use Canon gear but I'm a photographer not a manufacturer evangelist
so I do look at Nikon and others to see what the "competition" is up
to.

Nikons do have some nice features that Canon's don't have but for me
the main issue is image quality and from what I've seen nothing can
match Canon's low ISO output and smooth colour rendition.
Its pretty clear that 10MP APS-C is the limit for low noise output
with todays technology. 12MP APS-C relies too heavily on
(destructive) noise reduction and I think these cameras are aimed to
entice the punters and P&S converts who catch on to the buzz words
like MegaPixels. Its understandable that someone new to DSLRs will
be overwhelmed with choice and capabilities so something simple to
measure that can be compared between cameras makes it easier for them
to choose.

Its only a matter of time for the next breakthrough so we just have
to enjoy what we have...

--
-tim
NW Columbus/Dublin, Ohio
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp

 

[pdqgp]

interesting how neither Sony or Canon on the 40D seal the body from water as they would on a pro body. Both outline more of a moisture and dust seal vs true weather / water sealing them.

I suppose by waterproofing the battery door on the 40D it would allow one to set the camera down on a wet table while out and about?

The Sony seems like a bit of a let-down after the D300 announcement.
I do like the weather seals though, at least Sony looks like they did
the job right on that feature unlike Canon with the 40D.

Greg

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http://www.pbase.com/dadas115/

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-tim
NW Columbus/Dublin, Ohio
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp

 

[santoguapo]

I started the migration to Canon from Minolta earlier this year. I have two KM 7D's and a Canon 30D. I will probably purchase a 40D late this year or early next year and continue to liquidate my Minolta stuff.

That said, I still have a soft spot for Minolta and am interested in where Sony takes it. That said, I am a bit surprised that the new Sony doesn't have live-view (at least I have seen no mention of it yet.). Not that it is a required feature now, but it looks like all new Canons, Nikons and Olympi (is that the plural for Olympus? ;o) have it.

I also like the look of the 7D better. The A700 looks too "Sony" for my blood. I like the ergonomics of the 7D and was suspicious that the 30D would be harder to use. Much the contrary. I am now a big fan of Canon's rear control wheel on both the 30D and 580EX. My biggest complaint with the 30D is that the ISO is not permanently displayed anywhere. I was very happy to see that the 40D has it permanently displayed everywhere!

Back to the A700. I hope it delivers and is an excellent camera. I am happy for my friends still in the Minolta/KM/Sony camp that the 7D replacement has arrived.

It is exciting to see all of these excellent cameras delivered from the various manufacturers. I think it is good for us consumers to see this level of competition.

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Cheerio...
Rich

 

[Phranque]

For new DSLR buyers, (those who have not already signed on to the Canon or Nikon "systems"), the In-Body IS is going to be hard to ignore. Canon and Nikon my have just released their last xxD, xxxD, Dxx, Dxxx systems without built in IS. The main reason will be Marketablity, not usability or quality.

FH3

 

[Ken_5D]

i think you are on the wrong forum.
thy this one...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1009

No..I was passing through saw a question I could answer.

I assumed most people here were like the rest of us, intrested in learning a bit more about the state of photography in general

If you feel a need to do some forum guidance.. why not visit the Sony SLR Fourm and corral a couple of Canon Trolls that like to post negative items about Sony.

Sorry information bothers you....

Must be pretty exciting to have your camera in the stores.. Kudos to Canon on being on the shelves first!
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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com