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The D3 has just been announced. Estimated selling price is $5,000. FX format (36mm x 23.9mm) 12mp just like the Canon 5D. Now we have two DSLR makers moving to full frame, with Sony probably joining the club next year. When, if ever, will Pentax join the club?
 
Pentax will go MF (645D). The image quality from the MF will be so much better than FF.

Dave
 
The D3 has just been announced. Estimated selling price is $5,000.
So full frame isn't getting any cheaper than. Will this start the price battle for full frame?

The 5D body is still almost 4x the price of the K10D in my country which is a big barrier but with competition we might see it get within range of the ordinary user in a 2-3 years. The hurdle is the cost of the FF sensor itself ...

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Pentax will go MF (645D). The image quality from the MF will be so
much better than FF.

Dave
So far medium format has not been good at high ISO settings. Not sure if the 645D can change that. Besides, these are different markets. People who own 35mm format lenses cannot use them on a medium format camera.

I think full frame 35mm will finally put an end to the 4/3 format. The next format to go will be APS-C, but that would be years, may be even a decade or two, in the future. But make no mistake, full frame is the future, and the future has just arrived.
 
The D3 has just been announced. Estimated selling price is $5,000.
FX format (36mm x 23.9mm) 12mp just like the Canon 5D. Now we have
two DSLR makers moving to full frame, with Sony probably joining the
club next year. When, if ever, will Pentax join the club?
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Its not the future, cause when you all get it you'll want something better again.

What about people who don't want the weight of a FF camera and lens system.

Besides while Canon can flog off APS-C cameras and still charge a premium for FF they will.

All this in a world where electronics are getting smaller not bigger.
The next big thing will be losing the mirrorbox in dSLR's.

Then i also suspect someone will come up with a new smaller and lighter camera mount as well.
Pentax will go MF (645D). The image quality from the MF will be so
much better than FF.

Dave
So far medium format has not been good at high ISO settings. Not
sure if the 645D can change that. Besides, these are different
markets. People who own 35mm format lenses cannot use them on a
medium format camera.

I think full frame 35mm will finally put an end to the 4/3 format.
The next format to go will be APS-C, but that would be years, may be
even a decade or two, in the future. But make no mistake, full frame
is the future, and the future has just arrived.
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The D3 has just been announced. Estimated selling price is $5,000.
FX format (36mm x 23.9mm) 12mp just like the Canon 5D. Now we have
two DSLR makers moving to full frame, with Sony probably joining the
club next year. When, if ever, will Pentax join the club?
I predict I shall be pleased I own all this FF glass ;-}

It's good news for all!

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But make no mistake, full frame
is the future, and the future has just arrived.
... the very select few i.e. those who have the need and are prepared to spend so much on a body also need to be invested in nothing but the very best lenses. Big investment.

The D3 is all about speed and power. Nikon are obviously packing in as much grunt as they can muster together with the newly developed CMOS. This is so far removed from the ordinary user it isn't funny. I guess the hope is that some (sensor) will trickle down to the average photographer in time - it hasn't happened with the 5D yet (a big step below the D3, after all it's in a different market). I wonder when Nikon will introduce the FX sensor to the mid range body? I think we are still a long, long way off seeing it available at a value-for-money price (and do you have the lenses to make use of it?).

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Now we have
two DSLR makers moving to full frame, with Sony probably joining the
club next year. When, if ever, will Pentax join the club?
Probably never.

No, Full Frame will always be the niche top end curiosity for the majority of camera users. It will not become mainstream, and no, it is not the future.

If you really want full frame, my advice is to look at Nikon and Canon offering now.
 
But make no mistake, full frame
is the future, and the future has just arrived.
... the very select few i.e. those who have the need and are prepared
to spend so much on a body also need to be invested in nothing but
the very best lenses. Big investment.

The D3 is all about speed and power. Nikon are obviously packing in
as much grunt as they can muster together with the newly developed
CMOS. This is so far removed from the ordinary user it isn't funny.
I guess the hope is that some (sensor) will trickle down to the
average photographer in time - it hasn't happened with the 5D yet (a
big step below the D3, after all it's in a different market). I
wonder when Nikon will introduce the FX sensor to the mid range body?
I think we are still a long, long way off seeing it available at a
value-for-money price (and do you have the lenses to make use of it?).
I have to agree with Brett here. The future is aps-c simply because of its lower price. Nothing has really changed for me. I simply don't need full frame as aps-c is a better solution for me.
 
Mainstream, of course not. But soon as you step above the rim of entry level, FF is getting more common.

Before this anouncement, Nikon had 3 1.5x crop Semi-Pro and Pro bodies. And no FF. Today they now have 1 1.5x crop body and 1 FF body. And they might have another in the future D3X. But at any rate, they have gone from 3 APS bodies to 1.

Canon has 1, 1, and 2. One of the bodies is half way to full frame. 2 others are FF, and their 1.6x body is rapidly heading towards the entry level market. By Canon's next generation. They will probably have demoted the 50D to be out of the semi-pro all together. And the 1DIV will go FF. So no APS left there before long, but even today Canon has little APS. Just a few years ago the 1DsII was their only FF body.

You say it's a niche thing and is not the future, go look at Nikon and Canon, yet, yesterday if you said that, you could only say look at Canon. The fact that you now have to include Nikon says that you are wrong. FF is taking over the Semi-Pro and up market.

Then comes Sony. A semi-pro 1.5x crop body soon to come. But a FF body to come too. So then you will have "if you want FF, go look at Canon, Nikon, Sony". Kinda running out of non FF stuff there now arn't we?

FF won't take over in entry level anytime soon, if ever. And while Entry level and down is the lions share of bodies. It's not what you look at when you define a company or what the market is doing. The world is going FF.
Now we have
two DSLR makers moving to full frame, with Sony probably joining the
club next year. When, if ever, will Pentax join the club?
Probably never.
No, Full Frame will always be the niche top end curiosity for the
majority of camera users. It will not become mainstream, and no, it
is not the future.

If you really want full frame, my advice is to look at Nikon and
Canon offering now.
 
... but that would be years, may be
even a decade or two, in the future.
20 years ago there was not a single digital camera in the world. so I think we will be much past full frame, likely to something we don't even know of yet.

3D or holographic type cameras may be the future, we may not even use the term pixels to describe cameras or monitors, as organic materials begin to become the future.

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Mainstream, of course not. But soon as you step above the rim of
entry level, FF is getting more common.
Not yet it isn't. The 5D is still the lowest spec and cheapest FF model and (depending where you shop) it is 3 or 4 times the price of a K10D. The new Nikon D3 is specced and priced miles above that. Like I said elsewhere, there will be eventual trickle down to cheaper models but we are a long way of having anything in FF that represents anything like value-for-money.

Having said that, if Pentax were to spring a bunny from the FF hat any time in the next 1-2 years at an even half reasonable price I am ready with my FA Limiteds etc. Don't bother with average lenses, they would be tested too much by where these FF sensors are headed to...

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The Journey is the Thing
 
Mainstream, of course not. But soon as you step above the rim of
entry level, FF is getting more common.
I think you have to step a little higher than the rim of entry level. More like the rim of semi-pro level (is that the same as advanced amateur?). The Canon 5D (the cheapest FF camera) is right on the expensive edge of semi-pro IMO.

Bart
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in te past, the moment something new was announced, this forum would be full off, "why I skip"and "why I stay" and "what would this mean??" posts...
Hardly any now but wow at Canon they sure act weird....

Lots of "worry worry","don't worry canon is still stronger"(but a lot of those with a clear desperation in it )- posts.....
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