Uh oh...the student threatens the teacher (6 imgs)

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Well, as many of you know, I had purchased an H1 for my stepfather a bit over a year ago, which I was fortunate enough to play with alot. This was a big motivating factor for getting the H5 - I had the chance to borrow his H1 and grow addicted to that big zoom and IS since he only used the camera when he went on vacation.

Well, I had routinely showed him my pics with HIS camera, usually with a courteous response 'nice pics' or something of the like...demonstrating that looking at someone else's vacation photos was not the peak of his day even with his own camera involved.

His vacation shots were...to put it kindly...average. He never really contemplated any photographic rules or techniques, other than 'point camera, press button.' Many dark photos, many blurry photos, lots of heads in the way, tilted horizons...the usual snapshooter stuff. And I figured at age 68, he was not likely to change.

Wasn't I surprised to be asked one day to explain the camera a bit more, and to tell him how to get better shots with it...including some basic photography techniques! I endeavored to teach him what I could before his next vacation - the son teaching the father - how shutter and aperture worked, rule of thirds, how to use the different metering modes, half-pressing for focus lock, using spot focus, what the histogram is, how to manually set white balance, etc. Who knows how much would possibly be remembered - but his photographs couldn't get any more 'average' (read: bad).

Off he went to Alaska a few weeks ago. Upon returning, he brought me his H1, and asked me to load the shots (as I always do for him since he doesn't use a computer) on a CD, and then he'd develop them (the CD is for backup and TV playback). Quickly, I noticed that less than 20 of 250 shots were throwaways...far less than the usual 1/3. I also noticed that the other shots had far fewer errors than normal - no heads in shots, no fingers in the lens, solid white balance, indoor shots not too dark. Hmmm...could the old dog have learned a new trick or two? Looking through more...I suddenly became aware of...composition! Actual use of composition.

Uh oh. These pics are actually pretty good. Have I gone too far? I had an edge over him in photographic knowledge...but now that I've given away that advantage, his experience and ability to travel much more than I gives him an edge over me now! My student is competing with me.

I want to share a few of my student's shots from Alaska...and let the STF decide how the student is doing!:













But wait...there's more! They even get better. I'll post some more in a new reply so I don't overload one thread with too many...

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taken from a moving train!:





And here is the student. Let me first point out that my stepfather is a serious, dry-humor, Finnish, retired doctor. Fun is not in his creed. My mother was handed the controls of the H1 for a vacation snapshot of my stepfather and their friend (a much more vociferous, fun-loving gay man who gets along more with my mother's outgoing personality). It's not hard to figure out who's the serious one and who's the outgoing one...yet surprisingly, a classic gesture of humor from the serious Finn!:



(yes...my stepfather is the one on the left doing the bunny ears).

Comments welcome. Harsh or nice...doesn't matter - he doesn't go on the computer anyway so he'll never see it! ;)

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He's going to give you a run for your money! Maybe you could console yourself by saying, "The scenery was so spectacular, how could he help but take good pictures!" Or just accept that as his teacher, you too are a part of the great shots. (Just he gets the credit for the deleted ones! LOL)
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Karen
 
You're in trouble. As well you should be, calling him "old"!!! He he!
Some of us mature youth can still learn a few new tricks!
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Hi Justin,

What do you mean you figured he would never learn at 68? Actually my interest is partly professional, at 59 I am just completing a PhD on the needs of older people when using and learning computers, it is all written up and the final defense is in November. So for years I have been surrounded by people in their late 70s and 80s learning to use computers. They often inspire me by their persistence and willingness. On this range your father does not yet qualify as old. But in another sense you are right, I find in my self that learning gets slower (and harder) as I get older and I certainly see this in the older people I work with. Things do not get into memory the first time round, or they learn something one day and forget it the next – and this may happen with the exact same thing for weeks. Balancing a number of simultaneous things to remember under these conditions can make starting to learn something complex like a computer or a digital camera a mass of getting things wrong. But with persistence and with good natured patience on the part of instructors who understand what older people need when learning instead of patronizing them, older people get to be competent. Which I am very glad of as 60 happens to me in months! It looks as if your step-father got comfortable with the camera, then later had the space in his head to add some techniques so he chose the schedule on which he learnt. You will next find him wanting a PC and Photoshop. Which is not impossible but is a hell of a long haul.

I definitely like some of his shots, I would have been insufferably proud of some of them after my first year of photography! I like your pleasure in his success, a lot! Good one Justin!

Dan

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Justin,

i think he had an good teacher .......... and he did well.

i still love my H1 for many reasons......... maybe i'm to conservative.

i'll never go for the newest ...... camera's or anything else.

if something works well and i'm satisfied why should i change.

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Nice story, Justin.
Thanks for the smile.

Bye,

 
Is he a father of the old days that believe that his sun can still be punished?
Be careful and prepared.

Now, seriously, with a professor like you, I think everyone can learn. He was just amusing himself and, on the first occasion, he proved who was smarter. He must be a good chest player.
Best wishes.
 
Hi Justin --

I really liked your step-father's pics, and believe that
(a) the scenery might just be spectacular enough not to screw it up, but
(b) you ought to take some pride in his accomplishments.

My only quibble was in composition of the 2nd photo in your 1st set of 6. I had a real positive reaction to all the other photos, but this one needed either more sky (my preference) or more water. I couldn't decide which was his area of emphasis -- water, land, or sky -- as the waterline was down the middle. But this is just a quibble. The pack-ice / glacier photos were really fascinating, and I loved the river (?) photo that ran from upper right to lower left -- it just pulled my eyeballs along it ------- a VERY successful student of a very able teacher. Congratulations !!

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John from Indiana
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I think he did a bang up job!

Young folks always seem to learn quickly! ;-)

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They remind me of a photograph I have sadly lost. My son borrowed my camera to take to a combined schools function.(a small cheap canon, before I became enlightened!). Our prime minister was there, and Charlie got someone to shoot a picture of himself with her. You guessed it... he made bunny ears! I couldn't decide whether I was embarrassed or proud of the little brat!

Your Dad has done well. My Dad has barely touched the camera I got him.
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Justin, you really must watch who you are calling old!-:) At 65 with only a couple of years behind a camera and having owned a computer only since retirement, I am the one giving advice on what buttons do what on Sony cameras, doing income tax on computer for offspring and helping upgrade RAM etc. Yes indeed, old dogs can learn new tricks. Great shots by you step father and while these may be pictures from trip to Alaska, I will eat my hat if second shot in first series is not the North Shore mountains in Vancouver. In fact, 90 degrees from the shot in following link which I offered as an example for you to tear apart......which you did quite nicely thank you.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=18912315

Looking forward to more shots from your step father and more competition for you younger folks.

Bill

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WOW, great compostion and exposure. With such rich subject matter you would think Alaska would be a no brainer, but someone with less of a photographic eye would have mucked them up.
 
that's not threatening, that's wonderful. If his skill turns out to be greater than yours, you will always be the one who unlocked his talent.

The student threatening the teacher is when the big student at the back of the class that you told to put his hockey stick in the corner of the room because he kept poking people with it, comes up and sticks the blade of the hockey stick into your neck.
Cool photos.
John Dunn
 
and the bad ones are all him. That's a good way to look at it! ;)

There are many more which are memories - vacation shots with friends and family that aren't necessarily those I'd post, but even those showed marked improvement - with better flash control, and better composition.

Thanks for looking! I'll pass on the good word...let him know he's an internet star!

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He always had a camera with him on trips...he just never really knew how to use them other than fully auto mode. I can commiserate, because I've had cameras for 25 years and not until 3 years ago did I really start learning this stuff!

I tried with the computers too - my mother took to it like a duck to water (shocking, considering she STILL can't figure out the VCR)...but he just could not make friends with the device and after a few months of intermittent trying, gave up.

Fortunately, his own curiosity and desire to learn led him to ask questions about the camera.

Thanks for looking...I think everyone's got to have a few rabbit ears photos in their archives!

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Justin
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I wouldn't call him anything he wouldn't utter himself. I admit I didn't think he wanted to learn more about photography at 68...just because he didn't seem to have the interest or the motivation. But he calls himself the 'Old Dog'. He's even got a t-shirt with it printed on the front! :)

Thanks for looking!

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I had a feeling (and I hoped too!) that some would jump to his defense. Nah...the old references are much in jest...as I noted above the term Old Dog is his own - he uses it often. He's much more accomplished than I've yet been, and possibly more than I'll ever be. He put himself through college and med school from a lower-middle working class Boston home by working multiple jobs, joined the Air Force for his residency and served 6 years, moved to Florida where he founded an Internal Medicine Group...and in a more-than 30 year career became one of the most respected and well known physicians in Boca Raton. I can't compete with that!

He's been taking pictures for many decades...and like me until 3 years ago, was never more than an automatic-mode point-and-shooter. I just didn't think he had enough of an interest in photography to ever want to know more. I had occasionally offered suggestions as I started learning myself, but never got much feedback. I was very happy when he started asking, and taking the time to really listen and learn.
I am just completing a
PhD on the needs of older people when using and learning computers,
it is all written up and the final defense is in November. So for
years I have been surrounded by people in their late 70s and 80s
learning to use computers. They often inspire me by their
persistence and willingness.
Well, I admit I've tried a bunch, and that is one area I've failed completely. I just can't get him to like computers. I tried teaching both he and my mother a few years ago - same lessons, same amount of time devoted. My mother is on her computer 2-3 hours a day, shooting e-mails and booking vacation tickets online. My stepfather says it would be easier for him to teach me Internal Medicine than for me to teach him computers. Maybe I should send him up to you! ;)
I definitely like some of his shots, I would have been insufferably
proud of some of them after my first year of photography! I like
your pleasure in his success, a lot! Good one Justin!
Most definately! He and my mother cruise 6-8 times a year - between 10 and 30 days at a time...all over the world. So the opportunities are fantastic. I'm looking forward to seeing some really nice shots from these places now, instead of a bunch of blurry pics 1/3 blocked by heads through a window with a reflection of the photographer shining back!

Thank you for the wonderful post - I'm sure he'll be tickled to see the response!

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Justin
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I can agree with you completely! No reason to change cameras when you've got a great one that delivers everything you want from it and you enjoy using it! The H1 is great, and can perform excellently in the hands of an expert or a fledgling digital amateur!

Thanks for looking in.

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