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Olympus lens department sucks
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Mark Thornton
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OK, so Olympus doesn't have some lenses you would like.
On the other hand it does have some lenses that don't have close equivalents from the other makes. I like wide to normal zooms like the Olympus 11-22. What is on offer from Canon/Nikon for their APS sensor cameras (ignore the full frame models as too expensive for me)?
Sigma have a 15-30, but that is not as wide and also slower.
On the other hand it does have some lenses that don't have close equivalents from the other makes. I like wide to normal zooms like the Olympus 11-22. What is on offer from Canon/Nikon for their APS sensor cameras (ignore the full frame models as too expensive for me)?
Sigma have a 15-30, but that is not as wide and also slower.
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I don't care for Canon, I use Nikon with zoom lenses for newspaper job only. The Olympus E-1 is my private camera for street, travel and documentary photography. I like it a lot. Some fast primes and new E-x camera would be big plus for four thirds and for all of us! What is so wrong with it?
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But it will have to be a complex telecentric retrofocus design, and Olympus have demonstrated that even with their cheapest lenses they aren't prepared to compromise with chromatic aberrations, vignetting or other lens defects. So such a short fast lens would probably end up (physically) long, with aspherical and ED glass elements and a bulging front element. So not light, small or cheep.
Mark Thornton
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Olympus is a business. You need to convince them that the market for fast primes is big enough to justify the development and marketing effort. We are getting some fast primes (50mm F2, the 30mm F1.4 from Sigma, and a 25mm is expected from Leica). So what else do you want and what other development are you willing to give up in order to accommodate it within Olympus's limited development resources?
Louis_Dobson
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be a fast wide - this actually became a fisheye (8mm).
a fast macro - this actually became a slowish macro, the 35mm which, while not weathersealed, is sharp enought span both ranges.
fast mid tele that never made sense because it is too close to the 50f2, which IS a fast mid tele.
a 100mm macro, which is reputedly still on the way.
Over reliance on lens road maps is unwise in my view.
I'd not buy a Pentax until theses new zooms actually launch.
I'd not buy Oly lenses until the E3 actually launches - except i'm already in, so...
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a fast macro - this actually became a slowish macro, the 35mm which, while not weathersealed, is sharp enought span both ranges.
fast mid tele that never made sense because it is too close to the 50f2, which IS a fast mid tele.
a 100mm macro, which is reputedly still on the way.
Over reliance on lens road maps is unwise in my view.
I'd not buy a Pentax until theses new zooms actually launch.
I'd not buy Oly lenses until the E3 actually launches - except i'm already in, so...
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I'm ready to pay $1000 for 14mm/f2 and $1500 for 14mm/f1.4
It should be a smaller then 11-22mm/f2.8-3.5, or equal it.
And new E-x could have same type of senzor like Leica M8, so no telecentric design anymore
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It should be a smaller then 11-22mm/f2.8-3.5, or equal it.
And new E-x could have same type of senzor like Leica M8, so no telecentric design anymore
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This is ridiculous. Before photographers used prime lenses that were fairly expensive too, nothing's free. So you are using an ultrazoom, which is better than many others out there. You can also get the F1.4 sigma anyway which is out.
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I have 50mm/f2 macro, I need 14mm, and 45mm not macro, f2 or faster.
Companies who think only about business and forget costumers wishes, will not get far in long term race.
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Companies who think only about business and forget costumers wishes, will not get far in long term race.
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no problem with back/front focusing lenses are alwais sharp , doest metter what fstop and focal length...
but problem is olympus senzor and its size.....
all best
kristian
but problem is olympus senzor and its size.....
all best
kristian
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I like sensor size, I like existing zoom lenses, all what I want are fast prime lenses.
Pentax, Nikon, Canon and Sony have them, WE SHOULD HAVE THEM TOO!
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Pentax, Nikon, Canon and Sony have them, WE SHOULD HAVE THEM TOO!
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Well, Photokina is still ahead...
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i gess you need to see to believe , thats fine , oly. sharpness per pixel cant be compared to canon , i own both.
all best
kristian
all best
kristian
Franka T.L.
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BY that account, I suppose Canon is all wrong in introducuing the EFS-60 macro, or the 50 & 85 1.2 and Sigma really should not think about another Macro like the one that have new ( 70mm )
Read this, what is not being provided does not mean there is not a market for it. It just mean Oly do not or are not prepared to commit to that depth for the system, and that is where the grip is. One have to check that as of today Oly still market the 4/3 as the overriding better digital SYSTEM for photographers. Well, there are many photographers finding its lacking in the " SYSYTEM " manner
And as customers, I do not think any of the guy on this forum or any other thread voicing their discontent about Oly not providing fix focals should get such kind of comment. JUst like Canonite vocing their discontent with back focus, or Nikon user voicing their discontent with D200's banding problem. Here we see Olympus user voicing their discontent with the Mfr inability to support the system as well. If people is finding Zoom is good enough for them, that's fine, but please accpet that many others simply do not think so and not like they should just bend to the will of others and that they should not be asking for those. It's just reasonable for customer to voice their need !!
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Read this, what is not being provided does not mean there is not a market for it. It just mean Oly do not or are not prepared to commit to that depth for the system, and that is where the grip is. One have to check that as of today Oly still market the 4/3 as the overriding better digital SYSTEM for photographers. Well, there are many photographers finding its lacking in the " SYSYTEM " manner
And as customers, I do not think any of the guy on this forum or any other thread voicing their discontent about Oly not providing fix focals should get such kind of comment. JUst like Canonite vocing their discontent with back focus, or Nikon user voicing their discontent with D200's banding problem. Here we see Olympus user voicing their discontent with the Mfr inability to support the system as well. If people is finding Zoom is good enough for them, that's fine, but please accpet that many others simply do not think so and not like they should just bend to the will of others and that they should not be asking for those. It's just reasonable for customer to voice their need !!
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Louis_Dobson
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the sensor size. Struggling through waist deep sea with a heavy camera bag over my head yesterday, I was giving thanks for 4/3rds.
I've got 5D shots and E500 shots. I see no difference in per pixel sharpness.
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I've got 5D shots and E500 shots. I see no difference in per pixel sharpness.
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you have some realy great images at your gallery , too bad there is noise even at iso 100 , it looks like oversharpened , strange all your pics was with e-500 that i saw , i dont think you have 5d , there is no comparation even to 350d and not 5d in IQ.
for your work (mostly landsacape) i would recomend you 5d with 13mp you will have much more detail , more dinamic range , cleaner shots...
all best
kristian
for your work (mostly landsacape) i would recomend you 5d with 13mp you will have much more detail , more dinamic range , cleaner shots...
all best
kristian
Louis_Dobson
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Quality is, to my eye, very similar.
None of my more recent shots (with any of the cameras) have any sharpening - I don't find the pro series Olys or the L series Canons need it.
All WILL have noise though - inevitable consequence of heavy PP. Easy enough to get rid of, but it doesn't bother me...
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None of my more recent shots (with any of the cameras) have any sharpening - I don't find the pro series Olys or the L series Canons need it.
All WILL have noise though - inevitable consequence of heavy PP. Easy enough to get rid of, but it doesn't bother me...
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not only becouse of noise but it also about dof , compared to FF (5d) you louse actualy 2 stops in dof and noise as well.
example e-500 + 50mm at f2.8 is same as
5d + 100mm at f5.6 (same fov and dof)
or 5d + 100mm at f2 (lens cost 400$) and
e-500 +50mm at f1.0(no such lens and probably never will be)
(same dof and fov)
you cant make nice efects with background blur (like you can with FF). plus oly. doesnt have fast primes , but even if they will make some , it should be 2 stops faster than competition to metch FF so its imposible.
i think oly. did huge mistake starting 4/3 system.
all best
kristian
example e-500 + 50mm at f2.8 is same as
5d + 100mm at f5.6 (same fov and dof)
or 5d + 100mm at f2 (lens cost 400$) and
e-500 +50mm at f1.0(no such lens and probably never will be)
(same dof and fov)
you cant make nice efects with background blur (like you can with FF). plus oly. doesnt have fast primes , but even if they will make some , it should be 2 stops faster than competition to metch FF so its imposible.
i think oly. did huge mistake starting 4/3 system.
all best
kristian
Louis_Dobson
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If you view ANYTHING with any saturation on pBASE, the quality will be AWFUL. pBASE is a nightmare, which is why I hardly post anything there. No, the 5D stuff is probabaly not there, I only put the occasional thing up.
Flickr is a reasonable rendering - not brilliant but OKish, given one is working with (spit) JPG.
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Flickr is a reasonable rendering - not brilliant but OKish, given one is working with (spit) JPG.
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