Banding? Fine with me.

[Michael Mohrmann]

We were hoping you would do the heavy lifting for us, Julia.

who are those "we"?

but I doubt you can carry my gear ...

I do some weight lifting... for myself.

Muhammad Ali in his boxing prime was a lightweight compared to you.

 

[SergioRZ]

Maybe you could elaborate a bit more on that "demosaic" theory... why would it have more impact on banding than the interlaced blooming caused by the multi-channel reading in opposite directions?

Ok then, is there some other forum you could tell us about where we
can read better analysis of this artifact? (and others)

what exactly are you interested in about banding? please put your
questions.

--
Julia

 

[jk]

like as if canon doesnt ahve banding issues of their own i saw a link some forum where chuck westfall basicly acknoledged that the 5d has banding issues too

This topic has banding... I can see it... it's definitely defective.

Totally unrealistic and unecessary. You show very little
understanding of what people are talking about here. It's sad

I'd really like to see everybody just getting along fine, trying to
help each other. Isn't that why we are here?

--
D200 Blooming as usual, read here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=17311396

--
beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain

 

[Julia Borg]

Muhammad Ali in his boxing prime was a lightweight compared to you.

I enjoy your comments. Thank you.

It is so good that your managed to give the whole discussion the right direction.

Now we all understand banding clearly.

"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee."

But you missed

--
Julia

 

[Julia Borg]

Maybe you could elaborate a bit more on that "demosaic" theory...
why would it have more impact on banding than the interlaced
blooming caused by the multi-channel reading in opposite directions?

I never said that "it have more impact".

What I said is - greens are read into the same direction. Green channels exhibit "normal" blooming. Demosaic based on the fact that green channels contain higher resolution data and that they are not affected with artifacts to the same extent as red and blue channels is the preferred method. It is true in respect of many other artifacts, like moire, too.

--
Julia

 

[redwoodroadie]

Let's cut to the chase here. What I'm getting from this discussion is that blooming and banding are both caused by demosaicing algorithms used by the camera while moving the image data off the sensor. Because the D200 is doing it in two seperate directions and one side is getting the green channel that catches different light frequencies than the opposite side that is getting the alternating red and blue channels -- that's what causes short banding. If I understand this correctly than it makes sense to me (although it's all technically over my head).

Now, regarding the blooming versus banding issue. Blooming is the same issue only because the blown color channels are all being read in the same direction, so they bloom instead of band (all the "bleeding" goes in one direction). So, my question to Sergio is this: have you done your lightbulb test on the D70 and has it bloomed? If so, than it would appear that the D200, while not perfect, is an improvement.
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http://imageevent.com/tonybeach

 

[Michael Mohrmann]

Muhammad Ali in his boxing prime was a lightweight compared to you.

I enjoy your comments. Thank you.

It is so good that your managed to give the whole discussion the
right direction.

Now we all understand banding clearly.

"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee."

But you missed

I thought you would have figured out what I was saying, but apparently not. Oh well, it isn't the first time that I was wrong.

 

[Julia Borg]

I thought you would have figured out what I was saying, but
apparently not.

I did. but I still do not get how it is referred to the discussion.

--
Julia

 

[Mike St James]

who are those "we"?

See the responders to your posts.

but I doubt you can carry my gear ...

No doubt.
--
Mike St James

 

[Julia Borg]

who are those "we"?

See the responders to your posts.

I will await for their confirmations. As of now, they do not subscribe.

but I doubt you can carry my gear ...

No doubt.

no doubt you can't.

--
Julia

 

[ClassicMan]

.....go back to Moma Canona.

 

[SergioRZ]

Yes, other cameras just bloom where the D200 bands... my D70 does it, and you can look here for a D100 example vs D200:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=17311396

Let's cut to the chase here. What I'm getting from this discussion
is that blooming and banding are both caused by demosaicing
algorithms used by the camera while moving the image data off the
sensor. Because the D200 is doing it in two seperate directions
and one side is getting the green channel that catches different
light frequencies than the opposite side that is getting the
alternating red and blue channels -- that's what causes short
banding. If I understand this correctly than it makes sense to me
(although it's all technically over my head).
Now, regarding the blooming versus banding issue. Blooming is the
same issue only because the blown color channels are all being read
in the same direction, so they bloom instead of band (all the
"bleeding" goes in one direction). So, my question to Sergio is
this: have you done your lightbulb test on the D70 and has it
bloomed? If so, than it would appear that the D200, while not
perfect, is an improvement.
--
http://imageevent.com/tonybeach

 

[SergioRZ]

See here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=17371117

Nikon service is almost... almost, eliminating banding

 

[redwoodroadie]

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http://imageevent.com/tonybeach

 

[Mike St James]

but I doubt you can carry my gear ...

No doubt.

no doubt you can't.

My misunderstanding approaches 100%. I thought I was agreeing with you. Is it possible to do that?

--
Mike St James

 

[ASA100]

julia, you are like water slipping thru ones hands, oh how we want to understand that which enchants us, please explain more for us what do you mean.

 

[SergioRZ]

Yes, for me blooming is better... banding, in practical terms, is blooming with stripes...

If I had to choose blooming with stripes, or blooming without stripes... I'd choose it without stripes

It's more natural to the eyes.

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http://imageevent.com/tonybeach

 

[Cultured Vulture]

That since you returned your D200 and happily kept your D70 that you will return to the D70 forum? That way, they would get the benefit of your vast knowledge and experience.

Regards,
--
JR

 

[Mike St James]

That since you returned your D200 and happily kept your D70 that
you will return to the D70 forum? That way, they would get the
benefit of your vast knowledge and experience.

Vulture, maybe. Cultured, probably not so much.

I've never left the D70 forum. You wouldn't know a lot about where people spend their time, having just recently popped in here in December. I may either repurchase the D200 at some point in the future ("ifs" listed in other posts), buy a D2x, or await an iteration on one of the two. In the meantime, I'll do what you do...go where I please. I've never made any pretension to "vast expertise" (or ANY expertise) so your sarcasm (weak, by the way) is wasted. Anyone smart enough to attempt sarcasm should be capable of skipping posts they don't like, and dialogue with people they disapprove of. Are you? We'll see.

--
Mike St James

 

[redwoodroadie]

From what I have heard, much of the banding disappears when prints are made while blooming does not. It is also my understanding that the D200 bands less often than the D70 blooms. So, while I would consider both of these to be a problem; banding is a minor one in the D200 while blooming is a much more significant one in the D70.
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http://imageevent.com/tonybeach