Have you guys seen these G2 Photos....

[Robert Holloway]

Tracey,

Well said. So much rubbish being posted at the moment. My best fried uses a 17 year old manual Pentax with a 28mm and an 85mm lens. he takes photos that most of us would only dream about. He is using slide film.

As Tracey said, the eye and the brain will always rule the camera.

The 707 is a good tool - we think.

We haven't really seen much from it yet. in 3-6 months we'll know. But by that time we'll be talking about the S95 and the rumored 909

Have fun
Robert

I'm a G2 user and I say whoever is claiming that the G2 is superior
to the 707 because of Anders' pictures is a total and utter fool.
Both cameras have strong and weak points, that is a fact. I'm sure
Anders is able to produce stunning images with a 707, G1, CP995,
you name it. It's the photographer, not the camera. Just like Pekka
and his G1 & D30 galleries.

This guys, is the point! Very well said by the way....

I think we can agree on the following:

1: Anders has a great eye for taking pictures

2: The pictures are great art

3: he's got great scenery to work with

4: he's good with Photoshop

5: he's good with his tools period

6: they are NOT a fair comparison of the shots you or I will take
with ANY camera.

7: It's not the camera, but the person using the camera. Always has
been, always will be.

Tracey

 

[Robert Holloway]

Just checking if I have a regular member
(sorry, couldn't resist)

lighten up everyone
it's a fun hobby
Anders takes wonderful photos, they are a pleasure to see

digital photography extends from an idea to the output from the PC via your camera.

Rob

Todd

I can't believe the insensitivity in this thread. You pack of dogs
bring up a fellas' photo of his beloved dog and then rip it to
shreads. One self appointed expert calls it dreadful on many
levels. You know you guys are just a bunch of artist wanna-bes.
Don't worry about what camera you use, you will never be an artist
until you become sensitive to others and humanity in general.

Jeff

 

[sunnyt]

Bryan,
From where I came, water does flow uphill ;-)

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292334623&p=4264632074&idx=6

Seriously, You were right about the mirror/portrait and I stand corrected.

A camera can only see light reflected off the mirror and if general
physic hold up in Finland, the focus is and should be on the
surface on the mirror plane.

OK, I'll try to offer proof, but I can only come up with Illinois
physics. For all I know, water may flow uphill in Finland.

This shot was taken in the mirror above my fireplace, and the frame
is at the bottom of the shot. You'll notice that I'm in sharp
focus and the frame is not. I assure you that though this photo
was taken with a G2, no "Photoshop magic" was employed.

Now, can we stop all this nonsense that this poor guy somehow faked
his shots? Sheesh.

 

[TraceyS]

The guy that takes my kids pictures can make a Poloroid look good.

The quality of the brush does count for some, but me thinks that if we gave Anders a disposable camera he'd get amazing results. I had friends in my photo classes that could do this.

We'd go to the same place and they'd get amazing and i'd get good.

Taking pictures like that take time, practice and patience. It's been a long time since i've "pleasure shot" which is what i'd call his pictures (for me) and i'm looking forward to doing it.

Just to take a picture that isn't going to end up in my kids scrapbook or something. Face it, those of us with young kids tend to get caught up in those types of pics.

That said, some of my most favorite pictures are technically garbage, but the moment they capture is priceless. Doesn't matter if theirs noise or not, i've got the moment.

Anyway, we should all aim this high, but accept that some of don't have the time to get their.

Tracey

7: It's not the camera, but the person using the camera. Always has
been, always will be.

So the quality of the brush has nothing to do with it? Nothing?
Come on, Tracey. Give this guy a Kodak DC-200 and let's see how he
does.

Bryan

 

[Lance49911]

Just checking if I have a regular member
(sorry, couldn't resist)

lighten up everyone
it's a fun hobby

All these discussions are for pure entertainment (except when I am wrong about mirror images-then it's a lesson). I loved my S85, but I wanted more zoom without the hassel of putting on and taking off lenses, and it is silly of Sony to have their own adaptor bock the viewfinder and flash.

Had Canon released by now their Pro90 followup, which should be a G2 with a large zoom and EVF, I would be shooting six finger pictures of myself in the mirror this evening.

However, I also have to tell you that the info lithium battery with it's time remaining is a great feature when i am off hiking in the mountains.

Right now for the money, Sony has won this round in a feature to feature basis. When Canon has their 10X EVF version of a G2, they will have the advantage. And Nikon is not about to fall asleep.

 

[Tim F]

Well, putting it that way, we're in complete agreement! Very well said.

It's really sad when people crucify an extremely talented
photographer on the grounds that he uses a different digicam than
them. What can I say...

Costas

Wow, talk about missing the point.

I looked through the thread and haven't seen any bashing of the
man, his talents, or his camera in here.

ZipperZ's comment about him meshing photos is clearly not a shot at
the photographer, only at the people using his pictures in
comparison to point and shoot 707 shots from people that have
picked up there camera a few hours earlier. If there's any
'crucifiction' going on, that's where it's happening.

OK, agreed, maybe I was a little too hard on the posts. Maybe I was
a little influenced by another thread here in the Sony forum called
"What is photography?". If you read it you'll see what I mean.

I'm a G2 user and I say whoever is claiming that the G2 is superior
to the 707 because of Anders' pictures is a total and utter fool.
Both cameras have strong and weak points, that is a fact. I'm sure
Anders is able to produce stunning images with a 707, G1, CP995,
you name it. It's the photographer, not the camera. Just like Pekka
and his G1 & D30 galleries.

I meant no offense to ZipperZ. I just hope that people understand
that Anders does not want to post images straight out of the camera
for the rest of us to use them in our camera comparisons. For that
purpose there are Phil's wonderful sample galleries. Anders is an
artist and as such he's free to tweak the images untill they meet
his aesthetic criteria of what "beautiful" is. If that means
PhotoShop, so be it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
The double-exposure technique he used is a well known method and
there's nothing to laugh about it.

Costas

 

[TraceyS]

I think people thought i was exagerating when i said i planned to keep my camera 18-24 months. Lke you said, it's going to be 3-6 before i really know it well. By then new models will be coming out, but, by buying what i did i can ride out the next wave.

Kinda like the 505 people, they are producing excellent shots now - should they upgrade? in the case of the improvments of the 707 it's probably a hard call.

Now, remind me i said this when the next batch of camera's come out - of course, i plan my next purchase to be a SLR. I'm going to wait for at least the next generation in that area....

Tracey

Well said. So much rubbish being posted at the moment. My best
fried uses a 17 year old manual Pentax with a 28mm and an 85mm
lens. he takes photos that most of us would only dream about. He is
using slide film.

As Tracey said, the eye and the brain will always rule the camera.

The 707 is a good tool - we think.

We haven't really seen much from it yet. in 3-6 months we'll know.
But by that time we'll be talking about the S95 and the rumored 909

Have fun
Robert

I'm a G2 user and I say whoever is claiming that the G2 is superior
to the 707 because of Anders' pictures is a total and utter fool.
Both cameras have strong and weak points, that is a fact. I'm sure
Anders is able to produce stunning images with a 707, G1, CP995,
you name it. It's the photographer, not the camera. Just like Pekka
and his G1 & D30 galleries.

This guys, is the point! Very well said by the way....

I think we can agree on the following:

1: Anders has a great eye for taking pictures

2: The pictures are great art

3: he's got great scenery to work with

4: he's good with Photoshop

5: he's good with his tools period

6: they are NOT a fair comparison of the shots you or I will take
with ANY camera.

7: It's not the camera, but the person using the camera. Always has
been, always will be.

Tracey

 

[Jerry62200]

Great work by a Great Photographer. Sony pictures NEVER looked this good even with Photoshop...

 

[Ed (;¬ >)]

Oh, Bryan isn't so much a Troll, prezakly, more like a dash of cold water to snap us out of Sony revelry and stiffen our resolve (and our member's resolve.)

Sometimes, though, he's more of a wet blanket. (;¬ > )

-Ed

Todd

I can't believe the insensitivity in this thread. You pack of dogs
bring up a fellas' photo of his beloved dog and then rip it to
shreads. One self appointed expert calls it dreadful on many
levels. You know you guys are just a bunch of artist wanna-bes.
Don't worry about what camera you use, you will never be an artist
until you become sensitive to others and humanity in general.

Jeff

 

[Robert Holloway]

Ed

Good to metaphorically see you
I agree this has really tested my Sony resolve
I was in the process of buying a 707 on wednesday and stopped
yikes
Rob

Sometimes, though, he's more of a wet blanket. (;¬ > )

-Ed

Todd

I can't believe the insensitivity in this thread. You pack of dogs
bring up a fellas' photo of his beloved dog and then rip it to
shreads. One self appointed expert calls it dreadful on many
levels. You know you guys are just a bunch of artist wanna-bes.
Don't worry about what camera you use, you will never be an artist
until you become sensitive to others and humanity in general.

Jeff

 

[Tim F]

Don't forget to mention how you dislike the Sony's aerodynamics, and thanks for you valuable input!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&message=1609731

Great work by a Great Photographer. Sony pictures NEVER looked this
good even with Photoshop...

 

[Robert Holloway]

Tracey

You are one the posters I really repect re your viewpoint
I'm very interested to hear about life with the 707
As things change over the next 2-3 months

I'm holding on to my 85 as i keep getting
better and better shots
as I learn more about this tricky critter

Rob

Kinda like the 505 people, they are producing excellent shots now -
should they upgrade? in the case of the improvments of the 707 it's
probably a hard call.

Now, remind me i said this when the next batch of camera's come out

• of course, i plan my next purchase to be a SLR. I'm going to wait

for at least the next generation in that area....

Tracey

Well said. So much rubbish being posted at the moment. My best
fried uses a 17 year old manual Pentax with a 28mm and an 85mm
lens. he takes photos that most of us would only dream about. He is
using slide film.

As Tracey said, the eye and the brain will always rule the camera.

The 707 is a good tool - we think.

We haven't really seen much from it yet. in 3-6 months we'll know.
But by that time we'll be talking about the S95 and the rumored 909

Have fun
Robert

I'm a G2 user and I say whoever is claiming that the G2 is superior
to the 707 because of Anders' pictures is a total and utter fool.
Both cameras have strong and weak points, that is a fact. I'm sure
Anders is able to produce stunning images with a 707, G1, CP995,
you name it. It's the photographer, not the camera. Just like Pekka
and his G1 & D30 galleries.

This guys, is the point! Very well said by the way....

I think we can agree on the following:

1: Anders has a great eye for taking pictures

2: The pictures are great art

3: he's got great scenery to work with

4: he's good with Photoshop

5: he's good with his tools period

6: they are NOT a fair comparison of the shots you or I will take
with ANY camera.

7: It's not the camera, but the person using the camera. Always has
been, always will be.

Tracey

 

[BryanS]

Sometimes, though, he's more of a wet blanket. (;¬ > )

Sheesh, do you know my wife? She's always saying that very thing!

Let 'em call me a troll. I see what I see, that's all.

I'm just hard to convince, but wanting desperately to like the photos this camera takes because I love the feel (when I played with it in Best Buy) and the features are way cool.

I was warming to a couple of images again tonight, like the wonderful Seattle sunset, and then I saw a shot of a bed of red flowers that nearly blinded me (I learned my lesson and won't post the link, but perhaps you know the one I mean).

So, the beat goes on... one or two I really like, and then YOW, what's happened THERE?. C'mon Sears... gimme my camera.

Bryan

 

[Ron Parr]

OK Jerry. I'll bite. Here is one of my S85 albums:

http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/asheville/index.htm

Any deficiencies here are the photgrapher's, not the camera's.

Ron Parr

Great work by a Great Photographer. Sony pictures NEVER looked this
good even with Photoshop...

 

[BryanS]

OK Jerry. I'll bite. Here is one of my S85 albums:

Looks pretty danged good to me. Now get out there and buy the F707 and show what the thing can do, OK?

Looks like you could single-handedly shut down this thread in a heartbeat.

Bryan

 

[Ed (;¬ >)]

Oh, for goodness sake! Here:
http://www.pbase.com/ewaldorph/demopics
The thumbnails arent yet ready. Here is the original:
http://www.pbase.com/image/413828

That should take care of the green. Does this look normal? If you don't like it I can give you any shade that you want.

This is a perfect time to note that Anders pics do not in any way resemble what came out of his camera. Just resizing them alters their appearance considederably on a 72 dpi RGB monitor. But he does a lot more than that.

The good folks who are busting their butts to post shots here from their new F707s are trying to avoid that and give you unadulterated look. For that they and the camera get castigated.

Ron, I don't know how you and the few others with their wits about them can remain a calm voice of reason in this maelstrom. Me, I'm just verklempt—talk amongst yourselves. Ill be fine.

-Ed

How about this one I just looked at... nearly fell out of my chair.
What could have POSSIBLY happened to the green in this photo?

http://www.pbase.com/image/409861

The picture has been altered and resaved. It's awful at a number
of levels, so I'm not sure what indignities it suffered before it
reached pbase. We can only hope that it didn't look like this
straight out of the camera.

Ron

 

[Ed (;¬ >)]

Hi, Robert!

Don't let Anders put you off. He is a consumate artist—with both the camera and a photo editor. And I told him so.

Please note that none of those pics were unvarnished straight out of the camera, like we are seeing here. And rightly so. I don't want to see that from the 707s this week. I want to see what they are really capable of; and I am impressed.

Take a look above in this thread at my response to Ron & Bryan and see what a little (15 second) adjustment in PS can do.

-Ed

Good to metaphorically see you
I agree this has really tested my Sony resolve
I was in the process of buying a 707 on wednesday and stopped
yikes
Rob

Sometimes, though, he's more of a wet blanket. (;¬ > )

-Ed

Todd

I can't believe the insensitivity in this thread. You pack of dogs
bring up a fellas' photo of his beloved dog and then rip it to
shreads. One self appointed expert calls it dreadful on many
levels. You know you guys are just a bunch of artist wanna-bes.
Don't worry about what camera you use, you will never be an artist
until you become sensitive to others and humanity in general.

Jeff

 

[TraceyS]

Thanks...

Im anxious to see myself the next few months. With my big shooting excursion in February, i need the practice now!

i think you made a good choice. I might be considering upgrading myself in your shoes, but i'd probably wait for the next wave in Feb/March.

I have the added advantage of having been camera shopping for the last 10 months (YIKES!) and going thu basically 3 launches. THe S75/CD300, then the 85 and then the 707. It's been hard, i spent a lot of that time deciding if i could do a MS camera. Then Sony drops the prices and it becomes more doable (where is that next price drop????).

Anyway, i'm looking forward to shooting - tomorrow AM will be the first soccer game. i'm making my DH be out on the field with the kids so i can take some pics. Then the zoo on Sunday...

Tracey

You are one the posters I really repect re your viewpoint
I'm very interested to hear about life with the 707
As things change over the next 2-3 months

I'm holding on to my 85 as i keep getting
better and better shots
as I learn more about this tricky critter

Rob

Kinda like the 505 people, they are producing excellent shots now -
should they upgrade? in the case of the improvments of the 707 it's
probably a hard call.

Now, remind me i said this when the next batch of camera's come out

• of course, i plan my next purchase to be a SLR. I'm going to wait

for at least the next generation in that area....

Tracey

Well said. So much rubbish being posted at the moment. My best
fried uses a 17 year old manual Pentax with a 28mm and an 85mm
lens. he takes photos that most of us would only dream about. He is
using slide film.

As Tracey said, the eye and the brain will always rule the camera.

The 707 is a good tool - we think.

We haven't really seen much from it yet. in 3-6 months we'll know.
But by that time we'll be talking about the S95 and the rumored 909

Have fun
Robert

I'm a G2 user and I say whoever is claiming that the G2 is superior
to the 707 because of Anders' pictures is a total and utter fool.
Both cameras have strong and weak points, that is a fact. I'm sure
Anders is able to produce stunning images with a 707, G1, CP995,
you name it. It's the photographer, not the camera. Just like Pekka
and his G1 & D30 galleries.

This guys, is the point! Very well said by the way....

I think we can agree on the following:

1: Anders has a great eye for taking pictures

2: The pictures are great art

3: he's got great scenery to work with

4: he's good with Photoshop

5: he's good with his tools period

6: they are NOT a fair comparison of the shots you or I will take
with ANY camera.

7: It's not the camera, but the person using the camera. Always has
been, always will be.

Tracey

 

[BryanS]

That should take care of the green. Does this look normal? If you
don't like it I can give you any shade that you want.

Ed,

Yes, it does look better.

I, too, am looking closely at the shots straight from the camera. That's why the dog shot alarmed me so... I've been taking photos with digicams for years and have never seen colors like that. Of course, we don't know for sure if this one wasn't tweaked a tad in the wrong direction, either. I hope so.

If you're saying that I'll need to tweak the colors of all my shots in Photoshop, then we may have a problem. By the way, does the F707 ship with Photoshop? I never checked on what came with it.

Bryan

 

[Ed (;¬ >)]

It comes with a lite version of MGI Photosuite (which is pretty lite in the full version.) I don't know of any camera that comes with Photoshop ($609 List.) Although you can get a deal on PS, Pagemaker, Illustrator and Acrobat for $999.

-Ed

That should take care of the green. Does this look normal? If you
don't like it I can give you any shade that you want.

Ed,

Yes, it does look better.

I, too, am looking closely at the shots straight from the camera.
That's why the dog shot alarmed me so... I've been taking photos
with digicams for years and have never seen colors like that. Of
course, we don't know for sure if this one wasn't tweaked a tad in
the wrong direction, either. I hope so.

If you're saying that I'll need to tweak the colors of all my shots
in Photoshop, then we may have a problem. By the way, does the
F707 ship with Photoshop? I never checked on what came with it.

Bryan