H1 vs FZ5 test pics

[Boomz]

Photo tests shown here like how you would most likely use the camera. Nothing speical was done to the fiiles/photos!

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics (I've recenly included a page for Sony V1, Sony T1, Minolta DImageX & Kodak DC240)

http://www.onokinegrindz.com - Photos taken with FZ5, V1, U40 & T1

 

[fmoore]

No pics?????????????

Photo tests shown here like how you would most likely use the
camera. Nothing speical was done to the fiiles/photos!

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics (I've
recenly included a page for Sony V1, Sony T1, Minolta DImageX &
Kodak DC240)

http://www.onokinegrindz.com - Photos taken with FZ5, V1, U40 & T1

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Fred
FZ5 & FZ1v2
http://www.ishots.net

 

[Boomz]

strange .... ok I must have missed it .... sorry.

Here's the link again:

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net/

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics (I've recenly included a page for Sony V1, Sony T1, Minolta DImageX & Kodak DC240)

http://www.onokinegrindz.com - Photos taken with FZ5, V1, U40 & T1

 

[seiko7t59]

I looked at them, and purple fringing (CA) is bad on H1 as reported in all reviews. That is why I went with FZ20 instread of H1. Look at 1st pic's of buildings, is very very noticible on H1 pic's.

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Regards

Eric/USA Panasonic FZ20 :0) + Olympus 2020z :0) [ex Nikon 5700 :0(]

 

[Boomz]

Yes I have to agree with you on that.

Do check out what the Sony forum is saying... I posted a link there too.

This is going to be interesting.

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics (I've recenly included a page for Sony V1, Sony T1, Minolta DImageX & Kodak DC240)

http://www.onokinegrindz.com - Photos taken with FZ5, V1, U40 & T1

 

[demarren123456]

I also vieuwed them carifull.
to me there are alot of ca in it.
also you can see the noise reduction in progress if you look at 100 %
the sky look bloked in paterns.
the diference in color is almost the same.
not muts deference at all,the H1 pictures look more red.
if this is good or bad no idd.
but I am 100% not in for this camera.
Iff you view at 50 % max the picture look good.
so I quis for small prints its ok.
also there is more noise in the FZ5 pictures,but can easely removed with
Adobe CS2
and the pictures of the FZ5 look alot better then the standard H1 pictures.
if noise is crital.
just my touchts for furst time.

I looked at them, and purple fringing (CA) is bad on H1 as reported in all reviews. That is why I went with FZ20 instread of H1. Look at 1st pic's of buildings, is very very noticible on H1 pic's.

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Regards

Eric/USA Panasonic FZ20 :0) + Olympus 2020z :0) [ex Nikon 5700 :0(]

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Demarren
FZ5 User

 

[Boomz]

how do you remove noise using CS2? Use 'shapern'?

Thanks.

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics (I've recenly included a page for Sony V1, Sony T1, Minolta DImageX & Kodak DC240)

http://www.onokinegrindz.com - Photos taken with FZ5, V1, U40 & T1

 

[maxx2]

The FZ5 pics appear to be 3MP, while the H1's are 5MP. Makes it hard (and unfair) to compare detail.

Maxx

 

[maxx2]

I also vieuwed them carifull.
to me there are alot of ca in it.
also you can see the noise reduction in progress if you look at 100 %
the sky look bloked in paterns.

I think that's because of the high level of jpeg compression used for the reduced files sizes. These images are not very good for comparing sharpness, noise or detail.

the diference in color is almost the same.
not muts deference at all,the H1 pictures look more red.

Big differences in colour. Sony is cooler, maybe more accurate (white cars look white instead of yellow, but hard to tell without being there first hand). Sony colours seem more saturated, and there's more contrast.

if this is good or bad no idd.
but I am 100% not in for this camera.
Iff you view at 50 % max the picture look good.
so I quis for small prints its ok.
also there is more noise in the FZ5 pictures,but can easely removed
with
Adobe CS2
and the pictures of the FZ5 look alot better then the standard H1
pictures.
if noise is crital.
just my touchts for furst time.

From the EXIF data, the FZ5 pics look like they were taken at 3MP instead of 5MP. To compare, they should both be at 5MP and it would be nice if the full sized files were posted as the compression here is really high. A 5MP image should be between 2-3MB. Not 400KB. You can see lots of compression artifacts and loss of detail that wouldn't be there if the files were straight out of the camera.

I do agree with Eric that there's less CA from the FZ5. I've read the Panasonic image processor removes (some) CA. The H1 seems to have the worst CA, at least at wide angle.

Maxx

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Regards

Eric/USA Panasonic FZ20 :0) + Olympus 2020z :0) [ex Nikon 5700 :0(]

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Demarren
FZ5 User

 

[Boomz]

I will retake the photos and repost this weekend.

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.

 

[Boomz]

Maxx ... please check latest post ... night photos this time.

Both equal 5mp, all settings to 'standard' (ie no 'sharpening', no 'vivid' settings).

These were manual mode.

First shot with ISO at lowest for either cameras at 2 sec and then later shot at ISO100 at 1 sec.

The FZ5 pics appear to be 3MP, while the H1's are 5MP. Makes it
hard (and unfair) to compare detail.

Maxx

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.

 

[demarren123456]

Adobe CS2 version 9 hase an noise reduction system in it.
So no need for 3de party noise reduction programs.
Its work verry good.

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Demarren
FZ5 User

 

[demarren123456]

Ok sorry I has noticed the FZ5 pictures where smaller.
The camera looks good.
and the pictures are also good.

but at the end of the year there will be camera's with 8 mp pixels so I gone wait untill some of thise come out.
and see wat the have on board.

and indeed white was white and the FZ5 is a bit yellow.
but then I am consurn will white not easely overclipped.
just my idd afcours.

I also vieuwed them carifull.
to me there are alot of ca in it.
also you can see the noise reduction in progress if you look at 100 %
the sky look bloked in paterns.

I think that's because of the high level of jpeg compression used for the reduced files sizes. These images are not very good for comparing sharpness, noise or detail.

the diference in color is almost the same.
not muts deference at all,the H1 pictures look more red.

Big differences in colour. Sony is cooler, maybe more accurate (white cars look white instead of yellow, but hard to tell without being there first hand). Sony colours seem more saturated, and there's more contrast.

if this is good or bad no idd.
but I am 100% not in for this camera.
Iff you view at 50 % max the picture look good.
so I quis for small prints its ok.
also there is more noise in the FZ5 pictures,but can easely removed
with
Adobe CS2
and the pictures of the FZ5 look alot better then the standard H1
pictures.
if noise is crital.
just my touchts for furst time.

From the EXIF data, the FZ5 pics look like they were taken at 3MP instead of 5MP. To compare, they should both be at 5MP and it would be nice if the full sized files were posted as the compression here is really high. A 5MP image should be between 2-3MB. Not 400KB. You can see lots of compression artifacts and loss of detail that wouldn't be there if the files were straight out of the camera.

I do agree with Eric that there's less CA from the FZ5. I've read the Panasonic image processor removes (some) CA. The H1 seems to have the worst CA, at least at wide angle.

Maxx

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Regards

Eric/USA Panasonic FZ20 :0) + Olympus 2020z :0) [ex Nikon 5700 :0(]

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If you need an camera,Just go out and buy one.
Demarren
FZ5 User

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If you need an camera,Just go out and buy one.
Demarren
FZ5 User

 

[demarren123456]

Yes indeed,you can't compare the pictures thad way.
I gone wait depreview his review first.
as comparing cannot be done by amateurs.
sorry but the pictures can't be compared for wat the are.
eather way there is alot more CA in the h1
and I say you thad will be vissible in prints.
just my idd.

The FZ5 pics appear to be 3MP, while the H1's are 5MP. Makes it hard (and unfair) to compare detail.

Maxx

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If you need an camera,Just go out and buy one.
Demarren
FZ5 User

 

[rick66883]

thanks for posting photos and doing comparisons. First two photos I like Pana better as I have said. I know the feel of both cameras and for consistency now get this its no contest for the Z20 as far as I am concerned. I can get better shots with bigger lens indoors . I know sonys pluses and I am not saying I wish Panasonic didn't have better color or brightness (Pansonic seems to have a cloudy look in sun too) but the lens is just better I feel on Panasonic minus the sharpening and noise issues we don't know much about .I think at the end of day you can more shots taken from the panasonic and see more detail per ratio of shots. I acknowledge though I have not tried the Hi except in store and when i could not focus so I thought on auto that was all I needed to see. Having said that I like colors and brightness and processing better on Sony its just too bad they didn't use a zeiss lens thats all.

 

[Boomz]

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.

 

[demarren123456]

Sorry guy I can't see alot of diference between the H1 night pictures and those from the FZ5

Compare those pictures.
I can't say the FZ5 is bad at night.
It defeat my canon 300-D in color.
meaby noise is alittle higher but who see thad if you not print at 100 %
good luck with your testing.
demarren.

here are some examples from the FZ5









http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's

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Demarren
FZ5 User

 

[hoppa]

Yes indeed,you can't compare the pictures thad way.
I gone wait depreview his review first.
as comparing cannot be done by amateurs.

If the FZ5 blew away the H1, you wouldn't be saying this.

Anyway, if you are not able to tell the difference between the two pics and think you are not good enough to compare them, then why do you even care about the results? You clearly can't see them for yourself. Is it better to listen to what someone else thinks than to form your own opinion?

Here's mine: The H1 clearly trumps the FZ5. Pictures are sharper, colors are more accurate, noise is less, contrast is more accurate. Yes, the H1 does exhibit a bit more purple fringing than the FZ5 exhibits red fringing (which is not to say it's not a problem on the FZ5 anyways), but keep in mind that these pictures are all below F4, and in the night shots, where a tripod is obviously being used, there is little reason to shoot so wide. I am confident both cameras will display little, if any, CA at smaller apertures.

sorry but the pictures can't be compared for wat the are.
eather way there is alot more CA in the h1
and I say you thad will be vissible in prints.
just my idd.

The FZ5 pics appear to be 3MP, while the H1's are 5MP. Makes it
hard (and unfair) to compare detail.

As is typical with this forum, people will skirt the truth and defend their camera to the death rathering than forming a logical opinion that something in the world can be better. Not once in this thread (so far) does anyone bring up sharpness (except when claiming that the FZ20 was shot at 3 MP, which the author denies, and I put my trust in him) or contrast. Others claim noise is only better on the Sony because there is more noise reduction. Basically, all anyone can say is that the Sony has a lot of purple fringing, and yet still no one mentions the nasty red fringing that the Panny (and all the other Pannys) exhibit.

As people love labeling me as a troll when I post an honest opinion, and thinking that I'm some Sony fanboy who just comes into the Panny forums to raise hell... I have an FZ20, I love it, I wont be replacing it for anything other than a DSLR anytime soon. And I guess unlike some others, I am willing to admit something else is better than what I have.

-andy
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[maxx2]

Thanls for reposting new pics. I see that the FZ5 pics are 5MP now, and that the compression isn't as high, but the files still seem small to me. Were they shot at standard instead of fine quality setting?

I haven't had a chance to compare them carefully yet, but I did notice that EXIF data for some of the FZ5 shots (around the pool) have Sharpness set to "Hard" and Saturation set to "High". Did you find the default FZ5 settings too flat for those shots?

Thanks,
Maxx

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the
Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken
with the FZ5.

 

[Boomz]

Thanls for reposting new pics. I see that the FZ5 pics are 5MP
now, and that the compression isn't as high, but the files still
seem small to me. Were they shot at standard instead of fine
quality setting?

NP. I'm curious too so anything you notice is worth investigating.

Yes, as I mentioned they are in 'standard' and not 'vivid' for the Pany, 'standard' instead of 'fine' for Sony.

I haven't had a chance to compare them carefully yet, but I did
notice that EXIF data for some of the FZ5 shots (around the pool)
have Sharpness set to "Hard" and Saturation set to "High". Did you
find the default FZ5 settings too flat for those shots?

Aside from the night shots taken yesterday. these today were all on 'Program' mode. Did no control 'sharpness', 'hard' nor 'high'

Yes I did find the default FZ5 settings very flat. Also I found that the default for the FZ5 EV a little too high too. As Theresa mentioned in another post, bring the EV down -1/3 produced much better photos. Not so washed out. I tried a few shots and I have to agree with her.
These adjusted -1/3 photos were not posted.

I do not want to 'influence' the viewer and so I didn't write a thing about the night shots, but did you notice that many of the FZ5 had a purple halo around the street lights? Take a look at the one with Macy and Walmart in the composition.

Thanks,
Maxx

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the
Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken
with the FZ5.

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.