This week Jordan reviews the Panasonic BS1H, the company's first full-frame box camera. How does it compare to the S1H and Panasonic's first box camera, the BGH1? Tune in to find out if boxy is better.
Man, why is some of the under tree stuff look so washed out? 1:38, 2:34, 2:39 the background loos like it's uncorrected log footage. 4:00 is MUCH better.
Another comparison: 8:00 washed out, 8:02 (walking) CONTRAST!
It just looks like whomever is grading it is not keeping the darks properly dark. This also washes out the faces making them look plasticy. 1:04 good contrast. 1:08 blech.
Just my 2¢.
Good camera review overall and I appreciated the comparison to the M43 version too.
Not a product I would ever consider, but I always enjoy watching your videos and always learn something, whether they feature Jordan, Chris, or especially both. Well produced, informative, and entertaining. You guys are great.
Jordan, you did great! I am not in the market for a studio camera (lacking a studio) but I watched all the way through and I feel that it gave me lots of information. Could be just me, but that's what I watch DPReview TV for. Kudos!
Love DPReview TV as always! But I don't know if I'm oversensitive, but that DFD-pulsing during the segment at the computer is really distracting. It's really unfortunate that's still a thing.
I watched the same video you did, and I was looking for DFD pulsing and did not see it. What I see is that Jordan remains in perfect focus and as he moves his head forward and backward the out-of-focus character of the computer screen changes. Panasonic has made substantial advances in avoiding DFD pulsing (which have been described on this web site). I have a G9, firmware 2.4 was a major improvement. Are you SURE you really saw DFD-pulsing, or was it just that the computer screen was not the focus target? (Or do you just type such a comment whenever a video about a Panasonic camera is posted?)
The monitor "pulsing" is without a doubt DFD. There is no breathing involved from the lens so that's the only conclusion. The background would not have such a drastic change when a subject is moving otherwise.
I had a G9 as well, so I don't know why you would presume such a thing.
A smaller enough and at least 20 MP version of the MFT BGH1 (maybe BGH2?) would have been much more interesting, since it would allow synchronized stereo photography with human stereobase of 63 mm. Yes square, or even better - round sensor is welcome!
Um, 35mm/FF can get every depth of field any smaller sensor can, you just stop down, as you can stop FF down more before diffraction bites.
Then you turn the ISO up (or more likely use less ND) to get the shutter speed you want. (The extra surface area of the FF sensor means you don't get more noise than smaller sensors).
I have a GH5 and there is no DoF it can do that a FF camera can't do... there are some FF can do and it can't (due to wide apertures), but that's not really an issue for me (just use a longer lens).
I guess you could call it "mini-Medium Format", this Leica SL-mount is about 60% the area of the Fuji GFX 44x33 or Leica S 45x30 formats, and has a crop factor of x1.0
Jordan, thank you, an interesting video (I have yet to view a video by you & Chris which was not worth watching).
I would be really interested in a comparison video between the BS1H and the BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Cameras (4k, 6k, 6Kpro) and Zcams, maybe even adding in the BGH1, all dedicated video cameras.
I am invested in the MFT mount and happy with that, but always interested in learning about the alternatives and I suspect I may not be alone in this desire.
Great video Jordan. I may have missed it, but you didn't talk about the shutter speeds or rolling shutter issues. Does it list shutter speeds or is everything in shutter angles? Is there a point of horrible rolling shutter due to electronic shutter only?
All the internals are basically the same as the S1H, so you have the same menu options including the ability to use shutter angle instead of shutter speed.
Rolling shutter will also be the same as the S1H: 20-25ms in full frame (depending on frame rate), which could cause rolling shutter artifacts in some fast moving situations. However, rolling shutter is a relatively quick 13.8ms in Super35 mode.
Very well put together. I do have a comment on quality though, the video looks a little flat & soft (some previous videos also). Do you know why? Is it purposeful?
There are some shots in this video where the subject (Jordan) is in the shadows and the background is fully lit by the sun. This is a composition scenario I try really hard to avoid whenever I can (unless I have a fill light or a reflector), because when boosting the shadows, even in a RAW still image with 12- or 14-bit color depth, it often makes faces look flat. With 10-bit video, there's even less dynamic range to work with, and I'm confident that's what you are seeing.
Though Jordon didn't mention it, I'm assuming the same focusing system as other Panasonic cameras? Eventually, Panasonic will wake up to this decade and use the phase/contrast hybrid system that pretty much the rest of the world uses. Perhaps, I missed it but does it have built-in ND filters? If not, then best suited for studio work but a super capable one at that in an affordable package.
OK so this is clearly not a stills/video hybrid. Great. I just don’t understand why they don’t build an up to date version of the AF100. Stuff an S5 or GH6 technology in to a body with camcorder ergonomics, ND, EVF, LCD plus proper audio in/out for $3000 and call it done. I understand the idea of flexibility but the Frankenstein-camera rig is getting ridiculous.
The concept of the box is for accessorizing. Attaching rigs etc. The issue I have with most of these box cameras like the Z-Cam is that they're very expensive given that they have no option to be used as a traditional camera. Z-Cam's 8k box camera is $5,995... Makes my R5 look like a deal. Considering the DPAF sensor and all that, Canon is making these companies look silly. And people actually complain because you can only shoot 8k on the R5 for 25 minutes. I never over heated mine despite being outdoors for hours in the humidity.
No, that conclusion is clearly wrong. Selling niche products can be very profitable, which is entirely consistent with my point. It's generally true that a smaller production volume leads to a higher cost per unit, which usually means that the consumer will have to pay more for the product. So yes, niche products are generally more expensive, but there's no reason why this would lead to failure, if you've identified a target market that's prepared to pay the price.
That's funny. We make excuses for overpriced box cameras, and hammer Canon for charging $99 extra for the best lenses on the market. Cool story. I guess being the best isn't a niche but making a box is. *shrug*
I'm not making excuses for anything, and I haven't expressed an opinion on whether these cameras are overpriced or not (which of course would be a subjective opinion, since it's relative to the perceived value of the product). All I did was to state the obvious truth that it's generally more costly to produce small volumes, since it's basically the reverse of taking advantage of economies of scale.
A niche product is by definition a product that appeals to a few, as opposed to a mass market product that appeals to many. So, if you make a niche product you don't expect high volume sales, and hence you don't produce high volumes. And that is part of the explanation for the relatively high price of niche products.
I get your point, but in this case the niche producers are selling "box" cameras with no grip, view finder, screen, usable AF, or water sealing at absurd prices. I honest to god would rather have an EOS RP over any of these box cameras. I would rather buy 3 EOS RP's in fact. Many videographers underestimate the need for multiple cameras and blowing your load on these overpriced "box" cameras which require another grand in accessories just to be useful is an utter waste.
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