Jordan promised to shoot four DPReview TV episodes with the Pentax K-01 if we reached 300,000 YouTube subscribers by February 14th of this year. We reached our goal and Jordan held up his end of the bargain. Find out what he learned about shooting with this less-than-stellar camera.
Hey, I still have a mint condition K-01, and for stills, it's quite decent. I remember buying in the day, when it's sensor was the closet to their then flagship APS K5. Any Aussie readers interested? make me an offer :)
Tried it a few times. I loved its design and ergonomics as a photo camera. I thought that famous designer Mark Newson created a great and fresh concept on what can be a camera. But it seems that many hated the blocky design.
Crappy video camera, not a crappy camera ..... It performs exceedingly well apart from the dim screen. Just when I was defending Chris and Jordan's treatment of Pentax.... I'm sure we all knew what he was getting at, but its a pretty broad statement.
The K-01 was a neat idea : a mirrorless natively compatible with DSLR lenses ; but it missed the market: outside one lens (its kit pancake), the body+lens was too bulky to compensate for the compromises of mirrorless when it came out.
I think a neat trick would’ve been to build lenses that extend into its (empty) « mirror cage », so the part protruding from the body were the size of pancakes. That way, the K-01 would have kept its compatibility with Pentax DSLR lenses while at the same time offer the more compact overall form factor (body + lens) at short and normal focals people were expecting of mirrorless and willing to make compromises for.
It kind-of seemed like Pentax basically just gave up, being just too hard for them to think differently like that. A bit like how Samsung basically failed to bother marketing their NX mirrorless cameras, then discovered nobody (or, almost nobody) was buying them and discontinued them.
I always thought a K-02 would have been a special camera rig, one many dslr video shooters would have made the central part of a system...Remember this is when we didn’t know if JVC was going to buy Pentax and make a video system with the K mount. Imagine if they would have worked on LV autofocus, utilize the aluminum frame for better heat dissipation, turn the hdmi port into a live out, and utilize the IS for real, and not digitally, the K-02 may have been something
You know what, stop hating on the K-01! Look, as someone who has shot, and continues to shoot photos and video with the K-01 (it sits in my laptop bag as my backup/travel unit) the camera has its limitations, but is not that bad to shoot with. FIRST the whole issue with the audio is a bad setup, and not the camera (I can emulate the issue by turning my mic setup completely up in-camera, and boost my Rode mic). Leaving the audio setting on auto would have mae everything fine. Its built-in stereo mice are better than most of its DSLR contemporaries, and great indoors. Outside, they suffer from wind buffeting less than others but really are limited like most built-in mics
The camera is about average for a DSLR-like camera (which this camera is essentially, missing the mirror and constantly in live mode). It does suffer from jittering trying to compensate for movement, which is why I have mine off, shoot slightly wider, and let my post production software do image stabilization. Jordan is great, and I think the buried part of this video is having techniques when you don't have the newest, best camera on you, tips any one should be able to use. The K-01 is not crapp, its limited because of when it came out and what it was designed to do. I personally think it has a wonderful setup, the Sony 16mp sensor was THE sensor for cameras for a number of years, and still has it in many ways. And lets just remember one thing - most people thought the video it produced was perfectly fine, because we are not watching this full-screen on 4K monitors, we are watching it on our phones, tablets, or on a tab on our computers, where max res is not a concern
Camera years should be counted in Dog years when it comes to progress in video. The K01 is almost a decade old, so I'm not sure what Jordan was expecting. The old K01 looked about the same as other cameras in its class from its day. It was supposed to be a fun quirky stills camera that had a "video option", not a video monster. It's DR was top of it's class for its day for stills, even if its video wasn't there. Pull out your iPhone if you want stellar video, and leave your K01 in Stills mode where it belongs and you can still get great stills from the old girl.
Pentax video is terrible. Even K-1 video is terrible, but it was the budget king of non-fast action photography a couple years ago. At least it had something to offer in return.
Personally, video quality is too low until going to the healthy oversampled 4K 12-bit raw video territory. Pentax video and pretty much every other brand video was irrelevant then. Year 2019 started to offer well priced options for high quality video. Still waiting price drops from them.
Fun flashback...but you missed the boat...if you were serious about a 1080 video that`s beyound this Pentax toy camera you would have chosen the unique and classic Canon 70D...non plus ultra, but that seems to be far away from your Camera Store...
Perhaps a little harsh on the article title. Afterall, the K-01 wasn't designed as a video camera, and many stills cameras that included video at the same time had "crappy" video.
Remember Blair Witch project was filmed exclusively on a camcorder then even big budget films started copying run and gun filmed on consumer camera scenes.
While this focuses mostly on video aspects, I think it does bring up a good point... the technology we have today is wonderful, such as IBIS, eye AF, etc, but photographers need to also know when to use this technology, and when to turn it off...
I've seen here and elsewhere on forums where people will blame the camera because it missed focus while using eye AF in certain conditions. This is a prime example of knowing when to use the technology, and when to take back manual control, and fall back on basic techniques everyone learned (or we hope) as beginner photographers, like focus and re-compose, etc.
I've seen a lot of people blow otherwise great shots because they relied too much on technology and it failed them, and they blamed the camera, when in fact, the blame was really on them for not realizing it wasn't working and switching technique.
I had the same experience. My first and only camera to shoot video on was a Canon 1100D in 2011, it was a revelation back then as all I had to afford until it came out was small chip camcorder with mobile/amateur look. Now, I had a super35 sensor size the same that hollywood directors shoot on (APS-C/film 35mm) that could shoot HD video, just a few years prior like in 2008 when I started I couldn't get that large chip look lower than 90K USD REDs and Alexas! The Canon 5D, 550D, 1100D were that important. It could only shoot 720p in 30p, with auto exposure in video. So I learned there's something called Magic Lantern, which in turn made me learn what 24p is and try it and wow suddenly, I could shoot 24p HD super 35mm video on a highschoo kid's budget in one of the poorest countries on earth (Egypt). I found out that with magic lantern I can choose ANY custom frame rate (A cinema camera feature where you choose any FPS by 0.025 increments)... contin
So that made me able to shoot 5 second long exposure timelapses and the camera is tricked into showing it at the normal 30 fps so you get a timelapse video file in-camera. A feature I still don't have on my Z5 or Z6 or my company's A7III btw! So I learned shutter angle, Fps, and timelapse which is now my signature, I fell in love with TL videography that way. I found the limits of highlight clipping and shadow crushing, so I found Technicolour's Cinestyle and downloaded that, suddenly. I added a LOG profile, by then, I had a super 35mm sensor camera that shoots HD, in 24p cinema Frame rate (and cinema 24p not 23.97 like stock Canons even 5DIIIs), with custom fps, shutter angle up to 360 degree, and LOG! That very Log flat curve gave me the knowledge I still use today in De-Logging and grading footage on my new true LOG-featured cameras. The amazing Focus peaking feature they had called Digic peaking is still better than any peaking on ANY mirroless camera, So I mastered manual focus
It's funny, I remember lots of people hating the look of the K-01 when it came out. Especially in that garish yellow. I always thought the black and white version looked a lot better....just as it does there! I pretty good camera I think for its time.
The garish yellow one looks like a children's toy, but the MSRP most certainly wasn't a children's toys price. I went for the black & silver during the end of year clearance blowouts. And I still use it for stills.
I liked the K01 so much I bought two of them. But I did learn a new word reading a German review of the K01 describing the AF, mangelhaft which meant miserably defective. But that was firmware 1.0. There was an update that made the AF usable. What I found bizarre was how Nikon DSLRs, even higher priced ones ones like my D7100, had horrible LiveView AF until recently and comments about that were rare. But anyway, because Pentax had developed a decent LiveView AF for the K01, it propagated through a string of cameras like my K30 and K3 and I found it quite useful taking family and vacation photos. Having a decent LiveView AF built into a DSLR was an area Pentax was ahead of the pack.
Why is this video now?Does it related to the release of K3III Why do we remember it now after these years? By the way, K01 was out-of-the-box thinking. And if there was honesty in writing it should have been said that it was a camera that moved stagnant water and was ahead of its time not saying a crappy.
Did you read the description or watch the video? "Jordan promised to shoot four DPReview TV episodes with the Pentax K-01 if we reached 300,000 YouTube subscribers by February 14th of this year. We reached our goal and Jordan held up his end of the bargain. Find out what he learned about shooting with this less-than-stellar camera."
I'd love to see a video with Chris doing the same reflection by using an old Canon 5D Mk I.
We're soooooo spoiled nowadays.
I bought a Fuji XT3 a year ago and rediscovered the pleasure of the manual "process". Having to adjust 3 dials the old fashion way plus composition made photography fun again to me.
I also purchased an old Konica FS1 camera (my first slr camera) to take pictures of my kids with film. And because the Konica has the LED panel in the viewfinder burned out I have to use the Sunny 16 rule to dial my settings.The process of manual photography has been a blast for me and arguable has improved my photography as well.
The K-01 is still one heck of a still camera, the video part is terrible (no HDMI out, 15' limit, bad DR, no video-specific QoL functions etc.).
For stills, it has really good IQ, construction is sturdy, it's better than a DSLR for manual focus (even better when using an LCD loupe)
The correct and intellectually honest version of the title should have been: "How shooting video on a nice camera which was never intended for serious video work made Jordan a better clickbaiter"
I'm not watching videos whose title has been chosen with the precise intention of inciting controversy, I was already debating whether to comment, but at least they don't make a dime from my comment.
I read your comment, then walked over to my K-01: Yup, there's the mini-HDMI port. In a world of cameras cursed with micro-HDMI, I thought that a blessing.
The real drawback is plugging a cable into that port auto-switches the camera into playback mode. So having an external monitor for/while shooting is a no-go.
I think Zvonimir has a point. For artsy films you need reflectors and stuff! And, for the reflectors looking natural, you need bad image quality! So, artsy films needs bad image quality! I do not think there is any way around that fact.
The external control of light in the environment (with reflectors etc), and the external audio recording in K-01 videos, more emphasis on framing and action, made them more cinematic (and involving) than the videos you usually produce using the latest modern video cameras. To me, it was like watching the 'Lawrence of Arabia' vs the latest Marvel Avengers movie.
To me, you don’t seem to have a clue, and are here just to defend Pentax.
Jordan can do much better without the K-01. The S1H allows him to work more efficiently and with less overhead. The fact that he can adapt and work around a video POS like the K-01 is a testament to Jordan’s abilities and craft, but he needs to make a living with his production, and that means spending less time worrying about technical shortcomings, and more time thinking of cool and interesting locations/dialogue/interactions.
The K-01 was weighing Jordan down. As educational as that experience was, he will (and does) output better work with a real, proper hybrid solution.
No one, Jordan or other, is saying the K-01 is gonna stay.. but his videos shot with that camera were, dare I say it, better thought out and more meticulously executed than with the modern gear. Jordan himself admits this. Pentax defense aside, his K-01 series was really good content. It didn't look much worse than the non-studio portion of that 12K thing.
Pentax defense not aside: if this were a same era Sony, there'd be a lot more crowing about how good it did given its age. Which, actually, it did.
@Kharan, you prove why is futile to write about cinematography on this site. According to you, films like Lawrence of Arabia couldn’t be made before gizmos of today.
Lawrence of Arabia was a big budget film that took almost a year to complete. Oh, and it was also filmed with all the latest ‘gizmos’ available in 1960, plus a veritable army of production assistants and a complete crew. Jordan needs to churn out a video per week at least, and he’s a one-man production unit. Horses for courses and all that.
BTW, the Sony cameras from that year, like the NEX-6 (that used the same 16MP imager), actually did produce remarkable output. That one even had decent AF during recording. Pentax were lagging behind in video even in 2012.
Enjoyed Lawrence of Arabia as much as I did with Avengers, far too different to be compared tbh, probably a better comparison is the first Avenger with Endgame. Anyway the camera is probably 1/10 of the production, I mean productions sometimes use 2 different cameras and swap lenses several times, heavy lifting probably falls down to lighting, location and story.
I have to admit I love the design of the white / black body. if it were metal and leather some known manufacture could have priced this insanely high and people would collect it.
It actually is metal (magnesium alloy) IIRC. I am just surprised how small it looks on the photos here. I agree that the concept had potential. Designwise only the "chimney" under the mode wheel is a little bit irritating, without that it is quite sleek.
Just recently, I rediscovered some old private video- recordings I had taken with an analogue but crappy Panasonic VHS- Camcorder back in the 1990s. A pretty slow zoom lens, atrocious low-light noise levels, bleached colors, and mono-sound.
But guess what: these videos were quite good and interesting nonetheless.
So yes, the tools are secondary to the originality, creativity and artistic values of video and still recordings.
Love the added perspective (and camera angles) on shooting video with a stills camera from back in the day. Totally surprised you don't use lights or modifiers that often, but then I guess "run and gun" is how you roll.
Now I'm off to look up your videos on audio... uh... you know what I mean.
K01 had the same sensor as NEX-5n and 6 had back in 2012. I took very nice pictures with these cameras and found them great. Nowadays we are a spoilt bunch.
And several Pentax APSC K mount lenses are excellent.
However, the K-01 lacks an EVF of any type, and it's not great for video, if you want to use AF. Of course, many Hollywood movies are shot manual focus.
I love the restrictions of old tech and the creativity it can breed. Whenever you decide which format you want to shoot on, the cons of the camera end up being the driving force in your image making.
Some of what is said in the video reminds me of Pentax photography as well, at least how I see it. Yes, you can get good or excellent results, but you may have to get more creative. And maybe for some situations that won’t work as well. But if you do photography at least in part for that process, then maybe it is a good option. If you do it more for the result, then maybe not.
Again, Pentaxians, this is how I see it. You don’t have to see it like this, but I do ask that you respect that this is my opinion.
I heard once that shooting with Pentax is kinda like using Linux on a home computer. Some things just don't work out of the box. It needs some tinkering, workarounds, trial and error etc. In the end, it either makes you horribly frustrated and go for Windows, or unleash your inner MacGyver and find your own, original solution, that gives the results you want.
Myself, I mostly shoot film these days, so I can see the appeal of this; however, I can also see why Pentax isn't a popular choice, to put it mildly.
And, starbase, you also have to respect me wondering what you are talking about. The K-01 is an oddball and Pentax has not concentrated on video, and AF is not on par with the best, other than that Pentax digital cameras are next to none. In several aspects even leading edge. No need with any tinkering to use them.
BTW - initial reviews of the new K-3 mk III hints at Pentax, at last, have done something about its lacking AF. That will be cool!
@ Roland Karlsson I do, but my experience with at least some Pentax users is they can’t accept my point of view so they point out what they see as errors I made in a video I made for testing the AF, for example. All the while not providing any videos of tests of their own. When I make the general statement that I lost money switching and I’m still happy I did, when I say I had a number of Pentax cameras and lenses, they seem to not believe me at my word. Still I have to accept - and I do - that somehow, they find, for example, Pentax AF to be better than Nikon’s. So that’s why I made that comment. If it doesn’t apply to you, you can ignore it as far as I’m concerned.
If I would find the K-3 III on the level of a Nikon D7500 or maybe even a D500, I think that’s great for Pentax. The way I see it, all the Pentax features where they have an edge then become the icing on the cake, since the cake itself will be sorted out.
It does not apply to me, thanks for explaining though. I know that Pentax AF is not up to par, if you need fast AF. It seems like Pentax have fixed that now though. In that case it also have to be moved to FF.
I think what really killed the K-01 was it turns out photographers/film makers are an incredibly conservative bunch style wise and few could get past how different it looks compared to any other DSLR class camera.
To me, and I have a K-01, the biggest drawback is no viewfinder of any kind. On a bright sunny day, the rear LCD is hard to see for much more than framing the shot.
Loved seeing the old f4 SMC K-mount, whatever mm it was. it's fine if you just tell everybody how terrible those lenses are (my collection is not complete yet). occasionally I look for a used Pentax DSLR just so I don't have to use an adapter when I shoot with them.
The K-01 could, of course, use those lenses at any aperture. Perfectly fine backward compatibility. It is just video that is crap with the K-01. It was only for video you could not stop down old lenses.
Uh? I'm pretty sure I shot video with it and used stopped-down vintage lenses. Did you by chance tried to shoot video in Av mode using a lens with physical aperture ring?
I don't think I've ever shot a video with my K-01... but necessity is the mother of invention. Pentax color, baby. I hope Jordan can test K3 III video and do a little compare/contrast with 2012.
Funnily the K-01 has the same sensor as the K-5. A sensor known for excellent dr for it's generation. It's probably the crappy video implementation, which was always an afterthought for Pentax. The best camera for video Pentax made is the K-5 (II) because those use the sensor based image stabilisation, instead of the software based. You do have to use an external sound recorder though. Don't know about the K3 III yet so maybe that will finally improve on the K-5.
It would be good if Pentax just made a successor to the K-01. A milc with EVF (and good AF on sensor) with the old trusted Pentax mount so it can use all the lenses in the Pentax system.
They won't but maybe we'll get a Ricoh mirrorless at some point with a K-Mount adapter. Right now I just want them to survive and am hoping the K3 III will do well.
I've been saying this for a while... they should adopt ML, but it seems they aren't interested.... which is fine, but that may limit their growth in the camera industry.
I agree. Nobody else has made a mirrorless which uses DSLR lens mount. It could give a better balanced camera. Instead of a tiny body with oversized lenses, you could have tiny lenses (like the 40mm pancake on the K-01). The next step would be to put half of the lens inside the camera where the space is liberated by the mirror. Like the design of the Mamiya 7 and to a lesser extent Leica M.
@ Mr Bolton - my suggestion is absolutely the opposite of what Canon did with the EOS M. Canon created an entirely new "orphan" mount for a small sensor mirrorless camera. That is much more like what Nikon did with Nikon 1. It is, however, very similar to what Canon did with EF-S Mount. They used the same mount but made the lenses smaller by extending them back into the space vacated by the mirror. In the case of EF-S there was still a smaller mirror there so the advantage was minimal.
The K-01 was based off the K-30 DSLR, which I owned for a few months before selling for a higher end K-5 II.
The K-30/K-01 was a decent body for the time for photos. But even if it had an EVF instead, the hardware was still rather dated. It was a mid level DSLR in 2012.
Video on Pentax was also just a checkbox inclusion. Nothing fancy. It had video recording and they could claim it. It is definitely more a photos oriented camera and system.
Another educational gem, though I still enjoy the original episode lip-syncing. If I was shooting a Spaghetti Western, the Pentax might be my goto-choice.
PS: In this remote-work Zoom era, maybe you could do a piece on how to look professional? Most zoomers I know don't have a clue about flattering focal lengths.
Informative, but too geeky for almost everybody I personally know. For them, the correct answer is a webcam at eye level, positioned further away to avoid wide angle distortion. Sound quality is secondary, though a lavalier mic might be helpful. I should have said "better", not "professional".
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